View Full Version : forfeit and wager
pig mad
10-29-2012, 02:11 PM
I understand why the forfeit is needed after i put the hard work in and drove 1000km to see another novice to have him not even drop in to say hello but dont really understand the need for a purse as i feel that will put $ in front of the dogs well being. Whats peoples thoughts on the subject? Id love to go against the best straight up but most wont see you unless theres money on the table i hate gambling and not that confident but dont want to be stuck with the cat fish cause i dont have dollars to give away...
FarmersChoice
10-29-2012, 02:33 PM
just part the game always has always will be some good guys dont care about big money matches though but this also comes to were we dont wanna come too hunt and not win a prize
some hide behind the money
is say the forfeit is enough. 500-1000
CRISIS
10-29-2012, 03:20 PM
to make sure the other party aint bullshittin! and another reason, gambling is the reason these dogs were created in the first place!
pig mad
10-29-2012, 03:35 PM
Yeah well example most serious people are south so say i got 8000km round trip thats near $3000 in fuel plus the time and money spent getting ready say $4000 or $5000 just to show up and being a novice i dont expect to win but will give it my all just know i dont have the knowledge of experianced people so to bet say $1000 is to much i've already waisted a wedge just to make it there don't mind a forfeit of $1000 plus cause i know i will get there and learnt that is needed to weed out the shit talkers been bit already.. I thought it was about the dogs i know thats what gotten me interested if i wanted to gamble could go put my money in the poker machines...
evolutionkennels
10-29-2012, 03:39 PM
Pig mad. Some ashpoles will come overweight every time. Willing to pay 500.00 for a 2 pound weight advantage. Then they embarass you into doing it and whip your a$$ because you pushed two pounds. Flock that. If you are going to make me work 8 weeks, 5 k forfeit. We can match for 500.00, but you're not going to waste my flocking time.
pig mad
10-29-2012, 03:42 PM
Id agree to 5k forfeit all day i understand it is needed but even a 500 bet is to much i feel sick in the gut if i loose $5 out my pocket hahahaha
waccamaw
10-29-2012, 05:29 PM
you hit the nail on the head , EVO
waccamaw
10-29-2012, 05:36 PM
Do like i told you you will be fine .PIG MAD
pig mad
10-29-2012, 05:55 PM
I will and i really appreciate the advice...
skootermc
10-29-2012, 05:55 PM
what u tell him??
waccamaw
10-29-2012, 06:15 PM
some tips on hog hunting ,and some priv things .
CRISIS
10-29-2012, 06:30 PM
you just said it pig mad....it costs to put a dog through keep.
it costs to travel........
it costs for aftercare.........
so when your already looking at a couple to several thousand just to hunt the dog, both parties want to make it worth theyre while.......thats why its not that unusual to see stakes go as hight as $50k...
pig mad
10-29-2012, 07:03 PM
Thats half a years wage mate thats crazy shit..
CRISIS
10-29-2012, 07:44 PM
lol theres big boys that play with big money! lol, you think them russian folks are traveling to mexico to internatonal conventons for $500? lol
pig mad
11-02-2012, 11:15 PM
obviously not but fuck thats a lot of $ id do it for bragging rights..
CRISIS
11-02-2012, 11:55 PM
braggin gets u nowhere fast, it should be about going into the best comp. in the world in order to better your stock!
pig mad
11-03-2012, 12:50 AM
I'll never leave this country and of course bragging gets you no where maybe i worded that wrong id just be happy to win but fuck betting $50k on a dog thats just stupid
skipper
11-03-2012, 01:03 AM
Unless money is not an issue.
pig mad
11-03-2012, 01:14 AM
well it is for me
skipper
11-03-2012, 02:08 AM
It is for most of us.
With a small bet and a small forfeit there are tons of people that will come in over and pay the forfeit. On the flip side of that here are tons of people who 'just want to get there dog done', get caught up in the hype of the night and then decide to do it anyway. Without actual data odds would say the heavy dog wins so one would lose the money and at times the dog. It is a bad idea all the way around but it happens.
I have no problem collecting on a forfeit but it is a letdown after all the work getting ready. What pisses me off is when the other camp knows they are paying the forfeit weeks out but hold out to the last minute hoping the other guy pays up first. It is a bullshit cat and mouse game. Years ago in my first get together I had a really nice male. A cat from the mountains of NC saw him go and was really impressed. It was a four card deal with guys from all over. I unload my male and just so happens he is friends with the guys we are playing with that night. He tells them they do not have a chance and they pay the forfeit after the weigh in. I was fighting mad but I learned quickly the money carries the weight in the game regardless of how it should be the other way around. EWO
In the past I had no problem taking their money twice. Once after the weigh in, and again after the show. Most often, the heavy dog is not 100% on at the heavier weight, rather the other party let's the weight get away from them that last week as they back the work down and can't get it off on show day no matter how much walking they do. You better believe that if I spent 8 weeks in a keep up to 6 hours per day that I was not going home after taking the forfeit.
pig mad
11-19-2012, 10:40 AM
So if you came in on weight and the oponent came in 4 over you took th forfeit and went ahead eith it and lost are you going to take the loss on tje chin or bitch about it and blame the weight?
waccamaw
11-19-2012, 02:23 PM
U better. Take the money and tell them next wk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Covered this in another thread about coming in on weight. If the dog is 1 pound over at the beginning he will be more than 1 pound heavier than you at the hour mark, maybe even more. The odds say you will lose more than you win. But to each his own. EWO
In the past I had no problem taking their money twice. Once after the weigh in, and again after the show. Most often, the heavy dog is not 100% on at the heavier weight, rather the other party let's the weight get away from them that last week as they back the work down and can't get it off on show day no matter how much walking they do. You better believe that if I spent 8 weeks in a keep up to 6 hours per day that I was not going home after taking the forfeit.