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MISTER
07-31-2014, 01:50 PM
I WAS HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH A FRIEND OF MINE ND THE TOPIC CAME UP BOUT HOW THE RED RED NOSE MALES DOWN FROM PONCHO SEEM TO GO STERILE EARLY IN LIFE. HAVE YOU NOTICED THIS OVER THE YEARS? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

PS. IT'S AN OPEN DISCUSSION SO ANYONE CAN CHIME IN

Officially Retired
07-31-2014, 02:24 PM
I would say no, it's not a universal truth.

It *was* certainly true for dogs like Stormbringer (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=211) and Pretty Boy (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10137) ...

But it was NOT true for dogs like Thunder (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=179) and Duke Nukem (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=348) ...

Thunder's sperm was tested at 11 years old ... and had a 600,000 sperm count ... while Stormbringer was shooting blanks by 5 years of age.

Thunder was a well-kept house dog and could produce till the day he died at 12 years of age ... while Stormbringer was fought/rolled constantly before I had him, and had infections and other problems ongoing all the time (so was that genetic or circumstantial, I don't know?).

I would say any of my dogs (or any dogs down from Hollingsworth stock) that are fed kibble, and fought often, will have a VERY SHORT breeding career.
Their fertility *IS* severely affected by corn-based foods ... which is why I tell so many BOZOS **not** to feed my dogs kibble (but who listens?).

It has also been my experience, that any of my dogs fed raw (like *I* say to feed them, not some incomplete spin off it), and allowed to heal fully, will have a completely normal and full stud career :idea:

Jack

PS: Of the dogs above, I would say only Pretty Boy had truly genetic infertility, as he always had BBs for balls ...

The other dogs were ALL normal (except Stormy) ... and he was perfectly fertile early on ... but was fed shit food most of his life, and was constantly being banged-up, too often and too much during his life, by Leon. He always had a constant tooth infection from gum damage, and THAT (more than genetics) is why his breeding career stopped short.

MISTER
07-31-2014, 05:07 PM
I would say no, it's not a universal truth.

It *was* certainly true for dogs like Stormbringer (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=211) and Pretty Boy (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10137) ...

But it was NOT true for dogs like Thunder (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=179) and Duke Nukem (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=348) ...

Thunder's sperm was tested at 11 years old ... and had a 600,000 sperm count ... while Stormbringer was shooting blanks by 5 years of age.

Thunder was a well-kept house dog and could produce till the day he died at 12 years of age ... while Stormbringer was fought/rolled constantly before I had him, and had infections and other problems ongoing all the time (so was that genetic or circumstantial, I don't know?).

I would say any of my dogs (or any dogs down from Hollingsworth stock) that are fed kibble, and fought often, will have a VERY SHORT breeding career.
Their fertility *IS* severely affected by corn-based foods ... which is why I tell so many BOZOS **not** to feed my dogs kibble (but who listens?).

It has also been my experience, that any of my dogs fed raw (like *I* say to feed them, not some incomplete spin off it), and allowed to heal fully, will have a completely normal and full stud career :idea:

Jack

PS: Of the dogs above, I would say only Pretty Boy had truly genetic infertility, as he always had BBs for balls ...

The other dogs were ALL normal (except Stormy) ... and he was perfectly fertile early on ... but was fed shit food most of his life, and was constantly being banged-up, too often and too much during his life, by Leon. He always had a constant tooth infection from gum damage, and THAT (more than genetics) is why his breeding career stopped short.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING BRO, WELL MY STUD IS RETIRED ND WILL NO LONGER SEE ANY ACTION AS HES PROVED EVERYTHING HE'S NEEDED TO PROVE. AS FAR AS CORN BASED FEED, NOBODY ON MY YARD EATS THAT EITHER LOL.... IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT STUCK WITH ME SINCE ME ND MY BUDDY HAD THAT CONVO... SOMETHING LIKE A SMALL THORN IN YOUR FINGER, IT JUST NAGS AT YOU. I FIGURED I'D ASK YOU. I KNOW NUTRITION IS VERY IMPORTANT ND I KNEW STORMY WAS STERILE EARLY BUT DIDNT KNOW WHY HE DID... AGAIN THANKS MY FRIEND FOR YOUR TIME ND FOR SHARING

Officially Retired
07-31-2014, 05:44 PM
THANK YOU FOR SHARING BRO, WELL MY STUD IS RETIRED ND WILL NO LONGER SEE ANY ACTION AS HES PROVED EVERYTHING HE'S NEEDED TO PROVE. AS FAR AS CORN BASED FEED, NOBODY ON MY YARD EATS THAT EITHER LOL....

Can your stud produce?

What are you feeding?




IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT STUCK WITH ME SINCE ME ND MY BUDDY HAD THAT CONVO... SOMETHING LIKE A SMALL THORN IN YOUR FINGER, IT JUST NAGS AT YOU. I FIGURED I'D ASK YOU.

Well, glad you asked.

No reason to let it "stick" with you ... and it's always better to ask the guy who's fed the most dogs of any line, which would be me :)

I would actually agree in some respects, as the rednose dogs do seem to be more hyper-sensitive than buckskins.

But that is not a trait of "my" line, per se, but just of being a rednose in general.

It's like humans having red hair makes red-headed people more sensitive to sun, etc.

But they can live/produce as long as any other, if given shade (out of the sun) and fed properly.





I KNOW NUTRITION IS VERY IMPORTANT ND I KNEW STORMY WAS STERILE EARLY BUT DIDNT KNOW WHY HE DID... AGAIN THANKS MY FRIEND FOR YOUR TIME ND FOR SHARING

Nutrition may not be "everything," but is pretty close to everything.

But you're welcome.

Wish I had my hands on Stormy for his whole life, knowing back then in 1995 when he was born ... what I do now in 2014 nearly 20 years later ... lotta great things would have happened with him that didn't.

Good luck with yours,

Jack