What are the benefits for apple cider vinegar?

[Dre21]

Just wondering has anyone used this in their feed and what is it good for. Thanks!

[Steeldog]

I've been adding to my feed. About a tablespoon a day. My bulldog is dealing with generalized mange and I've been reading it's supposed to help control the mites. I guess it also helps externally for hotspots and fungal infections. Don't know how well it's suppose to help but I figure it couldn't hurt.

[Officially Retired]

I have heard all kinds of "claimed properties" of Apple Cider Vinegar, but in truth there isn't much FACT to go on. A nutritional analysis of one tablespoon (which is about as much as anyone takes) reveals that the vinegar contains less than a ram of carbohydrate, along with minuscule amounts of calcium, iron, magnesium, sodium, copper, manganese, and phosphorus; and a mere 15 mg of potassium. The fiber, vitamin, and amino acid content is zero.

As far as I know, the only benefit of the vinegar is that it can aid in the lowering of cholesterol, and possibly clean-out clogged arteries, in much the same way running a cycle of vinegar through your coffee maker greatly increases the flow of your machine for the next pot you brew :mrgreen:

[OFK]

I think it also acts as a mild duretic.

[R2L]

I've been adding to my feed. About a tablespoon a day. My bulldog is dealing with generalized mange and I've been reading it's supposed to help control the mites. I guess it also helps externally for hotspots and fungal infections. Don't know how well it's suppose to help but I figure it couldn't hurt.

demodex you mean? ectodex is about the only product that really works for it, contains "amitraz"

good luck

[Bojacc357]

Everything in moderation. Since ACV acts as a natural fat blocker and dogs use fat as the biggest part of its diet you might not want to use much. This is why it help clean a dog out. Too much of anything isn't good.

[Officially Retired]

I've been adding to my feed. About a tablespoon a day. My bulldog is dealing with generalized mange and I've been reading it's supposed to help control the mites. I guess it also helps externally for hotspots and fungal infections. Don't know how well it's suppose to help but I figure it couldn't hurt.

demodex you mean? ectodex is about the only product that really works for it, contains "amitraz"

good luck


Amitraz is not the only thing that works for demodex; 1% ivermectin at 0.03ml/10lb, given orally and daily, also works ... as does lime/sulphur dips.

[1busterdawg]

FIRST OF ALL YOU WANT RAW ORGANIC ACV WITH THE (MOTHER)! IT IS EXTREMELY BENEFCIAL!!! TO MUCH TO BEGIN TO LIST. CHECK BRAGGS ACV SITE AND BE AMAZED. PEACE. *GITUM*!!!

[Nash]

Seriously, i was looking at a bottle just a few days ago, explaining i have read that it helps to get dogs to burn more of their internal fats. Haven't done research, and realy don't need it that much so left the bottle on the shelf. According to wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_cider_vinegar But my english would have me reading it over and over.

[1busterdawg]

FIRST OFF MY FRIEND NEVERGO ON WIKI OR ANY FDA RUN SITES TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT NATURAL OR ORGANIC.. BEFORE YOU ASK WHY , HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS MAKE POOR CUTOMERS(PATIENTS)YOU WILL GET DILUTED HALF TRUTH ANSWERS..GO TO NATURAL NEWS.COM..THEN REFERENCES..BE ENLIGHTENED.. NOT JUST ATV , LOTTA HELPFULL INFO,IF U INTERESTED.. PEACE...*GITUM*!!!!

[Nash]

Thnx for that bro. Just the first thing i came across when i looked it up.

[1busterdawg]

NO PROBLEM GOOD HUNTIN!!!

[Officially Retired]

FIRST OFF MY FRIEND NEVERGO ON WIKI OR ANY FDA RUN SITES TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT NATURAL OR ORGANIC.. BEFORE YOU ASK WHY , HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS MAKE POOR CUTOMERS(PATIENTS)YOU WILL GET DILUTED HALF TRUTH ANSWERS..GO TO NATURAL NEWS.COM..THEN REFERENCES..BE ENLIGHTENED.. NOT JUST ATV , LOTTA HELPFULL INFO,IF U INTERESTED.. PEACE...*GITUM*!!!!

I don't mean to be rude, and you are entitled to think what you want, and you're also more than welcome to share your views here.

That said, what I want even more is for this forum to be considered the best source of LEGITIMATELY-GOOD information, not quackery. So when you talk about going to "the mother" for your ACV, and you tell people to "ignore science" and pay attention only to "health-nut" forums, your views begin to take on the appearance of quackery (http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/quackdef.html). There simply is no published evidence that ACV really does much of anything. Here are the words of Beth Fontenot, RD, LDN (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GCU/is_n6_v14/ai_20152545). She is a registered dietitian (RD) and a licensed dietitian/nutritionist (LDN). She is both a nutrition writer and consultant, and she also serves on the Louisiana Board of Examiners in Dietetics and Nutrition:

"There is no scientific evidence that apple cider vinegar has any medicinal properties. While the folksy anecdotes from those who claim to have benefited from apple cider vinegar tonics may be amusing to read, they are simply that -- anecdotes.
Apple cider vinegar is anything but a storehouse of nutrients. A nutritional analysis of one tablespoon (more than the one or two teaspoons suggested to make a tonic) reveals that the golden liquid contains less than a ram of carbohydrate: minuscule amounts of calcium, iron, magnesium, sodium. copper, manganese, and phosphorus; and a mere 15 mg of potassium. The fiber, vitamin, and amino acid content is zero."

There is simply a difference between "mystical claims" and "folksy tales" and hard, scientific research. Maybe more studies have to be done, but the truth is ACV has virtually zero proven benefits ... but thousands of "claimed" benefits ... and the astute reader will notice the difference.

Jack

[1busterdawg]

HEY JACK HOW WE FEELIN TODAY? GOD I HOPE. A LITTLE PRESSED FOR TIME. QUICK QUESTION.NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE BUT DOES (SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH) RECOMEND FEEDING RAW? AND FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING BUT WHAT (HERBAL REMEDIES) ARE IN YOUR NATURE'S MAGIC? TRUST ME NOT TRYING TO SOUND RUDE I LOVE TO LEARN.. ENLIGHTEN ME!!! PEACE... *GITUM* !!! P.S www.globalhealingcenter.com/.../thebene ... er-vinegar (http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/.../thebenefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar) PLRASE BE OPENMINDED.

[1busterdawg]

www.globalhealingcenter.com/.../thebene ... er-vineger (http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/.../thebenefits-of-apple-cider-vineger)

[Officially Retired]

HEY JACK HOW WE FEELIN TODAY? GOD I HOPE. A LITTLE PRESSED FOR TIME. QUICK QUESTION.NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE BUT DOES (SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH) RECOMEND FEEDING RAW? AND FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING BUT WHAT (HERBAL REMEDIES) ARE IN YOUR NATURE'S MAGIC? TRUST ME NOT TRYING TO SOUND RUDE I LOVE TO LEARN.. ENLIGHTEN ME!!! PEACE... *GITUM* !!! P.S http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/.../ ... er-vinegar (http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/.../thebenefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar) PLRASE BE OPENMINDED.


If you're "too pressed for time" to answer my question, then what gives you the right to expect me to devote any of my own time for you? If you're asking for the science behind my feeding raw, and whether there are any medicinal benefits to turpentine, sulfur, tea tree oil, and neem ... I will be happy to provide these to you ... after you FIRST answer my question with the scientific facts I asked for. Either that, or admit you do not have any.

Don't ask a rhetorical question of me, and then jump the pit and provide a dead link to a quack site, that is BS.

Instead, first take up some of your own time to answer my question (either with proven science or just come clean and admit you have no science to back up your statement). Only when you lift a finger and demonstrate your own willingness to answer my question honestly, will I then be happy to extend you the courtesy of responding in kind to your question.

I believe this is fair.

Jack

[1busterdawg]

HEY.. DIDN'T TAKE AS LONG AS I THOUGHT. NOW FIRST OF I DIDN' AND STILL DON'T SEE A ? SECOND THE SITE ISN'T DEAD THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME TRYING TO POST. www.globalhealingcenter (http://www.globalhealingcenter). com benefitsof apple cider vineger you could also try braggs acv site if interested. like i said i love to learn. i'm not here to fight . now as far as scientific studies i'm under the belief that these major pharmacutical companies use controlled studies to get the results best suited for them(profits). and as far as the health nut claims... i have been living this for only 6yrs am pushing 50. i feel 30 so i'm not just whistleing in the wind.. and as far asrhetorical ? if i came off wrong my bad. just curious. peace...

[1busterdawg]

sorry forgot this one....healingfoodreference... scroll down to applecider then related articles... peace

[Officially Retired]

HEY.. DIDN'T TAKE AS LONG AS I THOUGHT. NOW FIRST OF I DIDN' AND STILL DON'T SEE A ? SECOND THE SITE ISN'T DEAD THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME TRYING TO POST. http://www.globalhealingcenter. com benefitsof apple cider vineger you could also try braggs acv site if interested. like i said i love to learn. i'm not here to fight . now as far as scientific studies i'm under the belief that these major pharmacutical companies use controlled studies to get the results best suited for them(profits). and as far as the health nut claims... i have been living this for only 6yrs am pushing 50. i feel 30 so i'm not just whistleing in the wind.. and as far asrhetorical ? if i came off wrong my bad. just curious. peace...

Well, thank you for at least responding, but 3-4 lines and a link to a health site isn't what I meant. I asked you to provide a scientific justification for the claims made of ACV, and you simply haven't done so. What you've done is provide me with links to "health food sites" trying to sell me something, which isn't the proven science I was asking about. Just so you know, "proven science" isn't coming from pharmaceutical companies" it's usually coming from accredited universities and/or governmental studies. Since you don't believe in these, clearly you have none to give. That is fine, but it also means your beliefs are not based on actual, published, scientific fact---but rather on beliefs you have formed reading health articles. These do not constitute published facts, but rather they constitute published "opinions," and there is a big difference. You might want to read my thread on Quackery claims (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=721), versus accepted science, just so you know the difference.

Turpentine
Now then, even though you failed to provide a shred of scientific evidence to back up your claims, let me address your own questions about my herbal products, there is plenty of scientific evidence to support the ingredients I have in them. Let's start with my medicinals, the main ingredient of which is Turpentine (http://www.meridianinstitute.com/echerb/files/1turpen.html). Aside from the fact the landmark vet products Cut-Heal (http://www.calvetsupply.com/product/Cut_Heal_16oz_Dauber/Veterinary_Wound_Care), which has turpentine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine) as its main ingredient (and who's received awards for their product for nearly 40 years) ... not to mention the fact Nu-Stock (http://www.jefferspet.com/images/label/0027963.htm), which has the related pine oil as its main ingredient (and who's likewise received awards for over 30 years) ... use the same ingredients as I do ... the fact of the matter is THE #1 All-Time HUMAN Cold-Remedy Medicine Company Vicks USA (http://www.vicks.com/) has been using turpentine in its products since it began in 1890. In fact, their entire line of chest-rub/vapor products is composed of nothing but combinations of the PROVEN medicinals turpentine, camphor, eucalyptus oil, menthol, cedarleaf oil, nutmeg oil, etc. These are FDA-approved drugs, which proves by definition that the ingredients have been demonstrated-effective. And, actually, Vicks is one of the few companies who survived the "fraud medicine scandal," more than 100 years ago, when the US Government seized multiple companies making medicinal claims at the turn of the 19th Century, either dissolving them or forcing them to drop their claims (if fraudulent). The Vicks company survived, and has prospered FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY, precisely because its turpentine- and camphor-based products work. Turpentine has governmental proof of working on anything from root canals (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9206430) to bronchitis, intestinal worms, ringworm, and even inoperable cancer of the uterus (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Turpentine).

Sulfur
Regarding the benefits of sulfur (http://www.eblue.org/article/S0190-9622%2888%2970079-1/abstract) (sulphur), these have been proven since the dawn of time. Aside from the widely-used topical applications to cure mange (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20178503), as well as to cure fungus (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PDG/is_4_3/ai_n12417035), there are also the derivative medicinal products of sulfur we know as MSM and DMSO (http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/sulfur-000328.htm).

Neem Oil
Regarding the effectiveness of neem oil, ranges from pest control (http://scialert.net/abstract/?doi=je.2011.530.538), larva control (http://www.malariajournal.com/content/6/1/63), to control of aflatoxins (http://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=2856). There are literally hundreds of governmental studies that have been performed on this oil, just Google science + abstract + neem oil and you will find them :)

Feeding Raw
Regarding eating raw, this is a complex subject, with the facts going either way depending on the food item you're talking about. Since I only got 3 lines and a dead link out of you, I am not going to give too much of my time on this VAST subject, but let's start out with the fact researchers at the National Cancer Institute (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats) found that human subjects who ate meats rare or medium-rare had less than one third the risk of stomach cancer than those who ate beef medium-well or well-done:

"Heterocyclic amines (HCAs) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) are chemicals formed when muscle meat, including beef, pork, fish, or poultry, is cooked using high-temperature methods, such as pan frying or grilling directly over an open flame (1). In laboratory experiments, HCAs and PAHs have been found to be mutagenic—that is, they cause changes in DNA that may increase the risk of cancer."
Now keep in mind, that is regarding human-cooked meats ... that still remain moist ... let alone the over-cooking done to create kibble! Now, some foods (corns, wheats, rice) cannot even be used unless they're cooked, so cooking is not always bad; in some cases it's necessary. Regarding vegetables, the facts can go either way (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=raw-veggies-are-healthier), However, regarding meats, any type of extreme cooking is simply bad, in any number of ways. It is a proven fact that diet alone causes more than 1/3rd of all cancers (http://training.seer.cancer.gov/disease/cancer/risk.html). Nitrosamines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrosamine) from cooking can also cause cancer.

Now then, I have given you about 10x the amount of time and effort you have given me, and that's cool. However, I think you will find (if you do put in the time and effort) that no actual medical documentation exists for the medicinal use of ACV.

Cheers,

Jack

[1busterdawg]

TOUCHE FRIEND.YOUR OBVIOUSLY THE MORE EDUCATED ONE IN THIS CONVERSATION. FOR THE RECORD I'M A 'RAW DAWG' ENTHUSIEST. AND AM INTERESTED IN YOUR LITERATURE. NOW BACK TO ACV AND (SCIENTIFIC) CLAIMS.. I DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE TIME AS YOU TO ALL THE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AS YOUSELF BUT FOR THE RECORD ORGANIC RAW APPLE CIDER VINEGER IS SIMPLY FERMENTED "GOD-GIVEN" ORGANIC APPLE'S AND 'WE ALL KNOW AN APPLE A-DAY KEEPS THE Dr (BIG-PHARM) AWAY!!! "SCIENCE/MAN"---" "ORGANIC(NATURAL)/GOD"...WHO DO YOU TRUST? PEACE JACK. *GITUM*!!!!

[Officially Retired]

TOUCHE FRIEND.YOUR OBVIOUSLY THE MORE EDUCATED ONE IN THIS CONVERSATION. FOR THE RECORD I'M A 'RAW DAWG' ENTHUSIEST. AND AM INTERESTED IN YOUR LITERATURE. NOW BACK TO ACV AND (SCIENTIFIC) CLAIMS.. I DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE TIME AS YOU TO ALL THE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AS YOUSELF BUT FOR THE RECORD ORGANIC RAW APPLE CIDER VINEGER IS SIMPLY FERMENTED "GOD-GIVEN" ORGANIC APPLE'S AND 'WE ALL KNOW AN APPLE A-DAY KEEPS THE Dr (BIG-PHARM) AWAY!!! "SCIENCE/MAN"---" "ORGANIC(NATURAL)/GOD"...WHO DO YOU TRUST? PEACE JACK. *GITUM*!!!!

Actually, you and I are kindred spirits, in that I much prefer natural alternatives to mainstream products. As you noted, my own products are natural medicinals, but I have to make sure what I am using really works.

Don't feel bad, I too was real interested in ACV, in fact I used to take it. But when my own beliefs got challenged, I really couldn't find any hard science supporting its use. Not like what supports other herbs like garlic. Garlic really is an incredible herb, but some of what's purported to be "cure-alls" really don't amount to much when put under the microscope.

This doesn't mean all herbal / natural medicinals don't work, just some.

Jack

[1busterdawg]

ONCE AGAIN "TOUCHE"! JACK, BRAGG'S ACV SITE HAS A VERY INFORMATIVE BOOK ABOUT $9.00 ON THERE SITE. I'T DOESN'T HAVE MANY IF ANY AT ALL (SCIENTIFICALLY STUDIED) FACTS. WICH IF I HAVE TO WILL TRY TO DEBATE IT LATER. HOPEFULLY MUCH LATER LOL. BUT IF HIPPOCRATES TAUGHT ABOUT AND SWORE BY IN ABOUT 40BC AND ACV STOOD THE BIGGEST TEST OF ALL (TIME) WOULDN'T YOU AT LEAST BE SLIGHTLY MORE INCLINED TO RESEARCH IT A LITTLE MORE? AND AS FAR AS "CURE-ALLS" WE KNOW BETTER, BUT PREVENTION IS WORTH AH HOW MUCH CURE... U KNOW WHAT IT IS. PEACE... *GITUM*!!! P.S YOU SAID DON'T FEEL BAD... WELL I, LIKE "TONY THE TIGER" FEEEL GRRREAT. HAD MY ACV THIS MORNING... LOL

[inkdogg]

Not like what supports other herbs like garlic. Garlic really is an incredible herb, but some of what's purported to be "cure-alls" really don't amount to much when put under the microscope.
This doesn't mean all herbal / natural medicinals don't work, just some.
Jack
Hi Jack bit confused about ur view about Garlic, do u think its good or bad for dogs...I give my dog one teaspoon of garlic powder 4 days a week...have read too much of Garlic can affect the Blood Count.. Also wat do u think about Turmeric ...
By the way i feed raw..
Thanks

[Officially Retired]

Hi Jack bit confused about ur view about Garlic, do u think its good or bad for dogs...I give my dog one teaspoon of garlic powder 4 days a week...have read too much of Garlic can affect the Blood Count.. Also wat do u think about Turmeric ...
By the way i feed raw..
Thanks

Nothing to be confused about :)

Simply stated, garlic powder is useless. The actual herb, garlic, when given raw and fresh, is an exceptional tonic/antibiotic.

The medicinal properties of garlic come from allicin, which are triggered through the crushing of the actual garlic clove (or single horn) ... but which must be used within the first 5 minutes to get the peak efficacy of the allicin ... which is why using long-dried garlic "powder" does nothing ... as the key medicinal properties of the allicin have long since vanished.

Hope this clarifies!

Jack

[inkdogg]

Yes That makes it very clear...Ill make sure its fresh garlic from now on :lotsagreen: Thanks Jack