cali jack dogs in europe

[bulldoghistorian]

are there any cali jack dogs in europe
I recall a champion way up north forgot his name and a rumor of one gr ch send to germany

I have never seen one over here

[Officially Retired]

Probably the best known dog I sent to your general area was Boots (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=156) (brother to Ch Mr. Serious ROM (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6826)), who went to Finland. He was a game, but average dog who sired a number of good dogs, the most famous being Boogie's Ch Diesel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10928). I sent several other dogs to Finland as well, including Iron Golem (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42966) and Baby Doll (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42967), neither matched, but all superior specimens and athletes. (In fact, Iron Golem spotted a European Champion 4 lb in a roll, and stopped him in :42.)

I also sent several dogs to Italy back in 1996, including Predator (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42965), Whitehead (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6823), and Roja (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6824), all of whom were matched and won.

More recently, I have also sent Beowulf (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=212) and Silver Jett (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=2755) to Italy in 2012.

I also sent Mocha Java (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25355) to Spain in 2012.

Don't think they've been matched, but I am pretty sure they like the dogs.

Jack

PS: I used to have photos of Baby Doll and Ch Diesel, but will have to find them again someday ...

[bulldoghistorian]

I have heard of diesel

I do recall someone crossed the blood with offspring down from JB , I tried to get one but it didnt work out

[loot]

Boots is a real looker Jack.

[Officially Retired]

Thank you, yes he was. They gave him great care too.

Had a lot of photos of him, and they really took super care of him.

[CYJ]

The Silver Jett bitch is a excellent looking, well built bitch dog. I noticed the Silver Jett bitch has one ear up and one down. Have seen time to time dogs bred down from the Carver lines that have that characteristic. My J. Young's Jake had one ear up and one down. Geek Squad's Soldier dog looks a lot like my J. Young's Jake dog and has that one ear up and one ear down. Cheers

[Officially Retired]

Thank you, I really like her too. Kinda always regretted letting her go.

It's amazing how people "think" ... I sold her and Beowulf to two different guys in Italy, and the guy with Jett didn't want to breed her to Beowulf and "let the other guy have any" :confused:

Such small mindedness will destroy plans, not make them.

Hope the guy changes his mind ... because it really is okay for TWO people to benefit, not just one :D

Jack

[evolutionkennels]

Thank you, I really like her too. Kinda always regretted letting her go.

It's amazing how people "think" ... I sold her and Beowulf to two different guys in Italy, and the guy with Jett didn't want to breed her to Beowulf and "let the other guy have any" :confused:

Such small mindedness will destroy plans, not make them.

Hope the guy changes his mind ... because it really is okay for TWO people to benefit, not just one :D

Jack



Yup. We started Silverbelle and Jack Sparrow yesterday. Jack Sparrow showed excellent ability, super slick, and smart... head dog do far.

Silverbelle.... SCREAMING in the corner to get to the hog. knocking the hog over. it's interestin... ffirst owner sold her, that owner said she was a cold pos. Gave her too Bordentown, Bordentown sold to us, we sat on her for 6 months and boy o boy!! . a rocket

[Officially Retired]

Yup. We started Silverbelle and Jack Sparrow yesterday. Jack Sparrow showed excellent ability, super slick, and smart... head dog do far.

Silverbelle.... SCREAMING in the corner to get to the hog. knocking the hog over. it's interestin... ffirst owner sold her, that owner said she was a cold pos. Gave her too Bordentown, Bordentown sold to us, we sat on her for 6 months and boy o boy!! . a rocket

It's amazing the difference between a good dogman and a lousy dogman is PATIENCE and UNDERSTANDING ...

Glad to hear she went to you and was waited on. Like many badass dogs, Silverback himself wasn't fully "on" until 3 years of age ... but man-o-man, was he worth the wait :mrgreen:

Good luck with Silverbelle 8)

[CYJ]

Ditto Jack. If one listens closely to the Ed Crenshaw's interviews on the You Tube. Ed affirms that Carver did have a Tudor's Dibo x Black Widow bred dogs along with a Sister to Black Widow. If Project X had listen closely as well. Ed confirmed that Boudreaux's Blind Billy dog was bred as it's pedigree showed.

In this interview Mr. Ed Crenshaw mentions about the fact that Carver's Tudor's Dibo x Carver's Black Widow etc. dogs were late starters. That the way Carver was trying to get his future dogs off this line, to fire up at a earlier age. Was crossing Mr. Ed Crenshaw's blood line into his line. Which did work really well.

Whether the pedigrees show it or not there is a strong influence of the Ed Crenshaw bloodlines in the Carver strain of dogs. The Tudor Dibo x Carver's Black Widow along with the Blind Billy influence from Boudreaux was there also. I might add and just IMHO that maybe not a lot. But I feel there was some Peggy Harper AM Staff added along the way. Which went right back to the older Henry/Al Brown/Tudor dogs.

Said all this, so that those that have pedigrees showing a high 25% or more percentage of Tudor's Dibo X Siblings influence in that 14 generation pedigree search. Go slow and give these type bred dogs more patience and maturity before schooling. Jack's reference on schooling is a very good approach. Cheers

[Jackattack8413]

Yup. We started Silverbelle and Jack Sparrow yesterday. Jack Sparrow showed excellent ability, super slick, and smart... head dog do far.

Silverbelle.... SCREAMING in the corner to get to the hog. knocking the hog over. it's interestin... ffirst owner sold her, that owner said she was a cold pos. Gave her too Bordentown, Bordentown sold to us, we sat on her for 6 months and boy o boy!! . a rocket

Hope the female that was sent your way this weekend doesn't disappoint, we have very high expectations from that breeding.

[CYJ]

A little more info on the late starters within the Tudor's Dibo strains. You can read in a interview of Pete Sparks of his statement that the straight bred Dibo dogs were hard biting 45 minute curs. But when crossed with the Colby line would stay all day.

Probably what was happening with a lot of the Dibo bred off spring was they did not have a Howard Heinzl to bring them along like he did Dibo. A Earl Tudor to know when to properly start schooling this type dog.

Sometimes with a mature cold dog. All it takes is transferring said dog to another yard of dogs. This is what really fired up the V. Jackson's Hank dog. V.J. sent him down to my yard and later to A. Howel's yard. When later rolled on that Obie dog of Woody Truetts. Ole Hank decided it was time to start kicking Arse and taking names. The rest was history. LOL Cheers

[Jackattack8413]

What weight is the jack sparrow dog? I know we were interested in possibly breeding to him at some point if everything works out.

[evolutionkennels]

What weight is the jack sparrow dog? I know we were interested in possibly breeding to him at some point if everything works out.

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[Nut]

I like Beowulf who's in Italy now. Heard they were very happy so far.

[Officially Retired]

I like Beowulf who's in Italy now. Heard they were very happy so far.

Beo is a neat little dog ... totally took after the Coki side of his pedigree, but super-fast like a greyhound.

It will be hard to find anything his tiny size, so I am sure he's had to spot "whatever" a ton of weight ... but heaven help the other mutt if they do find one his actual size :lol:

[jawman]

Probably the best known dog I sent to your general area was Boots (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=156) (brother to Ch Mr. Serious ROM (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6826)), who went to Finland. He was a game, but average dog who sired a number of good dogs, the most famous being Boogie's Ch Diesel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10928). I sent several other dogs to Finland as well, including Iron Golem (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42966) and Baby Doll (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42967), neither matched, but all superior specimens and athletes. (In fact, Iron Golem spotted a European Champion 4 lb in a roll, and stopped him in :42.)

I also sent several dogs to Italy back in 1996, including Predator (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42965), Whitehead (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6823), and Roja (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6824), all of whom were matched and won.




More recently, I have also sent Beowulf (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=212) and Silver Jett (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=2755) to Italy in 2012.

I also sent Mocha Java (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25355) to Spain in 2012.

Don't think they've been matched, but I am pretty sure they like the dogs.

Jack

PS: I used to have photos of Baby Doll and Ch Diesel, but will have to find them again someday ...


Saw once one down from your bloodlines jack, the Guys from Finland had him a game SOB whent against this one http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38771
he was dead game in almost 2 hours.

[Officially Retired]

Saw once one down from your bloodlines jack, the Guys from Finland had him a game SOB whent against this one http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38771
he was dead game in almost 2 hours.

Thank you, and congratulations :cheers:

Any idea how the dog was bred? :)

[jawman]

Thank you, and congratulations :cheers:

Any idea how the dog was bred? :)

Sorry jack this was several years ago dont remeber the exact breeding on him. know that he was down from your bloodlines the owner of CH Diesel had him.
He was a red one and like I wrote before a DEADGAME one

[bulldoghistorian]

didnt skipper have him?

[jawman]

didnt skipper have him?

No BJ Skipper didnt have him dont belive that skipper was in dogs back then, This dog was owned and handled by the owner of ch diesel,

Jack i have done some reserch on the dog and he was a brother to Diesel, so he was only 50% visegrip breeding
Some times people dont tell you the hole truth about there breeding. Back then when we asked him he just told us the he was Visegrip breeding.

//Jawman

[Officially Retired]

SGC was kind enough to send me photos of the following European dogs:


Vise-Grip's Baby Doll (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42967) (1 photo)
Vise-Grip's Boots (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=156) (3 more photos)
Vise-Grip's Iron Golem (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42966) (1 more photo)

Thanks!

Jack

[Lasse]

Jack, the dogs look awesome. So Iron Golem is still alive and kicking? I have a photo of Boogie's Ch. Diesel I can send you if you would like. The size is not overwhelming but maybe still of worth for you. A friend of mine sent it to me back when he was interested to breed to him. Regretfully it never happened.

[Officially Retired]

Jack, the dogs look awesome. So Iron Golem is still alive and kicking? I have a photo of Boogie's Ch. Diesel I can send you if you would like. The size is not overwhelming but maybe still of worth for you. A friend of mine sent it to me back when he was interested to breed to him. Regretfully it never happened.

Hi. No, Iron Golem is dead, unfortunately. Died of cancer.

His owners bought the Mocha Java (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25355) dog from me, after they lost him.

Yes, most definitely, would love to update Ch Diesel's page with a photo, so please email to administrator@thepitbullbible.com, when you get the chance :)

Thanks!

Jack

[CrazyRed]

Man if only I could get my paws on some Hornet blood or some Duke Nuke blood, man folks with it don't want to let any of it go. My partner was able to access the Silverback blood so can't wait to see how they grow but man oh man i wish the Duke blood was heavy.

[Officially Retired]

Man if only I could get my paws on some Hornet blood or some Duke Nuke blood, man folks with it don't want to let any of it go. My partner was able to access the Silverback blood so can't wait to see how they grow but man oh man i wish the Duke blood was heavy.


The Duke blood is as solid as it gets, as far as dependable extreme gameness and stamina goes, no doubt.

But Silverback would have killed 3 of Duke Nukem ... looking for a fight ;)

Not only that, with a 6-0 record (2 of which were extreme battles of will and attrition) Silverback has produced impeccable gameness percentages also ...

Jack

[CrazyRed]

The Duke blood is as solid as it gets, as far as dependable extreme gameness and stamina goes, no doubt.

But Silverback would have killed 3 of Duke Nukem ... looking for a fight ;)

Not only that, with a 6-0 record (2 of which were extreme battles of will and attrition) Silverback has produced impeccable gameness percentages also ...

Jack

Hopefully what is getting brought in follows that mentality lol... Yes that stamina and gameness is what I love, hopefully we can add some style to it.. Why not have the skill set of Silverback in which you describe and what his offspring are showing, with the heart and stamina of those Duke dogs.

[Officially Retired]

Ummm, I already thought about that ;)

I edited the post, read again :)

Silverback has an equally-impeccable gameness quotient as a producer, with 2 sons winning extreme long-distance battles of attrition ;)

Ponchoback (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=177) (2:36)
Prime Ape (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25429) (1:43)

Why did this happen? Because I bred Silverback to Sassy (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=178) for one (off Screamer's brother Thunder, and therefore Duke's cousin) and Twilight (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=1699) for another (right off Duke) :mrgreen:

Silverback's win record is therefore a dramatic upgrade to Duke's, being 100% (6-0) in open competition 8)

Jack

[CrazyRed]

I thought I had lost part of my mind for a second, i literally was sitting here thinking I must be developing alzheimers lol. I said I did't see none of that in his post at all how could I miss that. Then I see you state you edited the post lol, but yes sir you are correct and I agree no coincedence at all, it wsa perfectly selected and it showed the part. Wish you still had those dogs around and were breeding them up, how is twilight doing, were they able to get more than 1 or 2 off her lately or has she passed on now?

[Officially Retired]

I thought I had lost part of my mind for a second, i literally was sitting here thinking I must be developing alzheimers lol. I said I did't see none of that in his post at all how could I miss that. Then I see you state you edited the post lol, but yes sir you are correct and I agree no coincedence at all, it wsa perfectly selected and it showed the part. Wish you still had those dogs around and were breeding them up, how is twilight doing, were they able to get more than 1 or 2 off her lately or has she passed on now?

Great minds think alike, I've just been breeding my line for awhile and know which way to go with it :)

No, unfortunately, Twilight is dead. No daughters alive.

Prime Ape (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25429), 007 (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=17836), and Magilla (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25227) (another badass son of Silverback) are all that's left.

English's Truck (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38037) is off of Silverback and Brick House who is the sister of Icon (possibly the best pure head dog I've ever bred). Brick House was herself a wicked face/mouth dog.

Brick House and Icon were off Duke's sister Jezebel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=219). Where Duke was just average, Jezebel was 100x better, and was the highest-ability bitch I have ever bred/fed. I would go after any of these studs, down from her or from Duke, with full confidence. I kept Truck's sister Amazon (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=222) for a reason (:mrgreen:) with the idea I could breed her to one of the Twilight sons in the future ... IFF I ever try to rekindle my line again ...

Jack

[CrazyRed]

Great minds think alike, I've just been breeding my line for awhile and know which way to go with it :)

No, unfortunately, Twilight is dead. No daughters alive.

Prime Ape (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25429), 007 (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=17836), and Magilla (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25227) (another badass son of Silverback) are all that's left.

English's Truck (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38037) is off of Silverback and Brick House who is the sister of Icon (possibly the best pure head dog I've ever bred). Brick House was herself a wicked face/mouth dog.

Brick House and Icon were off Duke's sister Jezebel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=219). Where Duke was just average, Jezebel was 100x better, and was the highest-ability bitch I have ever bred/fed. I would go after any of these studs, down from her or from Duke, with full confidence. I kept Truck's sister Amazon (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=222) for a reason (:mrgreen:) with the idea I could breed her to one of the Twilight sons in the future ... IFF I ever try to rekindle my line again ...

Jack

Damn I'm so sorry to hear that no daughters alive off her, man I remember when I was going to buy that bitch and seem like she was up for sale then a day later somebody scooperd her up lol. And Jezebel, just from the pics you post of her, man that bitch looked perfect and I heard good things about her, and from the pics I'm looking like damn she was only a 30lb bitch I know she dominated that weight class.

Truck I've heard good about and that's what my partner is getting something off of to add to the family. Is that Screaming Icon still around? I remember seeing a pic and thinking wow what a freakin beauty of a dog, and I know i heard he caught one and i believe a son of his caught one also.

Whenever you breed Amazon there will be a line waiting I'm sure of it.

[Officially Retired]

Damn I'm so sorry to hear that no daughters alive off her, man I remember when I was going to buy that bitch and seem like she was up for sale then a day later somebody scooperd her up lol.

Yeah, that does suck. There was a bitch born in the Prime Ape/007 litter, but Wildchild lost her.




And Jezebel, just from the pics you post of her, man that bitch looked perfect and I heard good things about her, and from the pics I'm looking like damn she was only a 30lb bitch I know she dominated that weight class.


Jezebel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=219) was an ace at more than just her weight class. She massacred every bitch she was ever rolled with, save one. Her first roll she put a hanger through the skull of Bandana (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=225). It was just her first bump, and Jezzebel didn't start at first, so Bandana went straight into Jezebel's guts ... and Jezebel responded by biting so hard from the bottom she punctured Bandana's skull. It kinda freaked me out, because I didn't know if she'd get an infection in her brain, with just a hole on top of her noggin like that. Jezebel never bit super hard like that again, but she did have enough mouth to do significant damage.

Anyway, I decided to lower the bar on Jezebel's schooling, so I started her on a couple of extremely game, but less-dangerous, bitches than Bandana after that, Red Sonja (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=180) and Super Red (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=974). These bitches were furiously game, and were a little lighter, but Jezebel was just too good. They couldn't get their mouth on Jezebel one time and were absolutely overpowered by her. (I quickly learned no way you could spot Jezebel weight!)

Bandana was Jezebel's weight, but she was too dangerous. So I rolled Jezebel into the bigger Tuffy (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=542) and (Jeze's sister) Athena Red (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=4389), who were 4 lb of bigger each, but with only average ability, and I rolled them with Jezebel back-to-back! Why? Because Jezebel went through Tuffy and was on a down dog by :06, so I put Jezebel's bigger sister Athena Red on her, and Jezebel was in control from start-to-finish, and on a down dog by :12. Tuffy bit her once, on the release, and never bit her again after that. Athena never got her mouth on Jezebel once. Even though both bitches were 4-lb bigger. Jezebel was an ACE ear/face/throat dog, so fast it was unreal, and never got tired.

When I realized what kind of ability Jezebel had, I rolled her on Bandana again, who super-fast and SUPER-strong also, and who only went for kill-spots, but Bandana was too straight-ahead, not smart enough, and didn't have the air to keep up with Jezebel. It was an all-out war for :05, but then Bandana couldn't touch her after that, and Jezebel owned Bandana until she was helpless by :25. Fast and furious action! (Keep in mind, Bandana was so rough, she spotted a sister to Ch Roy Jones Jr. (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=18056) 5-lb of weight, drove her all over the pit, never took a backward step, and was on a down dog, in her kidneys, by :05 ...)

Jezebel was also the bitch who decimated Woodpile Kennels' Eli bitch, where Woodpile actually assaulted me in the roll, they were so butt-hurt by how badly they were routed by my dogs. Their best male had been ransacked in :05 by Ch Stormbringer (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=211), and their bitch was decimated by Jezebel the following weekend. Between their two dogs, they only bit my two dogs once, when their male got to Stormy's ass-end for a split-second in the first thirty seconds after the release, when the Eli dog was driving like crazy ... but Stormy took him out in a flash, flipped him over, and was killing him in the throat for the next 4:30. Woodpile's dog wouldn't come out of the corner for his first time after "The Blood Red Fury" was taken out of his throat. Their next experience was to have Jezebel, a less-brutal, but even more athletic circus acrobat, make an absolute fool out of their slow, stupid, one-dimensional bitch, who never touched Jezebel one time in the embarrassing rout. In a way it wasn't fair to Woodpile Kennels, because (quite honestly) even I didn't have any dogs who could whip Stormbringer or Jezebel at even weight either :lol:

Jezebel was picked up one time, though, when I tried to spot weight with her using Bandana's daughter Royal Flush (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=33475). Royal Flush was as fast, and as brutally-strong as her mother Bandana, but Royal Flush was an extremely-smart head/face/throat dog, like a Poncho dog, rather than a one-dimensional gut dog, and she was just too big, and too physically-powerful, for Jezebel to spot her weight like that. Jezebel was a down dog right off the bat, and they started heavy mouth-fighting, with Jezebel on the bottom, and I just didn't want to lose the teeth on two ace-quality head/face dogs, so I stopped it pretty quick. Unfortunately, Royal Flush was sold, bred to Duke Nukem in fact, and Krazyside Kennels managed to lose every single pup. They then farmed her out to a corn-fed retard, when she caught babesia after a roll, and the retard put her down for having a parasite, rather than treating her. That fucking idiot would have to go through a thousand bitches before he could ever find one as good, or as perfect, as Royal Flush was as a specimen. (Wow, that still pisses me off thinking about that ...)




Truck I've heard good about and that's what my partner is getting something off of to add to the family. Is that Screaming Icon still around? I remember seeing a pic and thinking wow what a freakin beauty of a dog, and I know i heard he caught one and i believe a son of his caught one also.

Truck (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38037) looks like a good, solid Poncho dog that will be tough to beat. Screaming Icon (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=4430) did not get Jezebel's ability, but took after Sun Demon (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=1970) in body-type and ability. He was a game dog who spotted weight too many times, and had to take too much each time, and was done wrong.





Whenever you breed Amazon there will be a line waiting I'm sure of it.

Thanks. And, if I do such a breeding, the line will be very short as to who qualifies to get one, since I don't rely on this for income anymore.

Jack

[CrazyRed]

I been away from computer but I want to say so much to this, first thank you for the information 2nd to none for starters but exactly the way a person needs to know. I will be in your inbox picking your brain even more as I try to line up and find the blood that's around as Im sure you know places to go.

[Lasse]

Hi. No, Iron Golem is dead, unfortunately. Died of cancer.

His owners bought the Mocha Java (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25355) dog from me, after they lost him.

Yes, most definitely, would love to update Ch Diesel's page with a photo, so please email to administrator@thepitbullbible.com, when you get the chance :)

Thanks!

Jack

Hi there; thank you for the information. I see that Mocha Java dog has 1/8 Ross' Red Devil/Westover's Red Shredder blood in him. I have seen a few other examples where the dogs behind your dogs have been crossed with the Old Family Red Nose strain. Some show Vise-Grip's. I am not sure but I might have read somewhere that you weren't too impressed with the results but I might be wrong. Can you give any insight? Do you know of someone who successfully crossed your blood with the D.M. Norrod dogs of Ironline Kennels or any other OFRN strain, possibly even still working? Can you recommend the cross?

[bulldoghistorian]

that mocha dog is up north , I think they crossed it with some JB stuff

[Officially Retired]

Hi there; thank you for the information. I see that Mocha Java dog has 1/8 Ross' Red Devil/Westover's Red Shredder blood in him. I have seen a few other examples where the dogs behind your dogs have been crossed with the Old Family Red Nose strain. Some show Vise-Grip's. I am not sure but I might have read somewhere that you weren't too impressed with the results but I might be wrong. Can you give any insight? Do you know of someone who successfully crossed your blood with the D.M. Norrod dogs of Ironline Kennels or any other OFRN strain, possibly even still working? Can you recommend the cross?

My Poncho/Red Angel dogs were among the baddest dogs I have ever bred in my career. The other dogs not so good.

Criminal Poet's Henry (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38985) is supposed to be devastating.

And BTW, Thank you for the photo of Boogie's Ch Diesel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=10928) :)

Jack

[Lasse]

I looked up a few pedigrees and yes, some really good dogs came of the Poncho/Red Angel breeding, not to speak of Ricky F.'s Ch. Darth Vader - unbelievable. Are his wins legit? If you don't mind me asking why didn't you continue to breed the Poncho/Red Angel dogs? Because as you said, the result were there. Was it because the inbred Poncho dogs and Poncho/RBJ dogs showed to be even better?

(http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38985)Wow, Criminal Poet's Henry (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38985) is a big dog. The size must had come from the bottom side as from what I know your inbred Poncho/Mason's Hammer dogs use to run on the smaller side. Funny, because the original Hollingsworth dogs were also big dogs.

You're welcome! The pedigree looks way better with the photo attached.;)

[bulldoghistorian]

Diesel I recall , he had a good rep , traveled all the way down south if I recall.
Must have been some years ago , I think he was bred , but not sure what happened to the offspring

Think I met the owner once at a show where he came down with BG and BSK

[Officially Retired]

I looked up a few pedigrees and yes, some really good dogs came of the Poncho/Red Angel breeding, not to speak of Ricky F.'s Ch. Darth Vader - unbelievable. Are his wins legit? If you don't mind me asking why didn't you continue to breed the Poncho/Red Angel dogs? Because as you said, the result were there. Was it because the inbred Poncho dogs and Poncho/RBJ dogs showed to be even better?

Darth Vader (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=8413) was sold to Ricky Franklin in MS. Ricky was another guy who seemed pretty nice on the phone, but didn't have much sense. Ricky matched Darth Vader at 10 months into the Xmen, and won. He matched into the Xmen again, at 13 months, and lost. The Xmen told Ricky to sit on the dog as he acted like a puppy. (That is probably because he was :rolleyes:) I got mad at Ricky because of that and cussed him out and lost contact with him. This was back in '96.

Later, in 2001, Zeus and Frank Jr. of the Xmen came to my yard (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=224&d=1380907818) and bought 3-4 dogs from me. While they were visiting, they told me Ricky wound up winning 12 fights with Darth Vader. As far as how "legit" these wins were, I don't know. The Xmen told me Darth Vader was an awesome head dog that would go to the throat. They said in the right hands, as a fully-mature dog, he would have been unbeatable at his weight. The Xmen have owned enough good dogs (Ch Barbarian (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=237), Ch Gunther (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=7867), etc.) for their statements to carry some weight with me. Our Moderator here, FrostyPaws, is from MS and may know how to contact Ricky, I don't know. I put 12xW, 1xL on Darth Vader because that is what the Xmen told me when they visited. They said they tried to contact Ricky later on, to breed to Darth Vader, but that the dog died of heartworm, never bred.

As to why I didn't continue to breed Red Angel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=7440) dogs, I bred her to Truman (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=235) first, back in 1990, then to Poncho (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=2) twice after that (1993, 1995). Unfortunately, most of the Truman pups grew up to be cold, or not very good, so I just spayed Red Angel in 1995 (after like the 4th pup had stopped off Truman) and sold all the Poncho pups pretty cheap. By the time the Poncho pups actually started growing up, they all started kicking ass and winning fights, decimating dogs in rolls, etc. But it was too late: my rash decision of spaying Red Angel was done. This is an example of how "jumping to conclusions," based on just one breeding, can cost a person. It is also an example of just how prepotent Poncho was. One of Red Angel's daughters, (ADBA)Ch Cinnamon (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=8422), was almost a triple-crown dog (Schutzhund I, ADBA Ch, and a 2xW). She also threw a double-champ, Vera's Ch Beau-San (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=7879). It was a HUGE mistake on my part to spay Red Angel based on the shitty turnout of the Truman litter.

It would be like spaying Honeybunch after she was bred to Zebo, because all the pups turned out to be shit in the Zebo breeding. People need to realize that sometimes certain breedings just don't click. Honeybunch produced her ass off bred different ways, and Red Angel produced her ass off bred to Poncho. Still, I have a feeling it was more a case of Poncho just producing his ass off, regardless of what he was bred to, more than anything else.




Wow, Criminal Poet's Henry (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38985) is a big dog. The size must had come from the bottom side as from what I know your inbred Poncho/Mason's Hammer dogs use to run on the smaller side. Funny, because the original Hollingsworth dogs were also big dogs.

Yes, the Hollingsworth dogs were big dogs, but Ch Hammer was a 32, and Coca Cola was a 26, and these dogs influenced my line more than the Hollingsworth dogs did. They were just as game as the Hollingsworth dogs, but better fighters. I just bred in the direction of what I liked, athletically, and most of my dogs lost the Hollingsworth "look" (and size) ... and took on a look of their own.




You're welcome! The pedigree looks way better with the photo attached.;)

Yes it does, thanks again :-bd

Jack

[Rainman]

Saw once one down from your bloodlines jack, the Guys from Finland had him a game SOB whent against this one http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38771
he was dead game in almost 2 hours.

That dog must have been Boogie's Chevy, out off Boots x Baby Doll. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=55433

Ch Diesel passed away last spring, I still miss that smart old fart.

I do have couple out off Diesel x Cappuccina, and Cappuccina herself is still here.
I might breed Cappuccina's son back to her this year.

[Rainman]

In fact, Iron Golem spotted a European Champion 4 lb in a roll, and stopped him in :42.

LOL
This is bullshit.
Iron Golem quit in a roll. Twice. Both times were reported to Jack as well..

[Kilo]

Great minds think alike, I've just been breeding my line for awhile and know which way to go with it :)

No, unfortunately, Twilight is dead. No daughters alive.

Prime Ape (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25429), 007 (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=17836), and Magilla (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=25227) (another badass son of Silverback) are all that's left.

English's Truck (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=38037) is off of Silverback and Brick House who is the sister of Icon (possibly the best pure head dog I've ever bred). Brick House was herself a wicked face/mouth dog.

Brick House and Icon were off Duke's sister Jezebel (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=219). Where Duke was just average, Jezebel was 100x better, and was the highest-ability bitch I have ever bred/fed. I would go after any of these studs, down from her or from Duke, with full confidence. I kept Truck's sister Amazon (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=222) for a reason (:mrgreen:) with the idea I could breed her to one of the Twilight sons in the future ... IFF I ever try to rekindle my line again ...

Jack


May be doing an A.I. Breeding with Duke Nukem if I can get my buddy on board who has the frozen Semen off Duke...Kilo

[SGC]

May be doing an A.I. Breeding with Duke Nukem if I can get my buddy on board who has the frozen Semen off Duke...Kilo



That would be a very nice breeding! I hope you can get it done. I let my Peds subscription lapse as I don't use it so I could not see the peds but I know how both dogs are bred as I have looked at their peds many times in the past, LOL.

That would bring in the best of the Poncho dogs to the best of the Silverback dogs... Excellent!

[Helena]

That would be a very nice breeding !
If he has anymore available I have a 3/4 silverback bitch that id love to use one of those straws on

[CrazyRed]

That would be a very nice breeding !
If he has anymore available I have a 3/4 silverback bitch that id love to use one of those straws on



Got any idea how you gone breed ur bitch?

[Helena]

Got any idea how you gone breed ur bitch?
I'm considering a son of silverback for her next breeding.

[CrazyRed]

I'm considering a son of silverback for her next breeding.

nice, save me one lol