pedigree database

[pig mad]

wow i love it jack hope the boss doesnt find out i spent half a day putting peds on there hahahahaha that inbreeding ratio thing is good and the trial breeding is helpfull tells me my sorrells are right to breed i was bit worried they to close related..

[Officially Retired]

Glad you enjoy the features :mrgreen:

However, one thing to keep in mind is there is no such thing as "too closely-related" when breeding dogs ... there is only using the wrong individuals.

Cheers,

Jack

[Abe]

If all things equal and the right dogs chosen would you still inbreed again with 34% coi or maybe even a little higher.
I under stand selection is key here but just looking at numbers is that getting to tight in your mind?

[pig mad]

my male is 45% and female 29% both pure sorrell but take a test breeding 15 generations and they only 21% together would have thought they'd be through the roof inbred...

[Maxx Kennels]

If all things equal and the right dogs chosen would you still inbreed again with 34% coi or maybe even a little higher.
I under stand selection is key here but just looking at numbers is that getting to tight in your mind?

I've always agreed with Jack on this. If your individual selection is correct then there is no such thing as too tight. Case in point, this is a very strong bulldog.
His parents were very strong bulldogs. ( not just talking strenght )

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6812

[Officially Retired]

Good points.

This dog is fairly inbred: Gr Ch Happy Jack (5xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=1338) @ 28% ... but his son Gr Ch Sir Dog (7xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=9927) is severely inbred @ 63% ... all calculated at 10-generations.

So like I said, if you're losing ability in your inbreedings, don't blame the technique, blame your selection :)

Jack

[Maxx Kennels]

Man!! I wouldn't mind getting something line bred down from that Sir dog

[OGDOGG]

I would say the same about PayCheck

[Maxx Kennels]

Thanks OG. We do have some really nice stuff off of him. ( nothing for sale)

[FarmersChoice]

i also enjoy the database spent countless hours and have almost all my mutts in hats off i guess ill adda lil 2cents here to the convo there is no right way or wrong way to breed if u strongly feel u have the master plan then fine by me but i think we will all breed what we like via standards looks abilty health stamina mouth gamness w/e it may be.I personally have took some the main blood i been working here for years and made different crosses with and line bred it in the family meaning for example aunt to nephew doubling up on a cross with great individuals with in a family has worked nice for me and im happy with that i have as of late trying to create a great line of my own threw the dogs i have owned in the last 15 years i dont care how they were bred really as long as there good dogs and i have been happy thus far and feel blessed to have had the honor to own the ones i have

[Officially Retired]

If you want consistency, there is only one way to breed: family breeding. If you want to play hit-n-miss guessing games, then make random crosses and mixes ... as ALL major breeders are/were family breeders.
It is the only way to fixate traits.

BTW, here are some more "pretty famous" dogs that were highly-inbred (all calculated @ 10 generations):

Gr Ch Zebo (7xW) ROM (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=515) - 52%

Gr Ch Buck (7xW) ROM (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=346) - 38%

Gr Ch Gizmo (7xW) ROM (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=1839) - 41%

:mrgreen:

Jack

[FarmersChoice]

zebo was inbred a a three way cross so was buck and gizmo now granted there were tight bred on some dogs but that is exactly what i was trying to say but honestly there is till no way to say one has the master plan on breeding otherwise be no need to get it any were else certain crosses threw history have made great dogs as well that were not inbred at all comes down to what u feel will bring forth the best in your breedings you cant tell the next man how to breed what he feeds and spend countless time on in the end your gonna breed the way u want too with what u have or can get your hands now maybe im just humble but im not gonna say there is only one way to breed cause thats just not right either imo

[Officially Retired]

Note: I did not say there is only one way to breed ... I said there is only one way to get consistency in breeding ... there is a major difference in meaning :idea:

[Officially Retired]

And BTW, Zebo was a father/granddaughter inbreeding off of a very inter-related background ;)

[Officially Retired]

I just added this dog to the databse, Outback Kennels' Gr Ch Junior (6xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=9955), a 39% inbred dog.

His pedigree is an interesting study of Champions & Grand Champions in the 4th Generations ... who become losers and unmatched dogs in the 2nd & 3rd Generations ... who are then interbred to once again produce a 6xW Grand Champion.

This goes to show that, if you're confident in your line, you don't need to panic if you don't have Champions & Gr Champions in every generation ... no one does. All you have to do is keep re-shuffling the deck and, if you make the right choices and hang onto the right traits, you will once again have complete dogs.

Jack

PS: BTW, Gr Ch Junior's ancestor, Gr Ch Chuck (6xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=8257), was a heavy brother/sister-bred dog @ 50% :)