WARNING Bart Finch of Bull-Finch kennels

[Eliman]

I just received screen shots of this man threatening another dogman to deliver video's of illegal activities because of a BS online dispute I have warned men before not to deal with this man he is everything that is wrong with these dogs today you have been warned!

[Officially Retired]

Is this the same guy who goes by Bull Finch?

[Eliman]

Yes it is.... this is not the first time this has happened the proof is out now and has went viral via text messages. It is just a shame a good man is paying the price he is getting out all together this rat needs to be shunned out of this life there is no room for the likes of this sack of shit.

[Officially Retired]

Honestly, I don't know who in their right mind would videotape themselves doing dogs at all, in this day and age, let alone give people copies of it.

I stopped doing that nonsense back in the mid-nineties.

I would never, under any circumstance, videotape myself rolling dogs ... and then "dispense" them to "friends" ... and then wonder "how" I found myself in a precarious position.

Anyone who "can't see this happening" is blind.

Jack

[Eliman]

I agree the man made a huge mistake but none the less he is a good fella and did nothing to deserve this type of reaction. Anyone who would turn another man over to LE beause he couldn't reap what he had sowed ain't shit.

[Officially Retired]

I agree the man made a huge mistake but none the less he is a good fella and did nothing to deserve this type of reaction.

I don't know him, so I can't comment on how "good" he is, but he did do something to put himself in that situation: he made videos of himself and put them in someone else's hands.

As far as him "deserving" this goes, as William Munny said in The Unforgiven, "Deserve's got nothin to do with it ..."
He said that before he blew the sheriff's head off with a rifle.

There are a lot of DOGS who didn't "deserve" the fate they got being placed in many dogmen's hands ... let alone people who have been double-crossed, etc. "deserving" what they got either.
This doesn't mean Bull Finch is in the right, it means your buddy is in the stupid: he put himself in the position to be ruined.

One thing an old man told me is, "Never completely trust anyone. People can change in an instant, over just one word. They can also have agendas."

The only person on earth I completely trust is my brother and parents. My blood.
Outside that circle, I have a handful of friends I have known since childhood, who have earned my trust.
The rest of the people I know are varying degrees of acquaintances.

When you think about it, these dogs are comprised mostly of social misfits in some way.
People who either are miscreants, deviants, outright criminals, or who (at the very least) have an edge in some way.
That includes me, and that includes you.

Now most of us are basically honest, but not many are so honest that they can be trusted in any and all circumstances. The group I ran with in TN, would swipe each other's ol ladies. Hand to God, the old man I knew was still bangin his best friend's wife every chance he got. That means the man with the wife couldn't trust either his woman or his best friend. He didn't know it, but that was the way it was. Another dude there, well known dogman, hired another dogman's wife (who was a house cleaner) to clean his house ... but wound up bangin his friend's wife too. As far as honor and character go, they were ALL pieces of shit, every one of them. Every single one of them was a criminal in some kind of way (dealing dope, swindling, card sharks, whatever). That is the way a lot of dogmen simply are.

I honestly can't think of too many dogmen who can keep their mouths shut about too much either. If ever there was a gossippy, "whipering about others" crowd of people, dogmen would be it.
Rare as hen's teeth are dogmen who truly do not talk shit, and who rarely don't share the "little secrets" they know.
There are a few, but I can't think of too many who haven't stood on the podium and run his mouth at some point.
I can think of many dogmen who have used fake names to talk trash, reveal secrets, etc.
Why? Because there is A LOT of jealousy that comes with the effort to show and produce "the best" combat dogs, and nothing turns men into crybaby bitches quicker than jealousy.

Like I said, the only person on earth I would completely trust to go into the workings of my database here would be my brother.
For one, he's not a dogman, so he has no reason to "compete" with me.
For another, I have known him his entire life, and in all my life, I have never seen him do ONE truly underhanded thing to anyone.
And I simply know he damned sure wouldn't do it to me. So, it isn't just his talent, it is his MOTIVES that I completely trust.

At the end of the day, you can only fully trust the motives of your blood and that's about it.
And hell, in some families, you can't even trust that.

It is very rare to fully trust the motives of anyone else, especially if they're in competition with you in some way, and these dogs are all about competition.




Anyone who would turn another man over to LE beause he couldn't reap what he had sowed ain't shit.

I agree. What Bull-Finch is doing (if what you're saying is true), is wrong and treacherous, period.

But you have to agree that anyone who would be making videos of themselves doing dogs, and then place these videos in the hands of other people, is a dumbass.

That is also the truth.

Jack

[Eliman]

Wow I can't believe this man is being attacted more then the rat I'm sure he realizes now it was a mistake same as you realized at some point it wasn't a good idea. This is not the first time Bart has pulled a bitch move like this, many others aswell as myself have seen the proof. I'm just here giving a warning as I tried to warn many others before stay clear of this worthless fuck.

[Officially Retired]

Wow I can't believe this man is being attacted more then the rat I'm sure he realizes now it was a mistake same as you realized at some point it wasn't a good idea. This is not the first time Bart has pulled a bitch move like this, many others aswell as myself have seen the proof.


If this isn't the first time Bart has been a rat, this makes your friend's act of giving him evidence even more stupid :embarrassed:

The purpose of my posts isn't to "attack" your friend, nor to "endorse" Bart, it is to point out TO OTHERS not to make the same mistake.

Nothing I write will turn Bart into a trustworthy guy, and nothing you write will make your friend's act intelligent, so what I am doing is pointing out the TRUE cause of the problem, and that is this: anyone who makes videos of their rolls is an idiot ... and anyone who does this, and then gives their videos to others, is a double-idiot ... and anyone who gives their videos to someone who has snitched previously is, well, I am not sure any form of the word "idiot" quite suffices.




I'm just here giving a warning as I tried to warn many others before stay clear of this worthless fuck.

And I am just warning other dogmen not to be stupid enough to make videos of their rolls, and especially not to give them to others.

Jack

[Eliman]

OK have at it like you want... bottom line stay clear of Bull-Finch and be smart about how you conduct yourself y'all stay safe.

[Officially Retired]

Agreed.

It is helpful to stop and analyze ALL the events which put us in a bad spot.

How old is your friend, and how long has be been in dogs?

Honestly, I am not sure I know of any good, veteran US dogmen nowadays who videotape what they do ...

Like I said, I remember doing that kind of thing in my 20s, when I was young and dumb ... and I even sent some of the footage out to some "mentors" to get their opinion (so I understand the motive to do so) ... but I sure as shit stopped doing that kind of thing a long, LONG time ago.

These days, videos are so easy to make, copy, and send ... and in this game your whole life can be in jeopardy in one right-click + send option ... so there is no way in the world I would put this kind of power over my life (or my dogs' lives) in anyone hands ...

Jack

[MISTER]

There were no videos sent. BULL-FINCH made the threat BC he know that's all LE needs to visit that man

[MISTER]

I forgot too mention this thing started over the man ”PURCHASED” pups from BULL-FINCH months go by mind you they're communicating regular when BULL-FINCH demands photos of the dogs, the man doesn't move fast enough for BULL-FINCH so he demands the dogs back, the man says ”NO” and the shit storm starts

[Officially Retired]

There were no videos sent. BULL-FINCH made the threat BC he know that's all LE needs to visit that man

That is good, but it brings up another subject: cell phone videos.

People these days need to watch out for folks taking videos of their shin-digs without their knowledge ... so less is always more.

I remember when I started, I would go to "roll marathons" with 50-60 people out at this one dude's place up in central CA ... and toward the end, I would only roll my own dogs with only 2 people I trusted fully.

The less people there, the more safe you are ...

Jack

[Officially Retired]

I forgot too mention this thing started over the man ”PURCHASED” pups from BULL-FINCH months go by mind you they're communicating regular when BULL-FINCH demands photos of the dogs, the man doesn't move fast enough for BULL-FINCH so he demands the dogs back, the man says ”NO” and the shit storm starts

Dude must be a freak. Ratting is bad enough, but why would anyone rat on his own dogs?

Does the guy have a drug problem or something? Doesn't sound rational.

Honestly, it sounds like a buncha hot air, an empty "control freak" threat, rather than anything to really worry about.

People who rat, RAT.

They don't send texts "threatening" to rat with material they don't have ...

[Eliman]

Y'all believe what you want I have see the screen shots he is still a snitch if he acted on it or not

[Officially Retired]

Y'all believe what you want I have see the screen shots he is still a snitch if he acted on it or not

Post the screenshots.




he is still a snitch if he acted on it or not

Wrong.

"Saying" you are going to kill someone doesn't make you a murderer, actually killing someone does.
"Saying" you are going to go travel the world doesn't make you a world traveler, actually traveling the world does.
Etc., etc., etc., for everything there is in life ...

Only actions count.

Jack

[Macker]

There's a lot of scoundrels in these dogs, it never surprises me to hear these stories. A tout is the lowest form of scum in my opinion. My nephews are 3 and 4 years of age and I constantly find myself telling them not to tell tales on each other every time they come running to my sister being little snitches.

it all boils down to the old saying, the only time a dog man tells the truth is when he calls another dog man a lier.

[Eliman]

Post the screenshots.





Wrong.

"Saying" you are going to kill someone doesn't make you a murderer, actually killing someone does.
"Saying" you are going to go travel the world doesn't make you a world traveler, actually traveling the world does.
Etc., etc., etc., for everything there is in life ...

Only actions count.

Jack

Are you fucking kidding me saying you are going to kill is conspiracy

If a man holds damning material on you and is threatening to turn it over to the law to get his way he is a fucking rat bastard no if ands or butts.

And I'm not posting the screen shots because it shows the other mans name I don't give a shit if you believe me I did my part you have been warned.

[MISTER]

Ca. Jack the guy is twisted man. He's basically living in his own world, he's detached from reality bro. This isn't the first, second, or third time he's turned on a so-called friend. It's his way or no way and it don't surprise me one bit. He's put peds together and in the comments he's put folks physical addresses with the phrases THIEF AND KNOWN DOGFIGHTER

[S_B]

I don't know him, so I can't comment on how "good" he is, but he did do something to put himself in that situation: he made videos of himself and put them in someone else's hands.

As far as him "deserving" this goes, as William Munny said in The Unforgiven, "Deserve's got nothin to do with it ..."
He said that before he blew the sheriff's head off with a rifle.

There are a lot of DOGS who didn't "deserve" the fate they got being placed in many dogmen's hands ... let alone people who have been double-crossed, etc. "deserving" what they got either.
This doesn't mean Bull Finch is in the right, it means your buddy is in the stupid: he put himself in the position to be ruined.

One thing an old man told me is, "Never completely trust anyone. People can change in an instant, over just one word. They can also have agendas."

The only person on earth I completely trust is my brother and parents. My blood.
Outside that circle, I have a handful of friends I have known since childhood, who have earned my trust.
The rest of the people I know are varying degrees of acquaintances.

When you think about it, these dogs are comprised mostly of social misfits in some way.
People who either are miscreants, deviants, outright criminals, or who (at the very least) have an edge in some way.
That includes me, and that includes you.

Now most of us are basically honest, but not many are so honest that they can be trusted in any and all circumstances. The group I ran with in TN, would swipe each other's ol ladies. Hand to God, the old man I knew was still bangin his best friend's wife every chance he got. That means the man with the wife couldn't trust either his woman or his best friend. He didn't know it, but that was the way it was. Another dude there, well known dogman, hired another dogman's wife (who was a house cleaner) to clean his house ... but wound up bangin his friend's wife too. As far as honor and character go, they were ALL pieces of shit, every one of them. Every single one of them was a criminal in some kind of way (dealing dope, swindling, card sharks, whatever). That is the way a lot of dogmen simply are.

I honestly can't think of too many dogmen who can keep their mouths shut about too much either. If ever there was a gossippy, "whipering about others" crowd of people, dogmen would be it.
Rare as hen's teeth are dogmen who truly do not talk shit, and who rarely don't share the "little secrets" they know.
There are a few, but I can't think of too many who haven't stood on the podium and run his mouth at some point.
I can think of many dogmen who have used fake names to talk trash, reveal secrets, etc.
Why? Because there is A LOT of jealousy that comes with the effort to show and produce "the best" combat dogs, and nothing turns men into crybaby bitches quicker than jealousy.

Like I said, the only person on earth I would completely trust to go into the workings of my database here would be my brother.
For one, he's not a dogman, so he has no reason to "compete" with me.
For another, I have known him his entire life, and in all my life, I have never seen him do ONE truly underhanded thing to anyone.
And I simply know he damned sure wouldn't do it to me. So, it isn't just his talent, it is his MOTIVES that I completely trust.

At the end of the day, you can only fully trust the motives of your blood and that's about it.
And hell, in some families, you can't even trust that.

It is very rare to fully trust the motives of anyone else, especially if they're in competition with you in some way, and these dogs are all about competition.





I agree. What Bull-Finch is doing (if what you're saying is true), is wrong and treacherous, period.

But you have to agree that anyone who would be making videos of themselves doing dogs, and then place these videos in the hands of other people, is a dumbass.

That is also the truth.

Jack

This is as true as anything ever spoken!

[Officially Retired]

Are you fucking kidding me saying you are going to kill is conspiracy.

No I am not and no it isn't.

Having tangible, serious plans to commit murder is conspiracy.

"Saying" you are "going to kill someone" is neither conspiracy nor murder; that is called a THREAT.

And even if it's "conspiracy" ... "conspiracy" = conspiracy ... it does NOT equal murder.





If a man holds damning material on you and is threatening to turn it over to the law to get his way he is a fucking rat bastard no if ands or butts.


Does he have a video, or doesn't he?

Threatening makes him unstable, but a threat isn't an action.





And I'm not posting the screen shots because it shows the other mans name I don't give a shit if you believe me I did my part you have been warned.

That is fine.

It's not that "I" don't believe the man made a threat; it's that you don't know the difference between a mere threat, a planned conspiracy, and actually doing.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

This is as true as anything ever spoken!

:idea:

[Eliman]

That's fine jack codone this behavior provide a number an I will be more then happy to provide the screen shot

[Officially Retired]

Ca. Jack the guy is twisted man. He's basically living in his own world, he's detached from reality bro. This isn't the first, second, or third time he's turned on a so-called friend. It's his way or no way and it don't surprise me one bit. He's put peds together and in the comments he's put folks physical addresses with the phrases THIEF AND KNOWN DOGFIGHTER


He sounds that way ... and I would definitely not bother talking to the guy.

[S_B]

That's fine jack codone this behavior provide a number an I will be more then happy to provide the screen shot

No where I have read anyone condoning the behavior of BF...

[Officially Retired]

That's fine jack codone this behavior provide a number an I will be more then happy to provide the screen shot

You are becoming as much of an emotional idiot as this guy.

I did not "condone" anything ... what you are is a town-cryer and are too emotionally-involved to be able to properly-assess what happened.

I agree that the guy isn't worth fooling with and is somebody to beware of.

I disagree that what he did makes him a true snitch. It makes him someone who threatens when provoked or when he doesn't get his baby way in a deal.

So, unless your friend has actually been raided because of something this guy actually did, there was no "snitch" and there was no "bust."

You are correct to say this guy is a red flag; you are incorrect in your terminology.

Jack

[Eliman]

No I am not and no it isn't.

Having tangible, serious plans to commit murder is conspiracy.

"Saying" you are "going to kill someone" is neither conspiracy nor murder; that is called a THREAT.

And even if it's "conspiracy" ... "conspiracy" = conspiracy ... it does NOT equal murder.





Does he have a video, or doesn't he?

Threatening makes him unstable, but a threat isn't an action.





That is fine.

It's not that "I" don't believe the man made a threat; it's that you don't know the difference between a mere threat, a planned conspiracy, and actually doing.

Jack

I am well aware of the difference if a man tells you if you do not do what I ask of you I will take this shot gun I have purchased just for you and come to your home and kill you that is a planned conspiracy stop being such a dick I have done nothing for you to act like that

[Officially Retired]

I am well aware of the difference if a man tells you if you do not do what I ask of you I will take this shot gun I have purchased just for you and come to your home and kill you that is a planned conspiracy stop being such a dick I have done nothing for you to act like that


Your terminology shows you don't know the difference.

I am not being a dick, you are.

I have merely corrected your terminology, and you are getting frustrated with this fact and starting to sound like a crybaby yourself.

You have made many incorrect statements for me to correct them.

I can ignore them if you'd like, but just because I clarify and correct your emotional outbursts doesn't make me "dick" ... but you calling me one, and (now) saying I "condone" BF's behavior, when I do not, is another matter.

Jack

[Eliman]

Calling me a idiot is not being a dick? There is no arguing with you I forgot where I was if you say it it must be true

[Officially Retired]

Calling me a idiot is not being a dick? There is no arguing with you I forgot where I was if you say it it must be true

Um, you seem to forget you LIED and said I "condoned" the behavior ... that makes you an idiot (or a dick), because I didn't.

The truth is, there is no arguing with "you" because you lie to sustain the argument.

Show me where I "condoned" Bull Finch, or admit you were the idiot/dick to say that I did.

So yes, you did do something to deserve being talked to that way :idea:

Try sticking to the truth, try NOT lying, NOT exaggerating, and try using proper terminology, and you might find we actually agree.

You're right, don't forget where you are: a place that is run by someone with a higher IQ than most.

Jack

[Eliman]

I misread what you posted when I said you cadone it I just went back and looked I apologize for that i may be a ignorant country boy but a lier I am not

Even still a rat is a rat

[Officially Retired]

Okay, then let's squash it then. I didn't want to disrespect you either.

Cheers.

[MISTER]

Glad you guys got that out the way bc the bigger issue is the scum that plagues this game. We need to stick together and alert fellow members when someone such as BF is threatening to do harm to a fellow member. Eliman when a man threatens to call the law and keeps provoking a person to say stuff that he could "POSSIBLY" use to hurt that gentleman to me he is a narc. Adding that he's a few nuggets shy of 6-pc makes him even more dangerous. Jack I saw your points as well. We all can agree that this guy needs to be shunned bc with his unstable manner coupled with his drinking nd pill addiction I think its only a matter of time before he does make that call on someone if he's allowed to interact within the community

[CRISIS]

telling somebody your going to kill them is not conspiracy, it is making a mere threat.

it isnt until i talk to my buddy about how im going to carry out the hit, then it becomes CONSPIRACY to commit murder, which me & my buddy can both be charged for (even if im the one who ultimately pulls the trigger!). most of the time (notice i say MOST) its when a crime is already commited that a conspiracy charge gets tacked on.

the guy isnt a rat or snitch for making a threat to inform the authorities. sure it makes em a manipulative piece of shit... but not a snitch necessarily. the day he picks up the phone and calls authorities is when he becomes a certified snitch.


at the end of the day, sounds like the guy is more of a pain in the ass then he's worth. so i dont have to know anything about em to know that its probably better off to stear clear of the guy.

[FrostyPaws]

I don't know Bart, and I don't know the other guy, so I take whatever they both say with a handful of salt and chunk that shit in the street. I certainly don't get worked up about 2 clowns squabbling about some damn dogs. You lay with dogs, you get fleas. If, after repeated warnings, you choose to associate with an asshat like Bart, you reap what you sew.

[AlbinoRhino]

" fool me once , shame on you , fool me twice , shame on me " .... " that dog bites you once , that's his fault , same dogs bites you twice , that's your fault " ... You see the pattern here !?!? Lol