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[Bromboy]

What Crosses well into the Rufus/alligator blood?

[Officially Retired]

Why is your first thought to "cross" :confused:

Why does everyone want to "cross this" and "cross that"?

Yeah, sure, let's take someone else's lifetime of work, selection, and genetic refinement ... and just arbitrarily (mindlessly) "cross" all those hand-selected traits right out the window :rolleyes: ~X(

Why don't you breed the line pure ... and do this long enough so you actually can LEARN about it?

Therefore, why don't you ask, "What is the best source of pure Alligator/Rufus blood?", and then work with these dogs for awhile?

Get your bearings with the line FIRST :idea:

How the hell can you make a decision as to what to cross with any line, until you FIRST have the best representatives of that line, understand their strengths & weaknesses, and then can you can make your own intelligent decision as to what they might need (if anything)?

You might discover that, after you select well within the line, that you don't need to "cross" a GD thing, you can just reliably and consistently get great dogs with what you're already feeding and breeding :idea:

Jack

[mmound]

Makes a lot of sense.

[Nut]

Yea i know someone who kept breeding them pure, lot's of succes :-SS

Nice topic titel btw. That really helps.

[Officially Retired]

Makes a lot of sense.


I went through a bunch of "Patrick dogs" with my own eyes (and researched a bunch of history on these dogs via discussing certain individuals with the old timers that matched them) before I began to see a pattern and understood what the best and highest-percentage individuals were.

I then bred my own key animal, whose whole litter were "a cut above" everything else I had personally seen from this line at that point. Because if this individual's superiority, I then began a program on that dog, bred to bitches of his basic line, who themselves made the grade and who exhibited the traits I was after. That was about 5-6 years of exclusively working with one line, before I had the beginnings of direction as to where I wanted to go ...

And then, only after 10 more years of breeding, selection, and carrying forward with this line did I truly become an "expert" within my own bloodline ... and, in a sense, of Patrick dogs in general ... only to find out that the grandsire to my dog was really a Boomer/Carver dog :lol:

But at least I became an expert on my own line ... and carried on with it for another 10 years before I had enough of these dogs and the crap that goes with them :idea:

During my active breeding years, I found that certain purebred dogs of mine needed crosses, while certain purebred aspects of my line did NOT, and were *still* the best GD dogs I have ever seen, not to mention whipped every "cross" I have ever personally seen of my line, as I went through everything.

The point I am making is you can't just fall off the turnip truck, grab "a" dog of "a" line ... and start "crossing it up," randomly, with no game plan, and expect "instant success" ... as if breeding great dogs is a game of crapshoot or rolling the dice.

You need to make a commitment to ONE line, PUT THE TIME IN, get to know it, weed out the bad, develop the good, BEFORE you can even know IF it need a cross ... and WHY (if so).

And, again, if you develop the right individuals, you might come to learn you never need to cross at all.

Good luck,

Jack

[evolutionkennels]

I went through a bunch of "Patrick dogs" with my own eyes (and researched a bunch of history on these dogs via discussing certain individuals with the old timers that matched them) before I began to see a pattern and understood what the best and highest-percentage individuals were.

I then bred my own key animal, whose whole litter were "a cut above" everything else I had personally seen from this line at that point. Because if this individual's superiority, I then began a program on that dog, bred to bitches of his basic line, who themselves made the grade and who exhibited the traits I was after. That was about 5-6 years of exclusively working with one line, before I had the beginnings of direction as to where I wanted to go ...

And then, only after 10 more years of breeding, selection, and carrying forward with this line did I truly become an "expert" within my own bloodline ... and, in a sense, of Patrick dogs in general ... only to find out that the grandsire to my dog was really a Boomer/Carver dog :lol:

But at least I became an expert on my own line ... and carried on with it for another 10 years before I had enough of these dogs and the crap that goes with them :idea:

During my active breeding years, I found that certain purebred dogs of mine needed crosses, while certain purebred aspects of my line did NOT, and were *still* the best GD dogs I have ever seen, not to mention whipped every "cross" I have ever personally seen of my line, as I went through everything.

The point I am making is you can't just fall off the turnip truck, grab "a" dog of "a" line ... and start "crossing it up," randomly, with no game plan, and expect "instant success" ... as if breeding great dogs is a game of crapshoot or rolling the dice.

You need to make a commitment to ONE line, PUT THE TIME IN, get to know it, weed out the bad, develop the good, BEFORE you can even know IF it need a cross ... and WHY (if so).

And, again, if you develop the right individuals, you might come to learn you never need to cross at all.

Good luck,

Jack


:-bd

[Stella]

What Crosses well into the Rufus/alligator blood?



Chinaman

[evolutionkennels]

I'd do redboy jocko or hollingsworth blood.

[Bromboy]

Thanks for the input.

[ragedog10]

I'd do redboy jocko or hollingsworth blood.

Would you happen to have a example of that cross? Would like to see one that working and see how it was put together. I could see how the lines would compliment each other.

[Stella]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41215