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[stopem]

in 3 years i'm going to be starting a line of dogs. i've noticed that not too many people talk about burns dogs anymore. well i have some pure burns dogs and some that are crossed out with some raw hide dogs. they are some good all around dogs. give me some time and i think they will be something to talk about in the future.477478479

[CYJ]

In my younger days got to spend some good quality time with Mr. Burns and the rest of the Charleston dog men. I have been to some strange places in those swamps. Was very glad Mr. Burns/Tant/Braddock/Bo Harris knew the way back out. LOL

Mr. Burns was up in age when he got into some good dogs with the Jocko/Red boy/ Yellow John dogs. Mr. Burns was fun to be around and kept you laughing. He and R. Braddock were always back and forth at each other but were fast friends. LOL Mr. Burns liked the Game Chickens also. Very nice looking dogs, sure they can get er done. Cheers

[CYJ]

In case you fellow's have ever wondered what the V. Jackson's Hank dog looked like. Just pull up the picture/pedigree of GR CH Havana Boy's Rodney on this site. The Jackson's Hank dog was built like this dog with a very similar head type. The only difference between the two dogs was be; that the Hank dog had a deeper more fuller chest depth wise.

I have seen a picture of a dog listed on another site with V. Jackson's Hank dog's pedigree. That is not a picture of the Jackson's Hank dog. May be Jocko or one of Tant/Chavis/Burns dogs. Vernon for as I know does not have any pictures of ole Hank. The only way V. Jackson's Hank can hurt a pedigree is not be in it. Cheers

[stopem]

i never had a chance to meet him. i was going to buy some dogs off of big head years ago, kind of glad i didnt. these stumpy bred hounds are alot better than i expected. i run hounds from the deacon and purchase these hounds to get me through til my pups out of the deacon stuff were of age but im really loving these burns dogs. they dont have mike tyson behind them but they are roy jones. im not a big jeep fan but this rawhide/cottingham cross worked real good with it. im about ready to throw my eggs in that basket

[AmberLamps]

How are those dogs in the pictures bred?

[CYJ]

I got to see Jocko and Argo perform. Jocko got bred a lot more but I really liked the Argo dog. Argo was a very well built dog and a beautiful red color with black nose and black eyes.

Argo was a favorite along with Jocko, with Scotty McNeil. Scotty saw Argo's last match which was a very hard pulling dog show. Both dogs looked so much a like was hard to tell who was doing who.

This was just Scotty's opinion since I was not there to judge for myself. He told me he felt the old warrior was not brought in at his best condition. Was another gambling sacrifice similar to what happen to Ozzie's Homer dog. Still both dogs were great dogs and went the distance. One had to lose and one to win. Thrift's Bumper was a great pit dog in it's own right. Cheers

[stopem]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=31593
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=31342
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=31339

[CYJ]

If you going in that direction. Look at the Woodal's Weird Jack dog or a good male off him. Some very well made up dogs like you already have. If they are good game dogs.

I am not in the know about all these newer blood lines. But to be a good performer they need to be built to perform. Need deep lungs, strong back end and a strong neck. One can try to be game, but when muscle exhaustion and muscle weakness sets in. May not be long before the Fat Lady sings. LOL Cheers

[Limey Kennels]

We have some Lk x Burns stumpy crosses walking around.. just google pedigree limey kennels Red Bull and his ofspring.

[CrazyRed]

I'm really interested in that Burns stuff you got there especially the stuff crossed with the Jeep stuff in it. Where is all the old Burns & Crews blood at?

[waccamaw]

15738 WACCAMAW'S BIG JOHN 4 M WACCAMAW'S BIG JOHN 3 WACCAMAW'S CHICORA WACCAMAW KENNELS WACCAMAW KENNELS

Check out this ped our dogs also have Argo in them .

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=12393

[MRBLUEPRINT]

I don't personally use the Burn's bred RBJ blood but, I like the Bumper, JR and Tant's Roho stuff. If I knew then what I know now I would gotten with Aycart and tried to obtain something from that Bumper x Hollingsworth's Dolly cross.

I've crossed it in my my Boyles' blood coming from Jake and Fargo with the Yazoo Cody coming off Baby Lively and had good results.

You should be on the right track, over the years I've had many dogs from several different lines and I've seen good and I've seen bad. I've had the Jake/Fargo/Baby Lively for almost 15 years now and I got good results from it then but, when I went to adding in quality RBJ...everything changed. I had mouth, and heart and wasn't really lacking anything but, I wanted to experiment. When I did it was like hitting that nitrous button on a drag car. Be true to your hounds and yourself, keep the key traits in mind and always breed for them. Don't let yourself get so attached that you just keep hounds because you like them, make sure they are what they suppose to be. With hard work, determination AND a strict set of guide lines and a lot of effort...You can accomplish success. Best of wishes to you and your Burns' bred hounds. I've seen some good ones myself over the years.

The bottom side of these couple right here, I know about almost each and every dog in the first four and some of the ones farther back.

This was the first time I added in a little RBJ. When Hardcore B passed away Big M gave Marlboro to me and I bred him to almost every female I had and got some good results.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=27692

After I saw how they turned out adding in just a touch,....I wanted to go a little heavier. I had a guy holding this male and he lied to me and sold him behind my back and told me he was dead. There were only two in the litter and both turned out to Dahmer almost everything they snatch hold of. Bumper, Wiggles and Wiggles II, JR and Roho I see in a lot of successful hounds and lines. Mr Burns ,Waccamaw, The Chosen Few, CML and Clay Hill along with many others have had great success with dogs coming down from these.

This was as close as I could get on my own to the Bumper x Hollingsworth's Dolly cross. Only two were born in this litter and both of them doa almost everything they touched. My Yeti dog was stolen and I've just recently found out the truth and maybe where he is now.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=27640

Sorry for the ranting,....I do wish you the very best. Those are some nice bred hounds you have there. Good luck :hatsoff:

[Blueprint]

I love my Bumper X Dolly male. He's getting old but was all bulldog in his prime. Always wanted to breed him to a Burns bitch. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=16860 Good luck with your dogs bro.

[MRBLUEPRINT]

I love my Bumper X Dolly male. He's getting old but was all bulldog in his prime. Always wanted to breed him to a Burns bitch. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=16860 Good luck with your dogs bro.


Nice one my man!... That's one that I would like to take my stuff back to and add in a little more. :hatsoff:

[stopem]

for years i have ran the crews rocky dogs. i was just going to experiment with these but they have it all. wac, i have always watch your blood. love it. mr blueprint, im a fan of hollingsworth dogs as well but its hard to find good honest blood and not just pedigrees. Im going to make a breeding with the lil mighty dog back to redhide after she is done and just cross the best pups to sho nuf and hallie berry if they finish with honors. i think its just enough jeep in these dogs ped so i will probably never add anymore. not a big jeep/ tab fan. 1/8 is all you need of that blood

[Jrbulldogs]

check out this pic of stumpy
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=362&catid=member&imageuser=2

[swampdawg]

I gave away some pure Burns hounds last yr.game but not to smart.Mr.B used to say thats what made them game,they never knew when they were behind.I still have a few but been crossing to some bolio blood.Seems to give them alittle more . Sense.

[stopem]

mine seem to have smarts.

[MRBLUEPRINT]

I gave away some pure Burns hounds last yr.game but not to smart.Mr.B used to say thats what made them game,they never knew when they were behind.I still have a few but been crossing to some bolio blood.Seems to give them alittle more . Sense.


Ain't that the truth..lol
Mr.Burns use to say ..."I like game,dumb dogs. If they are to smart, they will think of a way to quit. The dumb ones just keep going.

Share a ped with us swampdawg or send one to my pm. I'm curios to see the breakdown that's working for you.

[Officially Retired]

Ain't that the truth..lol
Mr.Burns use to say ..."I like game,dumb dogs. If they are to smart, they will think of a way to quit. The dumb ones just keep going.

Share a ped with us swampdawg or send one to my pm. I'm curios to see the breakdown that's working for you.


Sorry, Mr. Burns is absolutely wrong. He is confusing a smart cur for a smart game dog ...

Smart, game dogs are the way to go ... because they figure out a way TO WIN, not quit :pirate:

Anyone who doesn't believe intelligence is an asset is an idiot himself.
I love people who think like that, because they lose to my dogs every time ...

My dogs have smashed so many one-dimensional, (supposedly-) game, super-aggressive dogs it's almost a proverb.

Word :idea:

Jack

[swampdawg]

Sorry, Mr. Burns is absolutely wrong. He is confusing a smart cur for a smart game dog ...

Smart, game dogs are the way to go ... because they figure out a way TO WIN, not quit :pirate:

Anyone who doesn't believe intelligence is an asset is an idiot himself.
I love people who think like that, because they lose to my dogs every time ...

My dogs have smashed so many one-dimensional, (supposedly-) game, super-aggressive dogs it's almost a proverb.

Word :idea:

Jack

He was old school jack.he never altered anything.he used to feed the same amount of feed from the same scoop regardless if the dog was 30lbs or 60lbs.i used to help feed them sometimes and give the thinner dogs 2 scoops of feed and he would give me a look and I knew he didnt like that but he never said anything about it.

[Tarheel]

I got to see Jocko and Argo perform. Jocko got bred a lot more but I really liked the Argo dog. Argo was a very well built dog and a beautiful red color with black nose and black eyes.

Argo was a favorite along with Jocko, with Scotty McNeil. Scotty saw Argo's last match which was a very hard pulling dog show. Both dogs looked so much a like was hard to tell who was doing who.

This was just Scotty's opinion since I was not there to judge for myself. He told me he felt the old warrior was not brought in at his best condition. Was another gambling sacrifice similar to what happen to Ozzie's Homer dog. Still both dogs were great dogs and went the distance. One had to lose and one to win. Thrift's Bumper was a great pit dog in it's own right. Cheers

I agree Johnny...I thought Argo was a much better dog...but Bumper was too much that day. I wish those dogs had been bred to some other lines...I know it clicked with Red Boy but I certainly would have loved to get bred to some of my old stock....I should have bred to that Joker dog at Sonny's :( If I could do it all again...

[Officially Retired]

He was old school jack.he never altered anything.he used to feed the same amount of feed from the same scoop regardless if the dog was 30lbs or 60lbs.i used to help feed them sometimes and give the thinner dogs 2 scoops of feed and he would give me a look and I knew he didnt like that but he never said anything about it.


You're being polite using the word "old school" on someone who doesn't have the sense to feed different-sized dogs different amounts of food ... IMO different terminology for this would be more accurate ... but it only confirms my impression.

I realize there is a lot of "general respect" for some of these old-timers, so I will leave it at that, but I've met enough of them to realize that many really just got famous cause they got their hands on some good dogs.

Jack

[swampdawg]

Crazyred,its still around and available if you know the right people to get it from.Most people I know wont let any go.

[waccamaw]

Sorry, Mr. Burns is absolutely wrong. He is confusing a smart cur for a smart game dog ...

Smart, game dogs are the way to go ... because they figure out a way TO WIN, not quit :pirate:

Anyone who doesn't believe intelligence is an asset is an idiot himself.
I love people who think like that, because they lose to my dogs every time ...

My dogs have smashed so many one-dimensional, (supposedly-) game, super-aggressive dogs it's almost a proverb.

Word :idea:

Jack

It is not that he was saying the dogs were stupid and couldn't figure a hog out ,what he was meaning ( if one was to smart ) he would figure away to get out of harms way .everybody has their on beliefs on a game dog .i personally think a lot of gameness comes from health and conditioning as much as up to 80%. Mr burns did have a good eye .kinda miss the ole man .

[Officially Retired]

It is not that he was saying the dogs were stupid and couldn't figure a hog out ,what he was meaning ( if one was to smart ) he would figure away to get out of harms way .

Figuring how to get out of harm's way is a good thing, so long as they're also figuring out how to win.

A dog that doesn't have the sense NOT to get hurt will lose to a world class dog that knows how to hurt him.




everybody has their on beliefs on a game dog .i personally think a lot of gameness comes from health and conditioning as much as up to 80%. Mr burns did have a good eye .kinda miss the ole man .

True, and good point.

[MRBLUEPRINT]

You're being polite using the word "old school" on someone who doesn't have the sense to feed different-sized dogs different amounts of food ... IMO different terminology for this would be more accurate ... but it only confirms my impression.

I realize there is a lot of "general respect" for some of these old-timers, so I will leave it at that, but I've met enough of them to realize that many really just got famous cause they got their hands on some good dogs.

Jack

I agree with that. There's a local man around here that was asked to hold some pretty decent hounds for a man that was having trouble with AC back a few years ago. He had a lot of people fooled into thinking he had many many years in the hounds just by having these hounds that belonged to another man. It did work in his favor though, after a couple years he started meeting the right people and making a name for himself. I can't say he made a good name for himself locally but,...he did make a name for himself. I think it had a lot to do with that one statement that you just made...Hopefully you won't mind me quoting you

I realize there is a lot of "general respect" for some of these old-timers.

In his case it wasn't so much he was an old timer in the same sense as people say Mt.Man was an old timer, he was just a much older guy so...It was a lot easier for him to convince a lot of the people he met into believing he was an "old timer". In turn they seemed to respect him.

Now, I can't say I agree with Mr.Burns and his dumb/intelligent theory. I've never fed a hound that came off his yard and I don't think I've had one with his name in it.

[stopem]

Well i dont think he would've liked my dogs cause sho nuf will hurt rabbits, squuirels, deer, etc... he can open doors and he will seat in a front seat of a truck like he human. hallie berry is super box smart and will not get hurt and lil mighty knows how to finish a hog quick. i've seen the ones that get beat down and still think that they are winning but not these which is why im going to do some breeding with them.

[swampdawg]

Never said I didnt like them,just dont think there the smartest ive ever seen.MrB was like a father to me, but he fed his dogs and I didnt question his actions.There rugged,durable and can take probably more than most will ever take before stopping.I still feed a few.

[Officially Retired]

in 3 years i'm going to be starting a line of dogs. i've noticed that not too many people talk about burns dogs anymore. well i have some pure burns dogs and some that are crossed out with some raw hide dogs. they are some good all around dogs. give me some time and i think they will be something to talk about in the future.477478479

Lines are always based on individuals, not "human names."

Whether you linebreed on a particular dog from Burns ... or from a particular dog (or dogs) that you have, pure or mixed," to establish a line means (literally) to LINEbreed on some dog (or dogs).

For instance, I linebred on Poncho.
David Tant linebred on Yellow.
Boyles linebred on Dirty Mary.

Some key dog needs to stand out in your mind, as truly superior, and then you will want to start breeding this dog ... and then forming breeding patterns around that dog ... either by breeding that dog back to his daughters, his mother, or breeding his sons/daughters together, etc.

However, you want to be selective as to the traits these dogs have ... you want to maintain the traits of that key dog (not just his name) ... and I know you know what I mean :)

Here is an indepth article I wrote on The Art of Breeding Dogs (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/content.php?171) ... it's long, but it's worth the read.

Jack