PONCHO DOGS IN EUROPE

[Rainman]

Would like to know is there lot of this stuff in Europe. In France and Italy there is something but not "pure" as far as I know (and one out of Silverback is in Spain ;) ). Here are some we're feeding:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=283520 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=283520)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=295959 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=295959)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=132229 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=132229)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=283040 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=283040)

Btw, Ch Diesel is getting old and we're gonna do atleast two breedings with him. [Edit] Go to the "Stud Dog" forum to see this fine Poncho/Mayday Champion.

Located up north.

[Officially Retired]

Would like to know is there lot of this stuff in Europe. In France and Italy there is something but not "pure" as far as I know (and one out of Silverback is in Spain ;) ). Here are some we're feeding:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=283520 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=283520)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=295959 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=295959)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=132229 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=132229)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=283040 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=283040)
Located up north.

Wow, those are some nice-bred dogs, and you guys across the pond ALWAYS keep your dogs in fantastic shape, so hats off to you for that!

I took the ad for your Diesel dog down, because there are no advertisements on this forum, but you are more than welcome to place a direct ad for him in the "Stud Dog" forum ... as he is YET ANOTHER great Champion dog off of the Poncho/Mayday breeding combination :mrgreen:

Jack

PS: Scratcher looks great for her age 8-)


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[Ipk]

Jack didn't whitehead and roja go to italy or am I thinking wrong?

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=99766

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=2402

Did anything ever get bred off of roja? And was there more than just paco off of whitehead? And do you know what kind of a dog paco ended up?

[Officially Retired]

Yes, they did, back in 1996, but I have long since lost track of them :cry:

3 years ago, a Silverback/Sassy male, Grape Ape (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=303578), went to Italy also ... to different owners ... as did a son of Rocko named Fiddlefoot (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=272865).

Unfortunately, Grape Ape died, but last I heard they really liked Fiddlefoot.

Jack


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[Ipk]

Yes, they did, back in 1996, but I have long since lost track of them

always wanted a dog off whitehead and roja. Would have complimented my chase, chita, hornet, and zipper blended dogs real nice i think.

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Bum deal on grape ape....

maybe will see some nice fiddlefoot dogs across the pond I'm the distant future.

[Ipk]

Yes, they did, back in 1996, but I have long since lost track of them

always wanted a dog off whitehead and roja. Would have complimented my chase, chita, hornet, and zipper blended dogs real nice i think.

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Bum deal on grape ape....

maybe will see some nice fiddlefoot dogs across the pond in the distant future.

[Ipk]

Didn't the same cats own vise grips predator (1xW). If I remember right they were breeding the whitehead stuff (1xW) into the predator stuff. (wouldn't have minded one of them!)

[Officially Retired]

Didn't the same cats own vise grips predator (1xW). If I remember right they were breeding the whitehead stuff (1xW) into the predator stuff. (wouldn't have minded one of them!)

Yes, but the same blood is right here in the good old USA 8-)

Whitehead and Roja were also brothers of Hornet, and Predator was just a brother of Thunder/Screamer. In fact, Hornet to a daughter of Thunder is what produced Ch Mr. Serious ROM (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=77496), so we already know it works, because it is already working :mrgreen:

Matter of fact, Rainman's dog Ch Diesel (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=283040) was sired by Mr. Serious' brother Boots ;)

The blood seems to work wherever it gets off the plane, doesn't it? 8-)

Jack


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[Rainman]

Wow, those are some nice-bred dogs, and you guys across the pond ALWAYS keep your dogs in fantastic shape, so hats off to you for that!

I took the ad for your Diesel dog down, because there are no advertisements on this forum, but you are more than welcome to place a direct ad for him in the "Stud Dog" forum ... as he is YET ANOTHER great Champion dog off of the Poncho/Mayday breeding combination :mrgreen:

Jack

PS: Scratcher looks great for her age 8-)


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Thanks Jack.

I put Diesel up there waiting to get laid. 8-)

All hounds have been ready for winter for a while, but winter is more than late, only water and damn storms.

Scratcher might have some kind of cancer.. She got something in her stomach and one nipple looks just same like her mama Sassy had. It's sad to know that dogs in her ped has died because of cancer. She will be taken to a vet to find out what that is.
Anyway, we've planned to breed her to Diesel. I'm crossing my fingers that she will be with us many years. She is really nice even as a housedog. Never brake anything. Just happy easy girl. And produced good when bred right!

Looking forward to get something soon from overseas ;)

[Ipk]

The blood seems to work wherever it gets off the plane, doesn't it?

Yes it does, it was truely a great litter and a great producing litter.

[Officially Retired]

Thanks Jack.
I put Diesel up there waiting to get laid. 8-)
All hounds have been ready for winter for a while, but winter is more than late, only water and damn storms.
Scratcher might have some kind of cancer.. She got something in her stomach and one nipple looks just same like her mama Sassy had. It's sad to know that dogs in her ped has died because of cancer. She will be taken to a vet to find out what that is.
Anyway, we've planned to breed her to Diesel. I'm crossing my fingers that she will be with us many years. She is really nice even as a housedog. Never brake anything. Just happy easy girl. And produced good when bred right!
Looking forward to get something soon from overseas ;)

That is how they all end up, my friend, dead of cancer.

You guys take the best possible care of your dogs, this is clear as day, but they all gotta go sometime :cry:

I know that, whatever happens, you guys did your best and that you gave her a great life ... and hopefully, you will have at least a few good dogs down from her to keep the ball rolling 8-)

Best of luck to you in that regard and for a prosperous New Year!

Jack


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[Ipk]

That is how they all end up, my friend, dead of cancer.
(this is probably a topic unto its own)
Do you know if any of the poncho crosses seem to be free of the cancer that haunts them?

[Officially Retired]

That is how they all end up, my friend, dead of cancer.
(this is probably a topic unto its own)
Do you know if any of the poncho crosses seem to be free of the cancer that haunts them?

Cancer is the #1 cause of death in all dogs, of all breeds, not just Poncho dogs, so developing "dogs that don't get cancer" will be a pretty tough road to hoe.

Poncho dogs just happen to get cancer earlier than some other strains, IF you feed them lousy food, but this "early cancer" trait didn't start with Poncho. The fact is, Poncho out-lived the Hollingsworth dogs that he came from. While Poncho may have been dead at 9, the fact is his mother Hollingsworth's Miss Trinx died at 5. Her mother, Patrick's Lady In Red, was dead at 7. Patrick's Little Tater, who sired Lady In Red, was dead at 3. So I would hardly call this a "Poncho dogs" trait, seeing as he out-lived 3-generations of his ancestors. I would say this trait is coming from Little Tater, since he died of cancer quicker than any dog before (or after him).

The other fact is, I have already figured out WHY these dogs are getting cancer so early, and I have already revealed the secret of avoiding this: Feeding the raw diet I recommend is the best way to avoid ANY dog getting it early. Although she didn't get fed raw for most of her life, Missy did get fed raw at the very end and lived to be 12. Sassy lived to 12 ... Tuffy lived to 12 ... Phoenix lived to 13 ... etc.

Therefore, the people who get these dogs will either listen to what I have to say, and follow it, or they will not ... and suffer the consequences of not listening to those who know better.

Jack

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[Ipk]

Wasn't trying to imply the question as a poncho tait. I just meant poncho himself was haunted by this gene due to the fact of some of the ancestors like little tater, which developed the cancer early in life. I was just curious whether or not if you had noticed even the smallest difference in any of the crosses done with poncho that tended to be more resistant to the cancer, which does indeed haunt the whole world of canines and many other pure bred animals.

(and I did not know phoenix made it to 13!!!) (I do feed mine good and hope they all make it that long... )

[reservoirdogs]

I heard nothing but good things about Diesel. I'd like to breed to him myself. Fiddlefoot is still in great shape and very well taken care of by his owner. The youngsters off of him crossed to Slim Shady stuff are very promising. He brought a lot of bones, athelticism in them dogs. I will post pics later. Here are a couple of other ones that we are feeding : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=303906 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=303906) and http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=334386 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=334386). Pure talent for Cappuccina as she always made it look pretty easy. Insane bottom end for Dashy. Pups should born in a couple of days off of him and a double daughter of Ch Slim Shady. Rainman u know both of them and u know u can get anything available anytime. You'd be good hands for them.
Thanks Jack for the article about Ouch. It was priceless to get a deeper knowledge about this gene pool. May this board stay respectfull and full of knowledge and good manners.

[reservoirdogs]

I forgot to add her on the small list http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=310762 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=310762)
She made ch overhere in the old world. She has never been able to drop any pups. What a shame but she wasn't healthy by anyone standards. On another hand Poncho/ Ouch / Coca Cola PROVEN and WORKING blood crosses amazingly with almost everything. Kept linebred or used as an outcross it is to our humble experience a first class source of competitive gene pool.

[reservoirdogs]

One of these pups : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=381510 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=381510)
Just felt to share because that smart and proud lil'fella reminds me ol' poncho/ponchoback. Hope he turns out the way they did. The quality of the pic sucks lol especially for the board of an almost professionnal photographer. These smart phones can't make the job properly lol

[Rainman]

Hey thanks for your kind words RD! Good looking young dog you got there! He surely looks like serious Poncho -dog!

Edit: Are you gonna put Dashy x Cappucina together some day?

[Officially Retired]

I heard nothing but good things about Diesel. I'd like to breed to him myself. Fiddlefoot is still in great shape and very well taken care of by his owner. The youngsters off of him crossed to Slim Shady stuff are very promising. He brought a lot of bones, athelticism in them dogs. I will post pics later. Here are a couple of other ones that we are feeding : http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=303906 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=303906) and http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=334386 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=334386). Pure talent for Cappuccina as she always made it look pretty easy. Insane bottom end for Dashy. Pups should born in a couple of days off of him and a double daughter of Ch Slim Shady. Rainman u know both of them and u know u can get anything available anytime. You'd be good hands for them.
Thanks Jack for the article about Ouch. It was priceless to get a deeper knowledge about this gene pool. May this board stay respectfull and full of knowledge and good manners.

Thank you very much for letting me know about Fiddlefoot (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=272865) ... I was just talking about his sister Angelina and his brother Rocky Spike (who is hooked now) in the Spikey thread :D

Very nice-bred dogs you displayed, thank you for doing so as well, and I am glad you liked the information on Ouch!

I will try to add more "bulldog history" as time permits; right now I am working on a blog post on coccidia that I will cross-post here.

As for your thoughtful final comments, this forum will remain a nice place to visit for all ... and slowly-but-surely it will develop into an awesome overall resource :mrgreen:

Cheers,

Jack

[Palooka]

a Fiddlefoot daughter that i'm delighted to have in my kennels at the moment

http://i63.tinypic.com/zu5b3q.jpg

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=54799

[Lasse]

Nice bred dog!:) But why did you change from 2x to zero wins? Also what did you do with the (second and third) photo(s)? Looks kind of funny to me like the dog is not real, like photomontage. Reminds me of the model railways lol. I'm sorry I can't help it.

Her dam Honeymoon is from Cyberdogs Kennels, Italy, right?

Lasse

[FrostyPaws]

I think that's right Lasse...She's in Serbia now I believe.

[Palooka]

thanks, Lasse photos taken on new phone, as yet ive no idea why its doing that but i kind of like the effect myself.

[Lasse]

Thanks for the info, FrostyPaws. And Palooka that's all that matters that you like it.

[Rainman]

a Fiddlefoot daughter that i'm delighted to have in my kennels at the moment

http://i63.tinypic.com/zu5b3q.jpg

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=54799


Nice one you got there Palooka! Is that Fiddlefoot-dog in your country??

[Palooka]

i dont think so Rainman, not as far as i know anyhow. i would definitely make room for him though :)

[Rainman]

You got 'Mean Pete' somewhere nearby!

[Palooka]

yeah, i have considered him, i have a few options with her but i'm in no rush.

[bulldoghistorian]

I think fiddlefoot is dead , unfortunately right now there is way to check

I am not a breeder but looking at that pedigree all of a sudden I thought about these bells baby jones dogs that came here like 20 years ago
ch black girl , ch sassy , I have access to sperm of this dog called hot boy http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=146229

[Palooka]

tasty

[Lasse]

From looking at the pedigrees I think Mean Pete would go well with your Ruby bitch, Palooka.

Bulldoghistorian, I really like how that dog is bred. Especially that Bell's Baby Jones dog. Do you already know what you are going to do with his semen? Any planned breeding(s)?

[bulldoghistorian]

From looking at the pedigrees I think Mean Pete would go well with your Ruby bitch, Palooka.

Bulldoghistorian, I really like how that dog is bred. Especially that Bell's Baby Jones dog. Do you already know what you are going to do with his semen? Any planned breeding(s)?

I breed once every two years and I just bred a litter , I have no idea yet what I will do next time

[Palooka]

just thought i would share a better pic of Ruby from today

http://i63.tinypic.com/2wpt83m.jpg