what do you think about this s---

[bad dog]

OK, it is my great pleasure to announce this years awards:

Dog Of The Year: The Chosen Few's CH SIEGA
Runner Up Female: FMK & Brickhouse's GR CH SOFIA
Runner Up Male: FMK's GR CH TITERE

Special award goes to: Imprerios Kennels' CH LA DENTISTA

Dogman Of The Year: The Chosen Few

All my previous work on the January issue was lost due to laptop failure so I'll have to do the mag all over but I'm on it so stay tuned because it will be ONE OF A KIND!

Congratulations to all of the camps!


sorry, took this from peds, but what do yall think about this crap.does anyone know whos running that mag and is he even a dogman?

[Milo]

sorry, took this from peds, but what do yall think about this crap.does anyone know whos running that mag and is he even a dogman?

This should answer your question (taken from the same thread):

"You know why LC is Really CL aka THE CHOSEN FEW ! We been knew that we just laughed to ourselves about it think back when THIS mag started."

[ragedog10]

I know Tietre should nt of been the runner up. Yis Ole Man

[TopShelfKennels]

I know Tietre should nt of been the runner up. Yis Ole Man


You damn right! How does a champ beat 2 Gr Ch for dog of the year..Particularly Gr Ch's at the level of quality that Titre & Sophia have shown... not saying the DOY wasnt worthy, but im indefinitely curious to know how they picked a winner. JMHO

[CrazyRed]

Sophia hasn't been shown in Quite some years. However there are several other Chs & Grch that could of been in mention.

[ragedog10]

Sophia i can understand because its been awhile. But there will always be a issue when awards are handed out just the way it is. Yis Ole Man

[Officially Retired]

You damn right! How does a champ beat 2 Gr Ch for dog of the year..Particularly Gr Ch's at the level of quality that Titre & Sophia have shown... not saying the DOY wasnt worthy, but im indefinitely curious to know how they picked a winner. JMHO

Who do you think should have won and why?

:)

[ragedog10]

Gr.Ch Tietre has had a hell of a career his 6 th was a hell of a win as were the others. Not taking anything away from the winner just belive he has been over looked. Yis Ole Man

[Officially Retired]

Gr.Ch Tietre has had a hell of a career his 6 th was a hell of a win as were the others. Not taking anything away from the winner just belive he has been over looked. Yis Ole Man


Ole Man, I am out of the loop, what did Gr Ch Titere (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=11369) do and who did he beat?

Thanks.

[ragedog10]

Beat two 4 x and stopped the rest from making Ch. The last being a deep game 4 x who would of went out DG the only one to scratch back to him and be saved. Yis Ole Man

[ragedog10]

Ch.Lotto Gis being the last

[FrostyPaws]

LC is NOT CL for starters.

Secondly, DOY has always been a subjective award given by an editor of some publication. Kelly did it when the SDJ was up and running. There's no consensus taken. Simply one man's opinion.

[ragedog10]

Very true.

[Officially Retired]

Sounds impressive.

[skipper]

Well its kind of hard to argue with the choices. Chicos dogs have won sdj doy 4 years in a row. ch carmela soprano 2010, gr ch chilindrina 2011, gr ch copperhead 2012 and now ch siega 2013. Siega beat the almost unbeatable ch dentista for her championship. There will always be controversy on the choices as its one persons opinion. But to say the dogs given the title aren't worthy is just hating. Records speak for themselves. I have no agenda, nor am i close to chico but i believe to give credit when credit is due.

[Officially Retired]

Well its kind of hard to argue with the choices. Chicos dogs have won sdj doy 4 years in a row. ch carmela soprano 2010, gr ch chilindrina 2011, gr ch copperhead 2012 and now ch siega 2013. Siega beat the almost unbeatable ch dentista for her championship. There will always be controversy on the choices as its one persons opinion. But to say the dogs given the title aren't worthy is just hating. Records speak for themselves. I have no agenda, nor am i close to chico but i believe to give credit when credit is due.


I am not sure what "almost unbeatable" means. (I have a feeling it means nothing.)

The truth is, every undefeated Champion = unbeaten.
Therefore, what makes a win over the previously-unbeaten Ch Dentista any more valuable as a win over 2 previously-unbeaten Champions?

I must admit, I can't stand Chico, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due (if it's due).
The trouble I am having is justifying what makes a 3xW (who beat 1 Champion) a more worthy candidate than a 6xW (who beat 2 Champions)?

I understand that "public perception" might be one Champion was more "highly-regarded" than another (again, whatever that means), but on sheer numbers and statistics I don't see the justification.

Jack

[skipper]

You're right it means nothing. I saw dentistas shows. Only on video but she was a super impressive bitch. wasted no energy, smart, calculating, controlled dogs by the face and when she went for the kill oh boy she went for it. I can't see many dogs beat her therefore the term. I'm not arguing if she is worthy or not. Thats not for me to decide, im just saying she did something most people didn't think she would. How about gr ch kid? Beat one gr ch, 2 ch's a 2xw.

[Chase1]

What about GR CH Tango or GR CH Old School??

[Nut]

Chico over Pera any day. They won't move a mile out of their small country. Wanted to go into kid myself but its only their yard, their 50 spectators with camera's, their judges and their silly rules. I think numbers for wins and titles doesn't always tell all that much and in this sport its hard for an author to get to know details about each specific dog or its wins. I wouldn't worry that much who won and who did not. What you can do is try to proof them wrong

[Officially Retired]

Chico over Pera any day. They won't move a mile out of their small country. Wanted to go into kid myself but its only their yard, their 50 spectators with camera's, their judges and their silly rules. I think numbers and titles for wins doesn't always tell all that much and in this sport its hard for an author to get to know details about each specific dog or its wins. I wouldn't worry that much who won and who did not. What you can do is try to proof them wrong


Are you referring to me, Nut?

You might recall that I have evaluated and put out quite a few good dogs over the years, which is why people have bought my books ... and which is why you always come to me in private with your hat in your hand seeking help with "this and that."

The only opportunity I ever had to "proof (prove) Chico wrong" is when Silverback's half brother Ch Vengence (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=1126) spotted Chico 2 lb of weight, yet (despite a rough start due to the weight disadvantage) still broke his dog's windpipe and stopped his ass in 1:20.

Other than that our dogs have never crossed paths, but I am quite satisfied with the result when they did.

Jack

[skipper]

As i said before. This is merly one persons opinion, it wont be fair or objective. I'm not one to argue though. I'm just a hobby dogman, i do travel but not to the other side of the world. I'm not even in the same leauge as those dogmen.

[Nut]

i was referring to the author or should i call it editor? of the sporting dog journal. this thread is about DOY.

[Officially Retired]

i was referring to the author or should i call it editor? of the sporting dog journal. this thread is about DOY.

Okay, fine, glad you clarified.

There is a big difference between an author and an editor, and the way you worded it made it seem like I (as an author) can't get the gist of what's what out there ... and so I should bring a dog and "prove him wrong."

I don't know who the editor of the SDJ is, and whether he personally has ever shown or bred a top-shelf dog, but I damned sure have.

Proper wording is helpful to avoid misunderstandings :idea:

I will remove my disparaging remarks,

Jack

[Nut]

Aha, i didn't know.

What i mean beating a dog with xx numbers of wins doesn't necessarily mean something. It's hard to get specific information about the opponents of all candidates for the EDITOR of the journal. Even eyewitnesses will come with divided judgments. So there will always be people who don't agree with his choosing. End of the day good dogs don't need recognition in a magazine for "recognition"

[Officially Retired]

Aha, i didn't know.

What i mean beating a dog with xx numbers of wins doesn't necessarily mean something. It's hard to get specific information about the opponents of all candidates for the EDITOR of the journal. Even eyewitnesses will come with divided judgments. So there will always be people who don't agree with his choosing. End of the day good dogs don't need recognition in a magazine for "recognition"


I understand what you mean, which is why I personally have never worried about the titles of Ch, Gr Ch, etc., as I have produced no telling how many dogs off of no-name parents that have beaten the offspring of "titled" dogs, so I agree these titles mean nothing ultimately.

Still, we all are proud of our own titled dogs and it is always interesting to compare them and discuss the criteria used for comparison. Again, I admit I am out of the loop these days, but still wondered what criteria is being used to put a Champion who beat a Champion over a Grand Champion who beat two

Jack

[ragedog10]

It is what it is in the end. A silly title makes no difference because regardless of who gets it there will always be someone who disagrees , a great one is a great and a dog cant read its something for mens ego's as we all have one to a point. Congrats to the winner. Yis Ole Man

[CrazyRed]

Well the biggest thing is simple, not many people report to any Mag especially folks who might not have the liberty as others to talk about much. The International SDJ is typically filled with stories from Chosen Few, so folks will say they are always in it and they always win DOY. I thought Homer Balboa had won it one year or they gave Vengeance the title one year but guess Chosen Few have won it a few times. At the same time, I know of several Chs & GrChs who might be deserving but never were reported to the magazine. I think the editor of that SDJ also mentioned that several were not entered. By saying Titere deserves it doesnt mean it's a knock on Siega just folks speaking up for their choice. Remember Siega might of only beat 1 Ch but she beat a Ch that was highly regarded by several countrymen from around the globe so I'm guess that's what got her the nod. Also folks will knock Titere for beating a dog that already quit before but also came up in weight to get Titere. Folks will also say he was hooked for Balboa but camp paid forfeit. Now granted he trying to get Balboa now but just saying folks can start slicing pies several different ways. Instead of automatically knocking a dog folks can still give congrats and show support for their dog. Doesnt always have to be negative and whether he is DOY or runner up or any of that it still it don't take nothing away from Titere who is a great dog.

[ragedog10]

The forfiet was paid for personal reasons, Balboa camp also paid a forfiet too. As for Omar they came a calling for Tietre and Omar DOA'd the one who lost to. Tietre last was one was into Bulldog, but like you said everyone is not going to agree a very dog one got it and thats a fact. Yis Ole Man

[bad dog]

It is what it is in the end. A silly title makes no difference because regardless of who gets it there will always be someone who disagrees , a great one is a great and a dog cant read its something for mens ego's as we all have one to a point. Congrats to the winner. Yis Ole Man


yea all that is true but we still all wanna know, lol

[ragedog10]

Well the biggest thing is simple, not many people report to any Mag especially folks who might not have the liberty as others to talk about much. The International SDJ is typically filled with stories from Chosen Few, so folks will say they are always in it and they always win DOY. I thought Homer Balboa had won it one year or they gave Vengeance the title one year but guess Chosen Few have won it a few times. At the same time, I know of several Chs & GrChs who might be deserving but never were reported to the magazine. I think the editor of that SDJ also mentioned that several were not entered. By saying Titere deserves it doesnt mean it's a knock on Siega just folks speaking up for their choice. Remember Siega might of only beat 1 Ch but she beat a Ch that was highly regarded by several countrymen from around the globe so I'm guess that's what got her the nod. Also folks will knock Titere for beating a dog that already quit before but also came up in weight to get Titere. Folks will also say he was hooked for Balboa but camp paid forfeit. Now granted he trying to get Balboa now but just saying folks can start slicing pies several different ways. Instead of automatically knocking a dog folks can still give congrats and show support for their dog. Doesnt always have to be negative and whether he is DOY or runner up or any of that it still it don't take nothing away from Titere who is a great dog. And just to let it be known grch Titere had been on grch balboa boots since number two and was told to go get a title! Wanted balboa for his championship! I think they are both great representation of every dog man's dream!

[Lasse]

The editor of the current SDJ is from Central/South East Europe and it's definitely not TCF's C. L. He has had Bulldogs in the past as he mentioned in SDJ issue June 2012 "Editor's Corner". Whether he is a dog man I don't know. If I remember right he once wrote that he doesn't own a bulldog for now. I like the magazine he publishes and think the editor has a good sense of humour. I also don't know of any other current "game dog magazine" on our beloved breed. If one doesn't like it just don't buy it or advise your suggestion to the editor, he can be reached through e-mail and is open to any constructive critic as he anounced in his magazine.

The choice for "dog man of the year" or "dog of the year" is always subjective as is the choice for what's good or bad in general.

Damn I didn't want to get philosophical.

[SDJ2010]

Let's get this straight because it's kind of obvious that some of you don't have a clue how this works! The DOY award is not a matter of opinion. It is solely based on information PROVIDED for the magazine. It's a simple STATISTICAL FACT. J.K. used this same method of calculation since 1993, in fact, he was the one who explained me how to do it. Maybe there were better dogs, but their shows were NEVER REPORTED, thats all! It's like waiting to win the lottery when you haven't bought a ticket...oh, and you're right: LC is NOT CL!

[Lasse]

Thank you for explaining how the awarding of D.O.Y. works. While we're on it, does the awarding of "dog man of the year" work the same as who has accomplished the most wins, shown the most dogs?

By the way will you release a SDJ year book 2013? If yes will it be full colour?

[SDJ2010]

Yes, the dogman of the year award is based on a very similar criteria, however it means more then just wins...it's more about what one did for the breed! There will be a "best of 2013" book, and yes, it will be full color!

[skipper]

thnx for clearing it up. no disrespect intended.

[SDJ2010]

thnx for clearing it up. no disrespect intended.

No offense taken :)

[SDJ2010]

Well the biggest thing is simple, not many people report to any Mag especially folks who might not have the liberty as others to talk about much. The International SDJ is typically filled with stories from Chosen Few, so folks will say they are always in it and they always win DOY. I thought Homer Balboa had won it one year or they gave Vengeance the title one year but guess Chosen Few have won it a few times. At the same time, I know of several Chs & GrChs who might be deserving but never were reported to the magazine. I think the editor of that SDJ also mentioned that several were not entered. By saying Titere deserves it doesnt mean it's a knock on Siega just folks speaking up for their choice. Remember Siega might of only beat 1 Ch but she beat a Ch that was highly regarded by several countrymen from around the globe so I'm guess that's what got her the nod. Also folks will knock Titere for beating a dog that already quit before but also came up in weight to get Titere. Folks will also say he was hooked for Balboa but camp paid forfeit. Now granted he trying to get Balboa now but just saying folks can start slicing pies several different ways. Instead of automatically knocking a dog folks can still give congrats and show support for their dog. Doesnt always have to be negative and whether he is DOY or runner up or any of that it still it don't take nothing away from Titere who is a great dog.

Well, I don't know what "typically" means in your world, but Chico wrote like 4 or 5 stories in total...keep in mind that I published 42 issues so far!

[Lasse]

Will the "best of 2013" book literally be a best of all only or will it be like the "SDJ Complete Year 2010, 2011,..." books you had published in recent years which were a wrap-up of all the 12 issues published in that particular year?

As far as C. L.'s stories are concerned. Two stories come to my mind when I think about stories written by C. L. One is on Gr. Ch. Chilindrina, the other one is on Gr. Ch. Bruno Boy. I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed reading them both. They have not been just a stringing together of their accomplishments but more like autobiographies on these particular dogs with some back round information as well. He describes what's going on before, around and after the show. People, travelling, life's hurdles, etc. Also I like his style of writing. Plus I think there are not too many dog people out there taking the time and effort to write anything at all, let alone come close the quality of his writings. It would be nice when more premier league dog man would write such nice long stories. Maybe then SDJ would not typically flood their magazine with stories by C. L. ;) So as for me I'm looking forward to read another interesting story by C. L. Not flattery intended.

[Officially Retired]

Will the "best of 2013" book literally be a best of all only or will it be like the "SDJ Complete Year 2010, 2011,..." books you had published in recent years which were a wrap-up of all the 12 issues published in that particular year?

As far as C. L.'s stories are concerned. Two stories come to my mind when I think about stories written by C. L. One is on Gr. Ch. Chilindrina, the other one is on Gr. Ch. Bruno Boy. I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed reading them both. They have not been just a stringing together of their accomplishments but more like autobiographies on these particular dogs with some back round information as well. He describes what's going on before, around and after the show. People, travelling, life's hurdles, etc. Also I like his style of writing. Plus I think there are not too many dog people out there taking the time and effort to write anything at all, let alone come close the quality of his writings. It would be nice when more premier league dog man would write such nice long stories. Maybe then SDJ would not typically flood their magazine with stories by C. L. ;) So as for me I'm looking forward to read another interesting story by C. L. Not flattery intended.


LMAO, I have taken more "time and effort" to write/create more truly helpful articles/videos/books/mags/products and APBT resources than Chico will ever dream to create and provide in his lifetime.
And not just self-stroking articles about "my" dogs, but all kinds of APBT resources that actually help ALL owners--and I have been doing this before Chico ever petted a bulldog ... and long after Chico's Tito Trinidad (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=33392) quit to my Ch Vengence (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=1126) ;)

Don't know how many of my articles here, on this database, that have been copied-n-pasted and added to SDJ's magazine (since he first asked me if he could over a year ago) ... but I do hope SDJ is at least gives me the credit for writing them ... and places a full-page ad for each issue of his mag that he runs one ... like he promised to ... for my telling him he could go ahead and do so.

Jack

[Lasse]

It wasn't my intend to get on the wrong side of you (Jack) nor any other dog man. What I want to say is in short that 1. the SDJ is not typically filled with articles by C. L. 2. I like the articles written by C. L. 3. It would be nice to have more active dog man write similar articles on their dogs accomplishments/show reports in a broader sense (jmo). I was NOT referring to any other articles on health, generall and overall care, etc. Maybe I should have made this clearer. Jack, I'm well aware that you have been around the dogs for a long time and that you have written a lot on our breed and health articles for all dog owners. Once again no offense intended.

SDJ gives you the credit you deserve for having written the articles he added to his magazine as I noticed full-page ads behind these articles.

[Officially Retired]

I wasn't offended by you, amigo, I was laughing at the idea that Chico has done "a lot for the breed" ... by writing a few articles for a mag about his own dogs.

If there was any offense, it would be directed toward the selection process of the magazine owner ... for coming to my database for no other reason than helping himself to all the material I have put together here over the last two decades ... so he can put it in his mag ... that I said, sure, he could have full access to ... and yet getting all warm and fuzzy over a no-class guy like Chico jerking himself off by writing 4 articles for the mag about his own dogs.

Still, even with that said, it's hard to decide between "being offended" and just laughing at the total cluelessness of the selection :lol:

Jack

[ragedog10]

It is what it is in the end. A silly title makes no difference because regardless of who gets it there will always be someone who disagrees , a great one is a great and a dog cant read its something for mens ego's as we all have one to a point. Congrats to the winner. Yis Ole Man one more for the ego! Lol Congratulations to both D.O.Y's for making history Congratulations to the man that bred GRCH Titere litter whom all have made their mark and every one in his litter his won! thanks to check panthro 4xw who is producing world class bulldog! Good looking to pit island with boomer(R.I.P) whom they said they didn't like the breeding (Redboy/Hammonds/chinaman but still allowed it to happen!

[Bulldogstalker]

Amen on your thoughts cl jack. Dude is self absorb fucking hypocrit. Runs his chops about not associating with thugs an lowlife an if you do your no good. He would nvr. He can't stand peddlers etc..but when he called himself open house or wutever he was a high dollar puppy peddling mofo. An the only ppl I ever saw with that open house bullshit was thugs an lowlifes. Dudes fake in certain aspects an thinks he's top dogman of the world cuz he goes here an there. I'm told he won't go to certain places in Mexico an he dam sure ain't gon travel here in the us except maybe Texas. Do
all that shit he preaches is irrelevant an crazy hypocritical.

[ragedog10]

What?

[Nut]

Chico matches more dogs a year overseas then 10 other americans together in 10 years. Yea, let's talk down on that man because he doesn;t come to some places in mexico.

[ragedog10]

Lol I guess it made sense to him Nut. How your boy looking? If u don't mind shoot me his ped in pm. Yis Ole Man

[Bulldogstalker]

Not tlk down on him about matching etc...he does his fair share of good things for the breed an I applaud him for that. Most of us should follow suit an do things as he. Jack. An others have done to better the breed an it's owners. But the dude can
Be a judgemental hypocrit on a lot things he preaches. To preach about having good character this an that an then turn around an judge the living fuck outta ppl isNt good character. The way I was brought up. You preach it. You be what you preach 100000 % an don't Throw stones from you glass house. Example:: he was cool with a friend of mine an chatted with him quite often an then He seen he accepted a friend request from sum1 he felt is a bad guy an trashed tlkd my buddy, blocked him on Fb like a child. To do sumn so petty after you tell everyone character this an that. Be upstanding an an dont be lowlife or hang with them an then do hypocritical things shows that maybe your character is questionable to an extent.

[Bulldogstalker]

An jus becuz one has money to travel doesn't make them Any type of superior of a dogman. An no matter if it's over seas or where ever. Best in the world is in the u.s. An Mexico period. No1 tops these two an nvr will.

[Officially Retired]

Not tlk down on him about matching etc...he does his fair share of good things for the breed an I applaud him for that. Most of us should follow suit an do things as he. Jack. An others have done to better the breed an it's owners. But the dude can
Be a judgemental hypocrit on a lot things he preaches. To preach about having good character this an that an then turn around an judge the living fuck outta ppl isNt good character. The way I was brought up. You preach it. You be what you preach 100000 % an don't Throw stones from you glass house. Example:: he was cool with a friend of mine an chatted with him quite often an then He seen he accepted a friend request from sum1 he felt is a bad guy an trashed tlkd my buddy, blocked him on Fb like a child. To do sumn so petty after you tell everyone character this an that. Be upstanding an an dont be lowlife or hang with them an then do hypocritical things shows that maybe your character is questionable to an extent.


Chico is a piece of shit, plain and simple.

He lies, steals, posts photos of dead dogs online, and is an all around tactless sub-human scumbag.

Who give a flying fog if he "matches lots of dogs" ... he uses someone else's money to bet with.

I could go on and on, but he is the poster child for the term "bad sport" ...

Matching lots of dogs doesn't mean a thing, really.

Bottom line: Chico is the last person on earth who should be giving lessons on Character or Conduct ... unless it's as an example of how not to do things.