Any ways to prevent heat without influencing performance?

[R2L]

Besides from contracting on a date when your bitch is not in heat, or not contracting at all..... lol

Are there ways (medicine?) to prevent a bitch from getting into heat without influencing her performance?

Or am i asking for some wonder stuff that everybody would have used if it existed :lol:

[R2L]

Maybe someone has experience with Medroxyprogesteron?

[Officially Retired]

Rather than fucking up your bitch with "wonder drugs," have you ever considered the safer (more intelligent) method called keeping records of your bitch's cycle ... so you know where she is within the cycle? :idea:

[R2L]

I know you were going to give this exact answer because i used the search function. That's why i wrote my first sentence :lol:

I would if the bitch was mine.

Im not going to explain the whole story, i did not pick her up yet. Just wondering if there was anything out there.

[Officially Retired]

So, despite knowing the sensible answer, you're still looking for the insensible, risky one?

I should have known that would be 'your' response :lol: :rolleyes: :confused:

[R2L]

lol i dont know if its risky

thats my question. but i understand it is. thanks

maybe you should try not to see anyone as an idiot. nothing wrong with a question.

[Officially Retired]

lol i dont know if its risky
thats my question. but i understand it is. thanks


Any time you fool with a bitch's heat cycle, it's risky. That's where the expression "fool" comes from :lol:

It's like a monkey fiddling with a Swiss watch, they seldom make it better ...




maybe you should try not to see anyone as an idiot. nothing wrong with a question.

LMAO, I have watched people do foolish things with dogs for a lot of years. I have also been the fool in some of these scenarios, lol, and I have observed the pathology of "wanting to tamper with nature" play itself out innumerable times ... seldom with good effect ... and it never ceases to amaze me. Everyone wants a "miracle pill" to instantly solve some problem. As I have grown older, I have learned to be more patient with the realities of life.

I don't think you're an idiot for asking the question, I think you're falling victim to the same pathology, that so many fall for, and that is wanting some "magic pill" to solve a very simple reality that comes with bitches ... but a reality that is also complex within their hormone cycles. I am merely trying to steer you in a more sensible direction, and keeping a log of your bitch's cycle, and hooking her right after she just gets out of heat, is the sensible way to match bitches.

Not knowing where you're at in a heat cycle, and wanting to give your bitch "hormone-altering drugs" as a cover for your ignorance, is the foolish way to match bitches.

If you're feeling foolish, it isn't because of anything I've done, other than point out the two roads you can take on this matter.

You can always choose the more sensible road if you want to feel more sensible :rotflmao:

Jack

[R2L]

LMAO, I have watched people do foolish things with dogs for a lot of years. I have also been the fool in some of these scenarios, lol, and I have observed the pathology of "wanting to tamper with nature" play itself out innumerable times ... seldom with good effect ... and it never ceases to amaze me. Everyone wants a "miracle pill" to instantly solve some problem.

yes, that what i feel when i read your answer

but im not doing anything foolish. im asking a question about a subject i don;t know anything about. to prevent doing something foolish.

childish discussion man

[Officially Retired]

Weren't you the one who started laughing and joking?

In all seriousness, I didn't say you are doing something foolish ... you're just leaning in that direction.

Truly, what is the emergency to match this bitch that you (apparently) know nothing about?

I don't know how to say this in any other way, than to say it, but knowing where a bitch is within her cycle is simply the smart way to do things. By contrast, not knowing where a bitch is within her cycle, and wanting to alter her entire hormone cycle with drugs, is the reckless/foolish way of doing things.

How can I say this, other than to say this?

Do you just want me to provide a technical answer on various drugs, while ignoring the most obvious of solutions?

Jack

[CrazyRed]

Well can't put it no better than CJ already did. Best thing you can do if you havent is start working that gyp, if she hasn't been in for a while or is a little late then maybe change of scenery or some work will change some things. I notice you basically said it's not your gyp so you are just asking the question. Well I would ask the guy who has raised her or owned her last.

[R2L]

I didn't try so start joking, i had just read the exact same answer you gave in another tread. That's why i tried to cover the most sensible manner and make it just a topic about potential other ways.

Im not ignoring the most obvious of solutions. No doubt that i would write down the heat cycles of my bitches. But It's not of interest to all people on the board what is the exact situation here.

Im just exploring the possibilities. Just like when you first find out it is not the right thing to do, i have to find out or hear it one day. But despite the senseless discussion your opinion seems very clear, i believe if there was anything else u could do you would know.

no hard feelings :cheers:

[R2L]

I heard when you training a bitch, it can take a little longer for her to get into heat. Then as soon the show is over she will get into heat.

Fable or truth?

[Officially Retired]

Nah, no hard feelings :mrgreen:

It is only natural to explore possibilities, and (in many cases) that is how innovation and great things happen. However, in this case, it is usually how problems happen. Actually, if you look up the side-effects of medroxyprogesterone, pretty much every one of them has to do with dementia, confusion, and basically feeling like shit, so I can't see that as a "plus" for any keep with the main goal being optimal bitch performance :idea:

Sometimes the way we see the "problem" is the problem :idea:

There really is nothing wrong with bitches coming in heat, so (really) nothing needs to be "fixed" in this bitch by chemicals or drugs ... the only thing that needs work is the perspective on how to handle this normal issue :idea:

Oh, and actually, the joke about bitches is that they will come in heat only if you hook them :lol:

On a more serious note, as a breeder, one of the best computer software programs to have installed on your computer is Microsoft Excel. I always had a spreadsheet of my bitches noting when each came in heat, and (after awhile) I could see a pattern develop on each. If I was seriously matching dogs, I would keep the same spreadsheet to know where I'm at with each bitch, not for breeding purposes but for hooking purposes. Another thing you can do is roll your bitches when in heat to see how they behave. I have had some bitches that would fight just as hard in heat as not in heat. I had some that would fight, but would act squirrely, and I had others that either wouldn't fight or who would push their asses at the other bitches.

All of this is just part of educating yourself as to your unique, individual dogs :idea:

If "most bitches" come in heat every 6 months, this has no bearing on me if MY bitch comes in heat every 10 months. If "most bitches" won't fight when they're in heat, this has nothing to do with my situation if MY bitch will fight her ass off in heat, etc.

The simple truth is you know nothing about this bitch, and (apparently) whoever owns her has no real understanding of these things either (i.e., is a half-ass). The game is filled with ignorant folks with good dogs ... who generally lose them as quick as they discover them ... because they really know nothing about dogs. So, honestly, if you really want to rise above that (low) level, then really taking notes on each of your dogs, and knowing everything about them, will put you far ahead of the average palooka ... who throws food at his dogs every day, rolls them on the weekend, but has no real knowledge about them beyond that.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

PS: I got your PM, check yours, and good luck 8)

[R2L]

Oh, and actually, the joke about bitches is that they will come in heat only if you hook them

Is that something like the bus comes when u light up a cigarette or?

Good post, you're right.
I've looked up medroxyprogesterone aswell but couldn't find anything it does with the hormones. More like it breaks/blocks the ovulation and prevents semen from entering the uterus. It can/will stop the bitch from coming into heat, but in most cases only after 6 months. Side effects, sometimes "feeling weak". But that's to much of a risk indeed.

I guess there are no further options

thanks for the PM :pirate:

[Officially Retired]

Side Effects:


• sudden numbness or weakness, especially on one side of the body;

• sudden headache, confusion, problems with vision, speech, or balance;

• chest pain, sudden cough, wheezing, rapid breathing, fast heart rate;

• pain or swelling in one or both legs;

• chest pain or heavy feeling, pain spreading to the arm or shoulder, nausea, sweating, general ill feeling;

• feeling like you might pass out;

• a breast lump;

• symptoms of depression (sleep problems, dizziness, mood changes, headache);

• fever;

• jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes); or

• swelling in your hands, ankles, or feet.


None of these possible side effects would appear to "enhance performance" ... so, if you lost, would it be your bitch's fault?
Would you be wondering "what if" ... ?

Seems like to me it would be a lot simpler, and more sensible, just to match a bitch when she's not going to be in heat ... than it would be to spend money giving this shit to a performance bitch with the insane idea of "optimizing her" for winning :mrgreen:

Jack

[R2L]

Hehe these are seldom side effects, like with every medicine. But i have to totally agree

[skipper]

I'd just wait until she comes in heat and then get her weight out there.

[R2L]

new question

If i know by the date of birth of a litter, she started her heat 20 months before she started her last heat . And i know she had 3 heats after giving birth. Can i suggest that she has an average of 6,6 months in between the cycles?

Or would the first heat after giving birth take much longer then a regular cycle?

Thanks

[evolutionkennels]

Just hook.. If she comes in pay ff. What's complicated about that.

[R2L]

Just hook.. If she comes in pay ff. What's complicated about that.


Oh ok then ill just drive 3000 km to pick up the bitch for one particular confirmation show, and pay 1200$ on top of that if she comes into heat after 8 weeks of hard wark, i thought it was complicated.

Anyone who can shine some light over the last question?

[Officially Retired]

Oh ok then ill just drive 3000 km to pick up the bitch for one particular confirmation show, and pay 1200$ on top of that if she comes into heat after 8 weeks of hard wark, i thought it was complicated.
Anyone who can shine some light over the last question?

LMAO, I can see your sense of urgency now :lol: :rotflmao:

Again, with the benefit of hindsight, I can tell you that people create their own drama and anxiety. Wouldn't it be easier to get the bitch first, see if she's any good, assess her strenghts/weaknesses, and match her locally? I understand your desires and (if Evo knew who you were targeting, I am sure he would assist you financially ... and maybe even with transportation :lol:) I realize it's a time-sensitive issue.

Just remember, YOU don't have to make all of the concessions, do all the driving, etc. Part of hooking a match is getting things in your favor sometimes, not always being the one turning backflips to make something happen. As I myself have learned the hard way, sometimes you can stretch yourself out so far, you find yourself ... or your dog ... over a barrel :idea:

Better to make a comfortable deal for you and your dog ... unless you're just an adrenalin junkie 8)

Jack

[R2L]

I like action Jack. I will pick her up, train her here and show her here. Sorry if you misunderstood. There's not much disadvantage unless she gets in heat.


new question

If i know by the date of birth of a litter, she started her heat 20 months before she started her last heat . And i know she had 3 heats after giving birth. Can i suggest that she has an average of 6,6 months in between the cycles?

Or would the first heat after giving birth take much longer then a regular cycle?

Thanks

any thoughts?

[FrostyPaws]

There used to be something on the market called Cheque Drops that were given to females to prevent them from coming into heat. I don't know the side effects or any of that other jazz. I don't even know if they make it anymore.

[nationalboy]

you asked a good question R2L , and that was a great response cj. you both educated me two ways and i will keep what i learned
to guide me and my heart(apbt)...