what are these?

[Ape09]

Had one rarely eating and drinking little over a week to me it looks like symptoms of babesia we got him eating and drinking a little more now but his piss looks like this . The little bubble looking things are some type of little slime balls can someone tell me what this is thanks

[Nut]

Have you checked the other symtons of babesia? What's the color of the gumbs?

[Officially Retired]

Had one rarely eating and drinking little over a week to me it looks like symptoms of babesia we got him eating and drinking a little more now but his piss looks like this . The little bubble looking things are some type of little slime balls can someone tell me what this is thanks


If he has been "rarely eating and drinking," then why on earth have you not taken him to A VET???

Did it ever dawn on you that that's what vets are for ... to diagnose and help with problems you can't handle yourself?

If your dogs gums are pale, and he's pissing orange, than YES I would say it's babesia.

As for those lumps, it could be albumen in the urine, which is a sign of kidney damage. In fact, your dog could be suffering from kidney failure for all I know.
FrostyPaws might be able to shed more light in this aspect.

But to sit there with a dog that won't eat or drink for A WEEK is flat-out irresponsible and negligent.

That is YOUR JOB as an owner ... to take your dog to a vet when it is seriously ill and when you don't know what it is ... and you are failing at your job as owner every second you just sit there.

That dog needs a blood test, a urine test, and (most likely) fluid/blood replacement.

After that, when a diagnosis is given, you can actually get a plan of action. But no way should any dog just "sit there" and not be eating and drinking.

It is extremely HOT outside, and that dog will needs FLUIDS if he's not drinking much, and BLOOD, if he's severely anemic.

Jack

[evolutionkennels]

you need to take to the vet. Period. if you have imozol on hand, give him 1.25 cc for a 50 pounder. if you have dogs , You should have imozol in your medicine cabinet, along with doxycycline, clavamox, and Ponazuril.

[evolutionkennels]

If he has been "rarely eating and drinking," then why on earth have you not taken him to A VET???

Did it ever dawn on you that that's what vets are for ... to diagnose and help with problems you can't handle yourself?

If your dogs gums are pale, and he's pissing orange, than YES I would say it's babesia.

As for those lumps, it could be albumen in the urine, which is a sign of kidney damage. In fact, your dog could be suffering from kidney failure for all I know.
FrostyPaws might be able to shed more light in this aspect.

But to sit there with a dog that won't eat or drink for A WEEK is flat-out irresponsible and negligent.

That is YOUR JOB as an owner ... to take your dog to a vet when it is seriously ill and when you don't know what it is ... and you are failing at your job as owner every second you just sit there.

That dog needs a blood test, a urine test, and (most likely) fluid/blood replacement.

After that, when a diagnosis is given, you can actually get a plan of action. But no way should any dog just "sit there" and not be eating and drinking.

It is extremely HOT outside, and that dog will needs FLUIDS if he's not drinking much, and BLOOD, if he's severely anemic.

Jack

agreed, YOU TAKE YOUR DOG TO THE VET THE FIRST DAY IT DOESN'T EAT, NOT AFTER A WEEK.


if your son or daughter didn't eat and was pissing orange.... would you wait a week? then why wait with the dog?

[CRISIS]

ahh man, now this shits gonna have me worrying about my dog...... his gums are healthy, he eats & drinks regularely... and is as lively as they come.... BUT, he does piss really dark orange....... should i be worried??

[evolutionkennels]

ahh man, now this shits gonna have me worrying about my dog...... his gums are healthy, he eats & drinks regularely... and is as lively as they come.... BUT, he does piss really dark orange....... should i be worried??



a simple blood test kills all worry

[Nut]

Well guys, not everyone has a trusted vet and some dogs have to much scars or other signs of fighting to take em in.

I do agree that you need to have those medicine on stock and the question comes quiet late.

[CRISIS]

good call.... thats lookin like the plan.....

[Officially Retired]

Well guys, not everyone has a trusted vet and some dogs have to much scars or other signs of fighting to take em in.
I do agree that you need to have those medicine on stock and the question comes quiet late.


Anyone who doesn't have a trusted vet isn't much of a dogman. That is the first thing to look for.

I have lived in CA, FL, GA, and TN over the last 25 years ... and I always found a trustworthy vet anywhere I was at.

The only people who don't have a trusted vet, as far as any dogmen I know, are those who don't give enough of a shit and so don't bother to do the necessary investigation to find one.

I have traveled 3 hours at times, because that's how far a "good vet" was from me at one point ... but I knew where one was, and I traveled to him several times for various reasons when I had to.

So that is a crock of shit as far as I am concerned, because good vets are out there.

It's all a matter of the owner's determination to find them :idea:

Jack

BOTTOM LINE: I could go anywhere in the world, make a few phone calls to good dogmen in that area, and have the contact information for a good, dogman-friendly vet anywhere I got off the plane. And I could have this information within a few hours IFFF I gave enough of a shit to ask the right questions to the right people.

[Officially Retired]

agreed, YOU TAKE YOUR DOG TO THE VET THE FIRST DAY IT DOESN'T EAT, NOT AFTER A WEEK.
if your son or daughter didn't eat and was pissing orange.... would you wait a week? then why wait with the dog?


Exactly. Being a good dogman takes a little more than just tossing food at your dogs and rolling them every time the scabs fall off from the last one ...

[Ape09]

i appreciate the concerns and the help . the dog is not with me he is at a buddy yard in the house. we dont have any trusted vets in the area im in and if i was to bring him in might have some trouble getting him back if you know what i mean . ive had these problem before with one and i did a couple things i learned from others and bounced them back . my buddy told me he was acting a little different and that he was still eating and drinking water but not as much so i didnt think much of it just maybe he was getting adjusted to where he at. now when i get out to see him i see the same symptoms i seen in one other one i had only thing different was the little slime stones . thats y i asked never seen it before dont get me wrong i will take one to the vet fast but im all about hands on for my self if possible and i try to avoid (the vets in my area) again thanks for the information and any more

[loot]

Maybe you can find a vet tech. that will help you. There is a website called ask a vet. I guess its better then doing nothing.

[Ape09]

Thanks and doing nothing is definitely not the plan

[loot]

I'm sure it isn't. You at least asked for help here.

[Officially Retired]

i appreciate the concerns and the help . the dog is not with me he is at a buddy yard in the house. we dont have any trusted vets in the area im in and if i was to bring him in might have some trouble getting him back if you know what i mean . ive had these problem before with one and i did a couple things i learned from others and bounced them back . my buddy told me he was acting a little different and that he was still eating and drinking water but not as much so i didnt think much of it just maybe he was getting adjusted to where he at. now when i get out to see him i see the same symptoms i seen in one other one i had only thing different was the little slime stones . thats y i asked never seen it before dont get me wrong i will take one to the vet fast but im all about hands on for my self if possible and i try to avoid (the vets in my area) again thanks for the information and any more

I have PM'd FrostyPaws about this, as he is studying in the medical field and may be able to offer better info than I can.

If it's not straight babesia, then I am suspecting kidney failure.

How old is he?
What is be being fed?
Does he get enough water?

There is debate on this, but I am 100% positive that those super-high-protein diets (and sometimes cheap kibble) can lead to kidney failure ... especially if there's not enough water available.

Good luck,

Jack

PS: Call any/all good dogmen, local to your friend's area, and you should be able come up with a good vet somewhere within a reasonable drive.

[Ape09]

Ok thanks fellas and jack appreciate the pm to frostypaws he a little over a year and yes he is on low grade kibble where he being kept at the time but plans to change to raw is in effect as of now .this is him not to long ago

[FrostyPaws]

I've never seen urine with "slime balls" in it. Look more like bubbles. Could be some type of sediment, and if you're having enough sediment to be seen by the naked eye, the dog needs a vet. If it were kidney failure, a lot of times urine output is close to nothing (depending how far along it is) or it's simply a light color like most urine due to the kidneys not filtering at all. The urine I've seen from babesia has always been a little darker than that, and it was always frothy, but it's not exactly easy to determine coloration. If the dog hasn't been eating/drinking, my first inclination is babesia also, especially if there is dark, frothy urine and orange colored stools.

[S_B]

I feel a little detail here is warranted concerning "orange stool".

The stool isn't actually orange, its dark colored like most turds are. The "orange" coloration is inside the stool which can be noticed after the stool dries somewhat. Also note the turd is very fiberous looking, or tarry. It isn't formed solid like normal.

I always referred to it as looking like "pumpkin" stool...similar in color and consistency.

It is important not to over feed a dog with babesia as well. The lowered red count makes it more difficult for them to process their meals. Small more frequent feeding of a bland diet is best. Fresh liver does wonders as well.

I noticed this orange coloration myself back in the early 2000's, my partner didn't believe me, nor did my buddy who was a vet tech for 28 years. Babesia was fairly new to the screen here then and was believed to have been brought here by CH Sassy Boy after he was shipped back from overseas.

Anyhow, I believe Jack has touched on this very subject somewhere on this database. Good luck.

S_B

P.S. If your dog is only a little over a year, and has been free of ticks and flies. And not had contact with another dog, babesia may not be your culprit.

[Ape09]

Thanks guys my buddy taking took him in for the test 300 buck almost frostypaws if the word you are using "frothy " means like a cream milky look my buddy said he seen that to in the urine but according to him it was less lately thats makes me nervous but I guess will find out thanks for the help again

[FrostyPaws]

Babesia could very well be the culprit also as it's passed from mother to offspring, just for clarification.

[SteelyDan]

Some times not all the symptoms you see are primary. They could be secondary and multiple things may need to be prescribed. Diagnosing is not an easy thing to do without the help of a vet.

Some times in a UTI the mucous lining I'm the bladder will shed and show up in your dogs urine. Clearly their is more going on with your dogs over all health. It could be a symptom of a primary or secondary problem. Related or unrelated.

Say it was a uti because of an imbalance in the kidneys from a prolonged bout with babesia? Doxy would have a double use there if that was the prescribed treatment. Sometimes effective when used with berenil for babesia and effective on UTI's also. That should give you some information on treatments to consult your vet with. A vet trip for me entails already researched my dogs symptoms, possible diagnosis and prescribed treatments for such things that are experimental or traditional. Then going over everything with the vet. It helps a lot when consulting with your vet to be prepared.

[loot]

Thanks guys my buddy taking took him in for the test 300 buck almost frostypaws if the word you are using "frothy " means like a cream milky look my buddy said he seen that to in the urine but according to him it was less lately thats makes me nervous but I guess will find out thanks for the help again

What did the vet say? Hope it was good news.