Cottens Bullet blood how much is around in 2013 ?

[realpitsnobull]

What's up dog men and women was thinking bout how much Cottens Bullet blood is around can not seem to find any , and thinking hard about getting one to cross with this http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=16143 any info will help thanks! :D

[EWO]

If you are going to breed into that pedigree you should breed toward the bottom dogs. The bottom side is two families of proven dogs over time. Edawrds Stoney was a cold dog who never produced anything. Mr. Edwards called to where he had farmed him out and asked for him to be put down as he was bred to quality bitch after quality bitch and produced nothing. They were freak mouth dogs but there was no need to pack lunch. One was not going to be away from home long. In a perfect world your dog is working and scratching from the bottom and biting from the top. Far more good dogs in the bottom than the top. Best of luck. EWO

[realpitsnobull]

If you are going to breed into that pedigree you should breed toward the bottom dogs. The bottom side is two families of proven dogs over time. Edawrds Stoney was a cold dog who never produced anything. Mr. Edwards called to where he had farmed him out and asked for him to be put down as he was bred to quality bitch after quality bitch and produced nothing. They were freak mouth dogs but there was no need to pack lunch. One was not going to be away from home long. In a perfect world your dog is working and scratching from the bottom and biting from the top. Far more good dogs in the bottom than the top. Best of luck. EWO

Thanks for the info EWO you are right the top is heavy mouth and game the bottom is working and scratching this is a grunt type breeding http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=195560 with a lot more if u ask me!! I will breed both ways becuase a pedigree can and will fool you! And yes i have read and heard all the Edward Stoney tales http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=13028 who was a well bred dog told the the same way and even if its true and it may be, my dogs name is KING and he is a very solid dog and is proven trust me!! He is 10 now and has had many pups no complaints unless they could not handle that type of dog if you know what i mean? He has great looking high strung dogs with mouth for days and the pups i got now have been hot since bout 3 months no joke here is a bit of proof my you tube http://www.youtube.com/user/1vancewilliams and photo gallery http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=18048 Of course cld show more but will not. He has a lot more in him than Stoney 25% is Browns/Dawnrest blood http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=156028 and the other 75% is line bred Bullet cross with the inbred SNOOTY/MOLLY BEE and RUFUS/COPY GIRL blood 2X bred Woods RED BOY http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=157980 all very proven lines!! The bottem is 100% WOODS bred dog with WOODS COCA http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=157982 and i am sure MR. WOODS or WILDERS (REAL DOG MEN) wld not be breeding those dogs if the blood was cold. I think you wld argee that they are real dog men but thanks for the good luck man! But i will breed to both sides to see for myself not hear say to see where the fire is coming from to know for sure!

[Limey Kennels]

We have some old Cotton bulid blood back in some of our dogs true Sorrels Red Jerry and grenshaw s stu Fowler . it was bred in bij a german guy way back in the eurly 80,s of the previus century. into some very very inbred alligator x rufus x heinzl blood of the day tru Dragons Famely Ringo.. very contende with that shot of that blood as it was a great catalist in that very imbred ring blood..

[skipper]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=13461 I feed this one.

[realpitsnobull]

We have some old Cotton bulid blood back in some of our dogs true Sorrels Red Jerry and grenshaw s stu Fowler . it was bred in bij a german guy way back in the eurly 80,s of the previus century. into some very very inbred alligator x rufus x heinzl blood of the day tru Dragons Famely Ringo.. very contende with that shot of that blood as it was a great catalist in that very imbred ring blood..
Nice any pups from that blood left and if so cld I see the ped may want to work something out if Possible

[realpitsnobull]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=13461 I feed this one.

Very nice skipper very nice

[realpitsnobull]

Good to see there is a bit of the blood still around i am ready to add a different strain if i can get a good deal my old g told me it was but the peps that got it try to keep it for themselves and I don't blame them haha

[Ez Country]

A couple i have with a little bullet blood in there, I think it is to far back to call it that though

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=354439,


http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=408569

[realpitsnobull]

A couple i have with a little bullet blood in there, I think it is to far back to call it that though

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=354439,


http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=408569

You right EZ but they still look like good well bred dogs to me love the emmitt and sorrells blood hear a lot bout the stp and yellow john good luck with them

[Limey Kennels]

Nice any pups from that blood left and if so cld I see the ped may want to work something out if Possible
this is the blood where the zGoelds dosg where bred into chek fouryth gen dogs for it http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=84478
some of the peds have gabs in them where it sais unknown but its al the same blood. the guy who puit these peds up just didnt know.. these dogs where imported way back in the mid 80,s of the previus century

[thefoodchain]

What going on realpitsnobull, the way that pup is bred you might be in my area. I have a young man that me and my people are bringing up he has a 19month old female that we are looking foward to good things to come. He purchased this gyp from P. Poland's yard directly. Also have a great buddy in another county who's a living breathing "google" of this blood and bulldogs. If you want I can find out somethings on the line and pass it on and maybe put you in contact with this people of knowledge,

[DryCreek]

Can someone post the pedigree of The Bellon Club's Burks ROM

He is a very good example of The Club's work that was coming down from reputable Men in the game. Thanks

[realpitsnobull]

this is the blood where the zGoelds dosg where bred into chek fouryth gen dogs for it http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=84478
some of the peds have gabs in them where it sais unknown but its al the same blood. the guy who puit these peds up just didnt know.. these dogs where imported way back in the mid 80,s of the previus century

Old imported blood nice , don't know the dogs but looks well breed , good to see old rare blood still around

[realpitsnobull]

What going on realpitsnobull, the way that pup is bred you might be in my area. I have a young man that me and my people are bringing up he has a 19month old female that we are looking foward to good things to come. He purchased this gyp from P. Poland's yard directly. Also have a great buddy in another county who's a living breathing "google" of this blood and bulldogs. If you want I can find out somethings on the line and pass it on and maybe put you in contact with this people of knowledge,

What up man yep NC dog and Poland is bout and hour from me just curious on how much bullet blood is around my peps suppose to still hv this blood http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=380322 that I like so we will see!

[EWO]

Best of luck with the dogs. I believe in time, on that particular breeding with that particular strain of bullet (stoney thru jump around) you will find your successes from the bottom side. The Grunt dog is suspect at best. He had a ton of mouth but showed bad signs in #2. And wins 4-5 and 6 more than likely never happened. If it had went ten more minutes he would have packed it in. He was moved from a top notch camp because of that. If that was a line I was looking at I would try to find stuff out of his sister Sabotage. She had more bulldog in the tip of her tail than Grunt did in his entire body. Grunt was sold for $$$ to a straight peddler. Any breeding off him from there is suspect. His breeding to Kay Kay is fake. Kay Kay died at 6 months but her papers lived on. Kay Kay had pups out of Grunt and Thug (Mugger Man) that were two weeks apart. One can do the math from there. Grunt bred to his daughter had dogs that looked like Mayday spit them out. He went to the home of a true peddler and one would have to start with a good dog and go from there with no background to make decisions upon. For me, and everyone knows about opinions, I am simply amazed the Minnie bitch carried that Jump Around shit as far as she did. She turned shit to silver and she should be recognized as one of the best all time producing bitches for that litter alone.
But like I said, if you are getting good results with those dogs then keep rolling and best of luck. I just think in time you will find better success with the bottom side than the top. Good luck. EWO

[EWO]

I should be a little more specific. I should say the Cotton Bullet blood thru Stoney to Jump Around not the Cotton Bullet blood as a whole. One dog or even one strain can't be indicative of an entire line. EWO

[realpitsnobull]

Okay ewo u seem to have good info but lack respect for Poland keep your name calling to yourself jump around blood is not shit and I can show u better than i can tell u trust!!! Why do up keep tlking bout 25% of my dogs ped I can't understand u seem to know so much break down the other 75% that dog is bout 40% woods redboy and 25% long legged Sally http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=394861 but all u keep tlking about is jump around what up with that!! The out cross on the buttom u like so much has inbred jump around http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=407548 did u see that?

[realpitsnobull]

And thanks for the good luck but the top been producing the dam I used just only had 3-5 pups not a lot to work with but good dogs!! http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=415703 now the average person says that ped not all lit up but all real dog men knows the dog makes the ped the games not played on paper. There has been manys dogs ran out the box with lit of peds bye a best to best bred non lit up peds dogs and we all know it!!! So your opinion are fine cause opinion are like butt hole every has one but I am sure u don't want anyone calling blood in your ped shit so have some respect guy!!

[realpitsnobull]

But to make all y'all grunt haters happy it a sabotage type breeding http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=75597 with a lot more if u ask me! There!!

[EWO]

My apologies if you were offended. It was not meant in that manner. You posted a pedigree, you asked about a certain faction of that pedigree and then at the end of the post you said any info will help. I went with that. No harm intended. The Stoney dog was up here and Mr. Edwards made the call. He was bred to the best bitches going and produced nothing. The bitches had produced and continued to produce with other dogs. As I said, I am amazed Minnie carried that as far as she did with Sabotage and even Grunt, although Grunt was on a downward spiral until he was sold. As far as the bottom side I was referring to the Boyles/Mims crossed dogs in the bottom. Both of those families have stood the test of time. They have performed and produced not only with their creators but others as well. The Cotton Bullet line has made its mark as well just not that particular strain. This is based on personal knowledge, not what I was told or what I read on another board.
I apologize if you were offended by the Jump Around/Stoney references. But when you post a pedigree and say any info will help you should accept what you get, factor it in and go from there, both the good and the bad. As I said, my apologies if you were offended by information you asked for in the original post. Best of luck to you and your dogs. EWO

[realpitsnobull]

Thanks Ewo and u right u seem to know your stuff keep it coming but when u called it shit that was a bit much that's all it all good!! Just wonder way u did not tlk bout the other 75% in king ped that's all man we good thanks!! Your opinion is always welcome !!! Only been dealing with this breed bout 10 years so I don't know it all man.

[EWO]

You asked about breeding the Cotton Bullet stuff back into this pedigree. I did not speak about the other lines involved other than the Emmit and Mims blood. If you go back in the pedigree a ways you will see Pernells Red Baron. One of the gamest dogs anyone would ever see. His owner, TP, heard numerous times, "Why don't you pick him up now?". This dog may have originated the term skull drug but he kept coming time and time again. That too was a family of low percentage dogs but when one worked out you could ride up and down the road with anyone. The Hargrove stuff way back is as nice as any. But it is way back. The dogs/families I mentioned have a much more firm base over time. The Stoney dogs did not. Is it possible for you to get a good Stoney influenced dog after a few generations of nothing, absolutely. Do I think the odds are in one's favor to keep breeding that particular strain of Bullet blood straight or even back into an existing dog? I just don't think it will work over time. I brought up Sabotage because she was a bulldog in a bulldog camp. her pedigree had a plan. Work and scratch from the bottom and bite from the top. It worked. The Grunt dog took more form the topside thus he moved from camp to camp til he ended up with a peddler.
Like I said it was no insult intended. I believe if you are going to breed that particular dog to a line already there it should be to the dogs who have stood the test of time on multiple yards. Odds are you will get hard mouthed dogs that will work all night which is a tough combination to beat. EWO

[realpitsnobull]

Good info like I sd u know your stuff I know bout Red Baron but the ped not lit up so most will not unless they dogmen and devil dog dau of Rufus/Copy girl has produced http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=75597 and don't forget the Dawnrest/browns cross! Now you keep saying way back I don't consider 4th and 5th gen way back when inbred or line bred. Woods redboy is Red Baron and devil dawgs grand son and king is bout 40% him. And you can't forget the line bred Snooty or Molly bee blood maybe the best dog to ever to live line bred all though the bottom! Even the out cross Zelda-Roo http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=106849 has some good old blood

[realpitsnobull]

To me after 6 gen that cld be way bck if want to go with just 4 gen fine but don't u hv to see where the blood comes from in the 4th gen? when u line bred or inbred the blood comes up! Or is suppose too. Haha and the bottom is very tight bringing the red dog blood up http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=1584 king is 75% line bred red dog type blood. And Stoney's parents blood has proven well! King is not Stoney just using his blood from him and his parents. Now my ? To u EWO is why would real dog men like Woods/Wilders (better than most wld ever be) be crossing and inbreeding that blood if it was not working for them?? I for one don't think they wld waste ther time and name like that for no reason do u?

[EWO]

One of the things I truly believe but do not feel comfortable talking about because it can get disrespectful in a hurry. Odds are Mr. Edwards took Molly Bee's true breeding to the grave with him. There are a few different versions of her pedigree that depending on who you are talking to is carved in stone to each of them. The Woods and Wilders as well as many others were in competition with each other as well as everyone else. I say this with the utmost of respect, a lot of dogs back then in that era/area are not as they are represented. This is why it is nearly impossible to make breedings today based on what papers say from yesterday. All it takes is one dog to be misrepresented and the variables, which are vast anyway, start multiplying exponentially.
If you and I were in direct as well as indirect competition and I was doing A-B-C and winning consistently and producing consistently I may show you A-B-C as B-C-D. Without that third of the puzzle you may beat me but you will not do it with with the same pieces of the puzzle I am working with. And the second generation with that missing third piece you are out in left field for quite some time. Now I am not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that, I just believe when winning is the ultimate goal laying a false trail is an easy way to get out ahead. A reputation as a winner carries far more weight to me than maybe someone didn't want everyone to know the secret recipe. It was a part of the game. And as far as Woods and Wilder, as well as others, as long as you called them a winner I doubt they really cared what one called them after "winner". EWO

[EWO]

Not to start one of those "best quotes" threads but here is one of my favorites. This was told to me by a guy who did dogs before I was born. He said the only way to tell how a dog is really bred is after he wins three or four or five and then produces three or four good ones. After that there is always "somebody" who knows how he or she is really bred. It is part of the game. EWO

[realpitsnobull]

I see what u mean and your opinion is fine all I can go on is my BFKC/ADBA papers in hand man and I am sure you cld and do say that about a lot of papers but my dogs and pups are fine dogs the papers do them no justice to say the least and I will breed them both ways and time will tell which blood is carring who and we will know in a few. But as long and both are good how can u complain u know

[EWO]

Without a doubt. The truest test is always time. Regardless which way you go, or which way I think you should go, the only real test is time. Best of luck with you, the dogs and your decisions. Time will tell. EWO

[realpitsnobull]

Thanks man

[CYJ]

The last older dog breeder of my era. That had some of the last Bullet bred line from Lopassay. Was F.Jacobs and his friend Carter. Believe this Bullet line was bred into their Assasin I/II/III family of dogs.

A good friend of mine A. Howle had one of the last heavy bred Bullet Stud dogs that came from Mr. Shivar. The dog's name was Sambo. Sambo was a very nice looking well built Black dog. His former owner was McDougal from Florida. Think Sambo was a Champion dog as well. This dog was up in age.

A.Howle bought Sambo in hopes of breeding him to his Howel's (Martin's Lady) and his Howel's Buckshot dog to his Lady bitch. He wanted to blend the two lines off Lady. Howle had no luck with Sambo but did get some pups off Buckshot. Buck Shot was a sibling brother to Watkin's OX dog.

Ozzie Stevenson had some Bullet breeding in his line of dogs way back. W. Cable and some other N.C, dog men did also. Mr. Teal had two very nice looking black with white marking bitches on his yard. Was told they had Bullet breeding in them. Any Bullet breeding would be way back in most pedigrees today.

Bullet was another controversial dog like the Red Boy dog. No one was ever quite sure on his true pedigree. So most of the Bullet line started with Bullet. One of the very best breedings off Bullet was to Egan Skinner's/Plemmon's Lightner dogs.

Two of them being Teal's Tip and Teal's Susie-Que. Right before Mr. Skinner moved to Charleston S.C. There was a flash flood in his area and all of his best dogs got drowned. That was around 40 years ago.

[realpitsnobull]

Dang, good info cyj

[CYJ]

You are welcomed. Jacobs knew Lopassay on a first hand bases and got dogs from him. The heavy bred Bullet dog was Ray Carter's Blackie. Note on Blackie's bottom side of Pedigree. The Bitch called Howell's AKA Martin's Lady. Note the Bullet breeding in just Her line. That Shivar's Rock should read Shivar's Rook. Unless Rock was Rook's sibling. The older original pedigrees I saw showed Shivar's Rook with same pedigree shown on the on lines ped site.

Lady was owned by W.Martin in Dillion S.C. Martin had a lot of Lopassay dogs himself. Martin was the original owner of the Tramp Red Boy dog. He had Red Boy till he was getting close to over a year old or so. A.Howle later bought Lady from Martin and maybe the Buckshot dog as well.

Lady was a mostly a black bitch with some white markings. One of the female pups off Howell's Buckshot and Howell's (Martins Lady) was bought by Snakeman. That bitch is shown in his dogs and Fat Bill's dogs.

Carter's Blackie fought V.Jackson and Cook's Thora down to a 3:09 hour match. Was a lot of scratches back and forth in that dog pull event. Carter finally conceded and picked up to save a deep game well bred dog. Was a wise move on his part.

I might be wrong but Carter may have did a lot of the conditioning for Jacobs. Carter was a good dog man and could put one in shape to stay awhile. Carter was a very friendly and well mannered man to sit and talk with. I always enjoyed my trips to see Jacobs and the dog men in that part of the country. Enjoyed talking with Mr. B. Miller about his Palidan x Red Boy crosses.

[evolutionkennels]

Yeah. Frank could put one in shape. Machobuck whioped frank for his 3 rd, traveling 22 hours to franks backyard. I remember when we exited the vehicle, he said, "damn, you kids look like decent people, are you sure yall are dogmen? " he showed us a picture of Machobuck that was on peds online and asked if that was the dog. We said yes, and he said, "he sure is a pretty sob, im gonna hate to kill him." We laughed it off and told him that we didnt travel 24 hours with an earsucker. We told him we were gonna do the job in less than 30. He replied that he would cull his whole yard if we could do that. Well, the rest is history, the time was 28 minutes, and he didn't cull his yard. Hehe. Anyway, frank is a good man. His wife cooked us a good dinner, he has a beautiful daughter. We went back again in 6 weeks to do Machobuck for #4, and we couldn't get a bet anywhere, well, we found out later, frank had bet everyone in the state. Rumor has he won 40 big ones betting on Machobuck. Nobody thought Machobuck could pull it off given he was shown 6 weeks prior. We made a measly 3. Yeah, Frank made his money back, and then some . Anyway, the best compliment to date that i ever received from anyone was from Frank. He said "The two best dogs i ever saw in my life were Buck and Machobuck. This from a 40 year dogman that hosted the buck vs sandman show. Anyhow, machobuck won #5 eight weeks later, back to back to back, 3 matches in 14 weeks, and Frank and I haave been friends ever since

[realpitsnobull]

Don't seem like much bullet blood around anymore so in y'all opinion do y'all like the old school blood if u can find it with names like loposay,Edwards,woods,halls,wilders etc real dog men who really worked there dogs in those action days or are y'all fine with the new blood. I myself am a old school guy I wnt the stuff that made the new school if I can I feel those line will have a higher % of hot pups in my experience. What do y'all think? P.S I rather not hear the paper hanging talk to me that's for people that do not have the names on there paperwork to fuss about if I had a nickel for everytime some one said that about a number of dogs we wld all be rich lol!!

[EWO]

Great post. I didn't realize 3-4 & 5 were so close.





Yeah. Frank could put one in shape. Machobuck whioped frank for his 3 rd, traveling 22 hours to franks backyard. I remember when we exited the vehicle, he said, "damn, you kids look like decent people, are you sure yall are dogmen? " he showed us a picture of Machobuck that was on peds online and asked if that was the dog. We said yes, and he said, "he sure is a pretty sob, im gonna hate to kill him." We laughed it off and told him that we didnt travel 24 hours with an earsucker. We told him we were gonna do the job in less than 30. He replied that he would cull his whole yard if we could do that. Well, the rest is history, the time was 28 minutes, and he didn't cull his yard. Hehe. Anyway, frank is a good man. His wife cooked us a good dinner, he has a beautiful daughter. We went back again in 6 weeks to do Machobuck for #4, and we couldn't get a bet anywhere, well, we found out later, frank had bet everyone in the state. Rumor has he won 40 big ones betting on Machobuck. Nobody thought Machobuck could pull it off given he was shown 6 weeks prior. We made a measly 3. Yeah, Frank made his money back, and then some . Anyway, the best compliment to date that i ever received from anyone was from Frank. He said "The two best dogs i ever saw in my life were Buck and Machobuck. This from a 40 year dogman that hosted the buck vs sandman show. Anyhow, machobuck won #5 eight weeks later, back to back to back, 3 matches in 14 weeks, and Frank and I haave been friends ever since

[CYJ]

Ray Carter had the Blackie dog. You can pull him up and all the other dogs on the on line peds site. May can here also. Not quite figured out how to use our pedigree search engine on this site.

It was the R.Carter's Blackie dog that carried the heavy Bullet line breeding. Carter bred Blackie to his Meanie bitch and to Jacobs hog dog bitch. It was crossed with Yellow John Red Boy dogs and Yellow John Red Boy and the Boze dog that was a brother to J. Johnson's Rage bitch.

It could be possible R.Carter has kept a straight line of those Bullet line bred dogs. I do not know how to contact him. Some one else may. Any other Bullet breeding would be 12 or more generations back. Unless heavy line bred in all generations would have little influence in a dog today. Would be just another brick in the wall.

[realpitsnobull]

Ray Carter had the Blackie dog. You can pull him up and all the other dogs on the on line peds site. May can here also. Not quite figured out how to use our pedigree search engine on this site.

It was the R.Carter's Blackie dog that carried the heavy Bullet line breeding. Carter bred Blackie to his Meanie bitch and to Jacobs hog dog bitch. It was crossed with Yellow John Red Boy dogs and Yellow John Red Boy and the Boze dog that was a brother to J. Johnson's Rage bitch.

It could be possible R.Carter has kept a straight line of those Bullet line bred dogs. I do not know how to contact him. Some one else may. Any other Bullet breeding would be 12 or more generations back. Unless heavy line bred in all generations would have little influence in a dog today. Would be just another brick in the wall.

Well my blood is in the 7th and offspring in the 6th line bred 75% http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=141320 all but long legged Sally !

[realpitsnobull]

Well my blood is in the 7th and offspring in the 6th line bred 75% http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=141320 all but long legged Sally !

Sorry this is it KING http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=16009

[evolutionkennels]

Ray Carter had the Blackie dog. You can pull him up and all the other dogs on the on line peds site. May can here also. Not quite figured out how to use our pedigree search engine on this site.

It was the R.Carter's Blackie dog that carried the heavy Bullet line breeding. Carter bred Blackie to his Meanie bitch and to Jacobs hog dog bitch. It was crossed with Yellow John Red Boy dogs and Yellow John Red Boy and the Boze dog that was a brother to J. Johnson's Rage bitch.

It could be possible R.Carter has kept a straight line of those Bullet line bred dogs. I do not know how to contact him. Some one else may. Any other Bullet breeding would be 12 or more generations back. Unless heavy line bred in all generations would have little influence in a dog today. Would be just another brick in the wall.

Wrecking crew kennels has the champion bullet blood tight through champion bullshit. He has tons on ice.

[CYJ]

How is that dog's pedigree shown? Do you have the on line ped ID # of the B.S. dog. Looked at some of the wrecking crews peds on the other site. But could not pick this dog out. The tightest Bullet line that could have been bred up would be Bullet back to his daughter and a bitch (granddaughter) bred back to Bullet and bitch out of that breeding (great grand daughter) bred back to Bullet and so on. I do not know if Mr. Cotton did are allowed any such breedings. Mr. Shivar's Sambo dog was one of the last tightest bred Bullet dogs.

Carter's Blackie was one of the last dogs I knew of that was line bred off Bullet through Loposay's Bullet-Colby dogs. That was around 25 years or more ago.

The Bullet line was real popular in the late 50's and 60's. Like all bloodlines some held on to it or mixed it into other lines. There was the Loposay Tiger Jack Dogs for awhile. Then the Lonzo dogs and Lopossay's Buster dogs. The Snooty/Boomerang/ Chivo/ Paladin/Rascal/etc. Carver dogs. Then the Bolio/Kephart etc. dogs and on into the Jocko-Red Boy-Yellow John-Termite dogs.

Today it looks to me that about all the different lines including the Jackson-Young line of the 70'/80'/90's have been blended a good bit back and forth to each other. Sure there are some older or old family blood lines out there that was carried on. The McGee/Johnson line is one that comes to my mind. Tar Heel told me he had a litter of pups due on March the 30Th. Was the first in over three years. Good foundational line to build your own choice of dogs from.

Hammerpits lost a fine litter except for one male from parvo. That was off his V. Jackson dog bred to his Diamond Jim Luther bitch. I would have liked to have seen another litter off the McGee's Apostle dog and this Luther's Diamond Jim bitch. Cross the two lines together. That would have to produce something bad to the bone. With a lot of old family dogs that go right back to the Tudor/Corvino/Colby/Lightner dogs.

Even though I am out of the game. Still love to study the various bloodlines and consider what if I could do this or that. To bad it has to take so long to find out. Good Luck to all. The good ones are were you find them.

[realpitsnobull]

Right it does take a while that's why u have to breed for the love of it not the $$$. U have to keep some of the pups I kept 1 male off my last litter and 2 females off this litter now I got a few different ways I can go. 75% to the dam / 75% to the sire and or brother sister what ever makes me happy! To me if you get the hot game trait in the pups and up to 1-2 years they still hot and wnt and need work high wind, mouth ,smart ,head etc you got u a nice project. Now the next ? Is how nice of a project and that depends on your yard and what u looking for in a dog. For me if u have producing dogs thats all u will ever need if you are smart with the blood. Give me a producing dog over a match dog any day because I can with god of course mk 2 or 3 action dogs yes it will take time but if u not in it for the $ who cares lol.

[evolutionkennels]

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[CYJ]

All I can say about that Wrecking Crew Inc's -Eli. breeding and type looking dog shown. Is like WOW my Man. That dog and the B.S. dog are bred old family as it gets. That is the most direct dogs off the Bullet line breeding that could be had. I had forgot about the Moore's Bandit dog.

I had saved up my money and was hoping to breed to the Moore's Bandit dog. But a car repair bill ended that. Mr. Skinner had lost all his Bullet/Lightner dogs. So none was available from him. Skinner's Rowdy and Teals Tip were siblings to E.Crensahaw's Sad Sack.

Mr. Lee/Mr. Lewis were two other dog men that had dogs from Heinzl and Mr. Coplin. Mr. Lee and Mr. Lewis exchanged dogs with Mr. Coplin and were good friends.

Mr. Lee may have carried on some of the Heinzl and Coplin line after Mr. Coplin passed. If this Inc. group of dog men still has this line intact. This line will cross to any of the Carver or Carver-Eli-Kephart-Alligator dogs and just about anything else.

I am very impressed. If I was to get back into the dog game today. Would want to buy several young bitches or pups off this breeding. A very good foundation line to build off of.

This dog is a splendid built dog and shows his breeding. Has that old Colby head and Heinzl body. Carries the Bullet Black and White markings. Most Bullet dogs that I ever saw back in my past were Black with a little white in chest or Black with White markings. A. Howel's (Martin's Lady) looked like this dog in a smaller size.

If these fellows still have some of this line bred straight. Sit on the young pups and give plenty of time to mature due to the heavy Dibo and Dibo's Corvino siblings along with the Colby- Lightner that is in this line. Others may not but I like what I see. Good luck

[evolutionkennels]

All I can say about that Wrecking Crew Inc's -Eli. breeding and type looking dog shown. Is like WOW my Man. That dog and the B.S. dog are bred old family as it gets. That is the most direct dogs off the Bullet line breeding that could be had. I had forgot about the Moore's Bandit dog.

I had saved up my money and was hoping to breed to the Moore's Bandit dog. But a car repair bill ended that. Mr. Skinner had lost all his Bullet/Lightner dogs. So none was available from him. Skinner's Rowdy and Teals Tip were siblings to E.Crensahaw's Sad Sack.

Mr. Lee/Mr. Lewis were two other dog men that had dogs from Heinzl and Mr. Coplin. Mr. Lee and Mr. Lewis exchanged dogs with Mr. Coplin and were good friends.

Mr. Lee may have carried on some of the Heinzl and Coplin line after Mr. Coplin passed. If this Inc. group of dog men still has this line intact. This line will cross to any of the Carver or Carver-Eli-Kephart-Alligator dogs and just about anything else.

I am very impressed. If I was to get back into the dog game today. Would want to buy several young bitches or pups off this breeding. A very good foundation line to build off of.

This dog is a splendid built dog and shows his breeding. Has that old Colby head and Heinzl body. Carries the Bullet Black and White markings. Most Bullet dogs that I ever saw back in my past were Black with a little white in chest or Black with White markings. A. Howel's (Martin's Lady) looked like this dog in a smaller size.

If these fellows still have some of this line bred straight. Sit on the young pups and give plenty of time to mature due to the heavy Dibo and Dibo's Corvino siblings along with the Colby- Lightner that is in this line. Others may not but I like what I see. Good luck

FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE:
http://www.machobuck.com/Eli.jpg (http://www.machobuck.com/Redhead's%20Eli.HTM)
REDHEAD'S ELI (http://www.machobuck.com/Redhead's Eli.HTM)

[TFX]

As a side note, Redhead was a protégé of Crisis' grandfather. Not sure even Crisis knows that.

[evolutionkennels]

FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE:
http://www.machobuck.com/Eli.jpg (http://www.machobuck.com/Redhead's%20Eli.HTM)
REDHEAD'S ELI (http://www.machobuck.com/Redhead's Eli.HTM)

Who is Crisis??

[CRISIS]

Im crisis........

Red head?.......was his initials C.H?

Theres only a select few i remember that were over here all the time......

[evolutionkennels]

Im crisis........

Red head?.......was his initials C.H?

Theres only a select few i remember that were over here all the time......

Indeed it is.

[CRISIS]

Wow........small world, he actually used to live here at the same place i do now.......... The family has been curious about what came about of him, we had some nice BB bred dogs we got from him in the mid 90's...last we heard he went to texas and we had lost touch since then....are you in contact with that guy evo?

[evolutionkennels]

Wow........small world, he actually used to live here at the same place i do now.......... The family has been curious about what came about of him, we had some nice BB bred dogs we got from him in the mid 90's...last we heard he went to texas and we had lost touch since then....are you in contact with that guy evo?


Real nice guy. He owns one off machobear and artemis. I spoke to him this morning. Call me at 8324236665.

[CRISIS]

Will do...

[skipper]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10123

This dog is like 16 years old. A proven 2xer and a heavy bullet dog. Saw him some months back when i picked a pup up from him as he is actually fertile.

[realpitsnobull]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10123

This dog is like 16 years old. A proven 2xer and a heavy bullet dog. Saw him some months back when i picked a pup up from him as he is actually fertile.

Nice this my boy bitch waiting for her to come in heat
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=380322

[evolutionkennels]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10123

This dog is like 16 years old. A proven 2xer and a heavy bullet dog. Saw him some months back when i picked a pup up from him as he is actually fertile.

Does he have any bitches off of him?

[skipper]

You have pm evo!

[realpitsnobull]

My apologies if you were offended. It was not meant in that manner. You posted a pedigree, you asked about a certain faction of that pedigree and then at the end of the post you said any info will help. I went with that. No harm intended. The Stoney dog was up here and Mr. Edwards made the call. He was bred to the best bitches going and produced nothing. The bitches had produced and continued to produce with other dogs. As I said, I am amazed Minnie carried that as far as she did with Sabotage and even Grunt, although Grunt was on a downward spiral until he was sold. As far as the bottom side I was referring to the Boyles/Mims crossed dogs in the bottom. Both of those families have stood the test of time. They have performed and produced not only with their creators but others as well. The Cotton Bullet line has made its mark as well just not that particular strain. This is based on personal knowledge, not what I was told or what I read on another board.
I apologize if you were offended by the Jump Around/Stoney references. But when you post a pedigree and say any info will help you should accept what you get, factor it in and go from there, both the good and the bad. As I said, my apologies if you were offended by information you asked for in the original post. Best of luck to you and your dogs. EWO

Mr EWO what's up man you sd you knew about the Stoney blood from experience not here say and mr Edwards sd he was cold put him down so what up with Hawley's Stoney same ped same # last modified in 2001 that BDK /Wade had and bass had like this one http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=386492 and this one http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=421165 also this dog tha jump around produced http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=73571 BDK seem to like it too http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=44775 if anyone u or anyone knows thanks in advance

[evolutionkennels]

Mr EWO what's up man you sd you knew about the Stoney blood from experience not here say and mr Edwards sd he was cold put him down so what up with Hawley's Stoney same ped same # last modified in 2001 that BDK /Wade had and bass had like this one http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=386492 and this one http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=421165 also this dog tha jump around produced http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=73571 BDK seem to like it too http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=44775 if anyone u or anyone knows thanks in advance

Hard to really call that bullet blood... It's a tiny amount.
http://machobuck.com/Redhead's%20Eli.HTM

That's a cottons bullet dog

[realpitsnobull]

Hard to really call that bullet blood... It's a tiny amount.
http://machobuck.com/Redhead's%20Eli.HTM

That's a cottons bullet dog. That dog has 17% bullet STONEY has 23% http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=9099

[dtakennels]

Had plenty off of Stoney....Had 1 that was a good dog and that was it......Have also heard several ? his ped....If I was going to work with Bullet Blood it would be the BullShit blood or is brother Alien....The CGK had some good stuff at 1 time but they might be out of the dogs by now....

[realpitsnobull]

Had plenty off of Stoney....Had 1 that was a good dog and that was it......Have also heard several ? his ped....If I was going to work with Bullet Blood it would be the BullShit blood or is brother Alien....The CGK had some good stuff at 1 time but they might be out of the dogs by now....

Only 1 and you had plenty of Stoney dang how was the dogs bread if u don't mind putting up the ped dta kennel I have a male that's 10 in July and he was hot since a pup I have sold bout 15-20 pups off him and no complaints not 1 mostly out town alot of them want more I got 1 male bout 2 and 3 female myself 1 bout 3 and the other 2 are 8 months if its crossed right and u give the dogs some time 1 1/2 to 2 years you will see the beast come out!!

[dtakennels]

Glad its working for you....As far as how he was really bred who knows just heard it was not as the papers said...That was after we quit messing with it...I really didn't care....good luck moving ahead with the line...If you are happy with it thats all that matters anyway....

[realpitsnobull]

Glad its working for you....As far as how he was really bred who knows just heard it was not as the papers said...That was after we quit messing with it...I really didn't care....good luck moving ahead with the line...If you are happy with it thats all that matters anyway.... thanks man yeah my strain is fine crossed like I have it makes very good dogs ! Lol Yeah if I had a nickel for every time I hear that peds not right about my old blood I wld be rich. I just go off my ADBA /BFKC papers in hand and let peps that don't have the blood talk and when they run acoss one the dogs they speak for themselves haha

[Chase1]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printablePedigree&dog_id=353984