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BSK
12-25-2014, 05:31 PM
I OWN http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=9358 iM HAVING A HARD TIME DECIDIING WHICH MALE TO BREED HER TO. MY CHOICES ARE CRABB'S ROOSTER RED (ID#44833) & A LITTERMATE TO AZ'S LUCKY(ID#34412). BOTH MALES ARE TESTED BULLDOGS AND ARE WORTHY OF BEING BRED WITHOUT LOOKING AT THEIR PEDS. I WAS SET ON BREEDING HER TO THE LITTERMATE OF LUCKY BUT A GUY THAT RUNS TOMBSTONE DOGS ADVISED ME NOT TO ADD SO MUCH BOLIO & GAVE HIS REASONS. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THESE LINES(EVOLUTION ESPECIALLY KAUSE I KNOW U RUN RBJBT DOGS. ANYONE WITH VALUBLE INPUT WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED. THANKS BSK

No Quarter Kennel
12-26-2014, 04:55 PM
I don't think you'll hear from Evo
Good luck

Officially Retired
12-26-2014, 05:12 PM
I don't think you'll hear from Evo
Good luck

This is correct.

I told Evo, on 5 different private occasions, to please not link dogs to his commercial site ... unless his post is in the Classifieds, where ads belong.

He then posted a win in the General section, with a photo linked to this database here ... like he was supposed to ... but then "switched" the link over to his commercial site a day later, thinking he was getting one over on me. He didn't and it cost him 1 month.

Last week, once again, impervious to learning, he again posted a link to his commercial database on the Bloodlines board ... so he won't be here for awhile.

Nothing personal, but my rules will be followed. I gave him a lot more chances than I would most people, but I am not going to have what I say ignored, by anyone.

Jack

BSK
12-26-2014, 09:25 PM
Oh ok, I didn't know. I'm going with Rooster Red (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=44833) though. Thanks.

Officially Retired
12-26-2014, 09:36 PM
Oh ok, I didn't know. I'm going with Rooster Red though. Thanks.

Curious as to why?

I don't know anything about either dog, physically, but I like the pedigree of the first dog better.

Officially Retired
12-26-2014, 09:37 PM
PS: whoever told you "not to add too much Bolio" doesn't know anything about the line ... nor how to read a pedigree ... as none of the dogs you listed is even remotely "heavy Bolio" ...

BSK
12-26-2014, 11:30 PM
He was my choice too Jack. But when my partner went picked him up yesterday he looked as if he hasn't been properly fed & we are putting him through a proper deworming regimen & etc. I was expecting him to be in excellent condition. The guy that own him actually went got him back from the guy that was keeping him for him & brought him here cause he saw his animal wasn't being properly cared for. He's out of town working all the time & didn't know. When he made it to us (on Christmas) his back bone was showing. We gave him Valbazen & ivomec. He also got Valbazen yesterday and she is scheduled to Be Bred today(the 27th). So Im skeptical about breeding her to him just to be cautious. He does'nt seem sick in anyway. He may have just not been properly fed. Any suggestions Jack?

Officially Retired
12-27-2014, 06:20 AM
You're right to question the dog if he's a little off ... nothing worse than breeding to a stud that has his semen compromised and not getting any pups.

My suggestion would be to breed to the dog whose style, abilities, and genetic "stacking" are most likely to produce the athletes you're seeking.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the dogs in your pedigrees to help much, except that Red Pirate was a good dog bred off some very prepotent stock, so I happen to be partial to that element of the pedigrees. The other dogs in there may be good also, but I don't know enough about the Crabb dogs in there, except what they go back to. A lotta things can happen in that many generations, good or bad, so I just don't know enough to be of much help, sorry.

I do know that the Peppermint Patty blood behind Ch Red Pirate (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=1095) is the same blood that helped produce Gr Ch Zukill (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=7526) when bred to Poncho (12 total wins in Zukill's litter), so whoever said you can't keep that blood basically pure has his head you-know-where. Zukill was basically 15/16ths Crum/Hollingsworth/Patrick blood with 1/16th Chinaman, while Red Pirate was 100% Patrick Bolio/Tombstone blood.

Jack

BSK
12-27-2014, 11:56 AM
Thanks Jack. Rooster takes whatever he can get(shoulders,stiffles,legs,etc) he stopped one in 45 that had offed 2 already. The Cooper's male hit one in the stifle 4 months ago & broke the leg & that leg hasn't been used since. I'm told that the Crabb's dogs fight the face targeting the nose area But Rooster as I said is different in that aspect. I did want to concentrate on the Red Pirate Blood, but I wanted to breed to the Cooper dog while I have the chance. His owner is planning on hunting him, Rooster on the other hand will be around because he's lost 2 cutters.

No Quarter Kennel
12-28-2014, 09:48 AM
Pedigree alone, I like the first one much better.
I love how your bitch is bred.

BSK
12-31-2014, 04:02 AM
Thanks No Quarter. I've done 2 sticks will do the third today. I went with Crabb's Rooster Red.

gotap_d
12-31-2014, 11:43 AM
Hope she takes bsk. Nice breeding.

Sub Grappler
12-31-2014, 04:41 PM
Nice bred gyp should be some good one's. I plan on taking this gyp to EVOLUTION KENNELS JACK SPARROW very soon
Gonna get her AI using the TCI method and hoping for the best.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42495

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41494

ragedog10
12-31-2014, 06:11 PM
Nice bred gyp should be some good one's. I plan on taking this gyp to EVOLUTION KENNELS JACK SPARROW very soon
Gonna get her AI using the TCI method and hoping for the best.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42495

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41494

How old is this Jack sparrow dog?
Last time i seen him some were he was 11-12 months old at was standing at stud! Why?

MISTER
12-31-2014, 06:31 PM
How old is this Jack sparrow dog?
Last time i seen him some were he was 11-12 months old at was standing at stud! Why?

He's actually 17mths old which is still fairly young to be a stud. There was a thread on peds online which showed how those guys breed many young animals. From the peds that were entered a few gyps were being bred at ages ranging from 9MTHS old to a year old also there were quite a few young males being bred as well. They have great blood but imho dogs shouldn't be bred at that age on a consistent basis

ragedog10
12-31-2014, 07:13 PM
He's actually 17mths old which is still fairly young to be a stud. There was a thread on peds online which showed how those guys breed many young animals. From the peds that were entered a few gyps were being bred at ages ranging from 9MTHS old to a year old also there were quite a few young males being bred as well. They have great blood but imho dogs shouldn't be bred at that age on a consistent basis

Just wanted to make sure people are hyped about breeding to the same puppy that i seen at stud at 11months old! And i know there is a slim to no chance he could have proved himself to be deemed STUD!
So I guess that answers my question as to why hes being bred, he has a bounch of past good dog in his ped!

MISTER
12-31-2014, 08:00 PM
Just wanted to make sure people are hyped about breeding to the same puppy that i seen at stud at 11months old! And i know there is a slim to no chance he could have proved himself to be deemed STUD!
So I guess that answers my question as to why hes being bred, he has a bounch of past good dog in his ped!

I was gonna start a new thread to get the opinions of others on this particular subject of breeding very young dogs. To answer your question tho from wat I gathered on the thread from the other site they were saying Jack sparrow is a monster

Officially Retired
12-31-2014, 08:08 PM
I heard Jack Sparrow was rolled for his first bump and showed fine talent.

There are more reasons than "being game" to breed a stud (bloodline, displayed talent, to produce pups to make $$, etc.)

Jack

MISTER
12-31-2014, 08:36 PM
I heard Jack Sparrow was rolled for his first bump and showed fine talent.

There are more reasons than "being game" to breed a stud (bloodline, displayed talent, to produce pups to make $$, etc.)

Jack

Ok so what's the logic behind breeding females at the ages ranging from 9-12mths old? Using frozen semen I just can't see the logic behind that besides it's gotta be terribly hard on female. Whelping is hard enough on a fully matured bitch in excellent health. Sorry for getting sidetracked

Officially Retired
12-31-2014, 08:43 PM
Well, there's a lot of logic. Dogs can either produce, or they can't, so you may as well breed them and see.

I haven't bred any 9 month olds, but I have no problem breeding a bitch past a year of age.

We bred the 11 month old Lu Lu to the untouched Hornet, and at 13 months she produced the highest-percentage Poncho stud to ever, Ch Mr. Serious, POR, ROM (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=6826) :mrgreen:

Jack

Black Hand
12-31-2014, 09:43 PM
i agree with jack. I would breed a young bitch just to ensure she could have pups later on. Nothing worst than finding out a prized bitch is a terrible mother or can't have pups after 5 years of owning her. Breeding her early is not a bad idea.

The knock on using something like frozen semen on a young bitch is you have never seen her welp a live litter.

As far as being rough on the bitch. I imagine it is much easier on a young bitch than it would be on an old bitch who never had pups. Older females who never had a litter seem to have more complications which is why you might want to do one early. I believe it was Ed Faron, who has undoubtedly bred a lot of dogs, told me statistically there was no difference in the number of bad mothers or real complications when it was a young bitch vs a mid aged bitch. Either she is a good mother or she is not and there is only one way to find out... Probably better sooner than later.

Officially Retired
12-31-2014, 09:53 PM
This is true, Black Hand.

Young bitches' bones aren't fully-calcified yet, so they're more pliable, so breeding them on their first/second heat helps "break them in" for motherhood.

They may make dumb mistakes, but they learn the ropes so-to-speak, and it tends to mature them out too.

Black Hand
12-31-2014, 10:01 PM
This is true, Black Hand.

Young bitches' bones aren't fully-calcified yet, so they're more pliable, so breeding them on their first/second heat helps "break them in" for motherhood.

They may make dumb mistakes, but they learn the ropes so-to-speak, and it tends to mature them out too.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I was going to say more flexible but I thought it might sound confusing. But that's what I was getting at. Where as an older bitch who never has had pups might actually be the one with the rougher time than the young bitch.

BSK
01-01-2015, 01:14 AM
True Black H waand But Jack wasn't referring to the gyp he was referring to me Breeding to the other male that wasn't up to standard as far as health wise so he said he agree I should Breed to the other male. I did proceed with Breeding to Crabb's Rooster Red so only time will tell.

MISTER
01-01-2015, 03:51 PM
Jack i normally agree with your point of view on most aspects of these dogs, breeding young dogs is something I just can't do. Yea sometimes its needed as a stud dog maybe old and a person may want to get one last litter off him. To make it common practice to breed young animals isnt a good thing bc you dont know what traits youre putting into the next generation nor do you know what traits are lacking. A person can know as much as they want bout a certain animal but if thats made common practice it's a recipe for disaster. How does a person know which individual is undesirable? Sure a cur can produce, a young dog, or even a cold one I just think it shouldnt be made common practice

bolero
01-01-2015, 05:16 PM
i dont thick jack was advocating making it common practice but when someone has been breeding the same line successfully for years i feel they can take chances as long as they do not make a habit out of it like you stated

MISTER
01-01-2015, 05:36 PM
i dont thick jack was advocating making it common practice but when someone has been breeding the same line successfully for years i feel they can take chances as long as they do not make a habit out of it like you stated

Yes I understood what Jack was saying and I can somewhat agree with a person breeding a young dog if they know the line theyre breeding but to continue to breed young unchecked animals for the sake of making a dollar isnt a good thing. No matter how good the blood is in the end using those methods over and over will ruin a good line of consistent bulldogs.

Black Hand
01-01-2015, 06:45 PM
If you are keeping the litter... What's it matter?

GEAUX TIGERS
01-01-2015, 09:00 PM
I actually looked at Jack and he is a good hog dog. I know of many less talented dogs that are being bred. His pedigree is also second to none and he is from a family that is nearly gone. Im not quite sure the difficulty in understanding that jack is too valuable to risk losing in a contest and should be bred. Think about how many great Hollingsworth dogs were lost to matches through the years.

Second, some young bitches have been bred by evo. However, the bitches are off Hollingsworth Bull. They are one of a kind. Im not quite sure why anyone would not think it was a good idea to breed these bitches as soon as they are over a year and physically capable of whelping a litter. I have never seen evo breed bitches under a year or any young bitch that wasnt off a "one of a kind" frozen semen breeding.


The idiots on peds online arguing against this are simply morons hating on the success of evo. They are uninformed and have never seen any of these dogs. If you look at the thread closely, it is obvious that they aren't even competitors in the dogs.

Finally, I assure you monetary gain was not the primary reason for breeding these bitches. For example, evo actually skips heats on his heavy machobuck bitches to make sure they have completely recovered. Evo bred the bitches off bull simply because it was the right thing to do in his judgement.


These are simply my opinions.

Titan Kennels

ragedog10
01-01-2015, 10:24 PM
This might rub some the wrong way b.u.t I only know one way to be and that is truthful!
Truth is anyone breeding young dogs being bred for a ca$h profit can only be call one thing and thats a dam peddler!
If that breeding was done with young dogs that act the part and both dam and sire are dead and said litter stayed put then understandable!
Not knocking anyone for as I dont have to feed them,but just cause a pup looked good for five does not deem him a stud! Have three bad S.O.B that are well over two speed,mouth,smarts! None of that makes them a stud dog to "ME"!

BSK
01-01-2015, 10:59 PM
I think all of this has gotten far away from the topic of my post. The dogs of concern in the topic are all of age & tested. Ms Pillage has Been Bred to Rooster Red

Officially Retired
01-01-2015, 11:09 PM
This might rub some the wrong way b.u.t I only know one way to be and that is truthful!
Truth is anyone breeding young dogs being bred for a ca$h profit can only be call one thing and thats a dam peddler!

Lol, really? At your stage, worrying about trivial things like "what other people are doing"? :lol: :rolleyes:

I personally could give a shit what anyone else does ... if they breed two Grand Champions together ... or two puppies ... I will never buy any dog, from anyone, unless I bred it (or it came from a breeding of two of my dogs).

All I know is, someone better bring a talented, deeply game dog to whip one of mine, whether it comes from a hard-tested bitch I bred ... or her young daughter :lol:

I bred dogs and sold dogs, guess that makes me a "peddler" (dog-seller), lmao, that's very quick of you good sir :lol:




If that breeding was done with young dogs that act the part and both dam and sire are dead and said litter stayed put then understandable!

The thing is, though, the dogs I sold won a lot of fights, in a lot of places, for a lot of years.

Nobody's opinion is worth $0.02 to me when it comes to "how to breed dogs" ... been breeding them long enough to have a pretty good idea of what I'm going to get when I breed two of mine together.




ot knocking anyone for as I dont have to feed them,but just cause a pup looked good for five does not deem him a stud! Have three bad S.O.B that are well over two speed,mouth,smarts! None of that makes them a stud dog to "ME"!

To YOU ... exactly, to you :)

But other people aren't "you" ... and they have the right to make their own decisions with their own dogs.

I agree, MOST people breeding untested dogs together ... haven't actually owned ANY of the dogs in their dogs' pedigrees ... so they're pretty much swingin in the dark :idea:

If I breed an untested gyp, I know everything about her father, her mother, their litter, the parents' litter, etc.

I KNOW what to expect out of virtually every breeding I have ever made. Some may fall short, some may hit the bullseye, but ALL hit the general target :idea:

The worth of what people think, and what people do, will ALWAYS be proven out (one way or another) in their breeding records.

Most people never get on first base. That and that alone is all the criticism needed.

If people are consistently breeding winners, they don't need any comments from The Peanut Gallery :lol:

And that includes you and it includes me :mrgreen:

I can't tell you that "you must" breed your males that have shown talent ... any more than you can tell me "I must not" breed my young gyp who's not been rolled yet :rotflmao:

All I can say is make sure anything you bring to face one of my dogs is VERY GOOD and VERY GAME ... if you expect to join The 12.5% Club ;)

Otherwise, you'll be a member of The 87.5% Club :lol:

Jack

EGK
01-02-2015, 12:10 AM
I was one of those ppl and I shared my opinion. NQK was fine with it and we spoke in private. He knows very respectable ppl that know us. What Evo has accomplished and who THEY are is well respected or simply understood as individuals in dogs. All the weight calling and boasting moved no one on that thread to shock and aw. I don't meet ppl and beg for dogs or kiss ass cause I like and enjoy my own. Im not sentimental about bloodline or none of that. I just like game dogs. I'm a dog man barnone. I'm respectful and just had a difference in opinion. I stated my opinion and left it at that. Don't defend your choice or opinion is all I'm saying. That is what made that long drawn out thread. It's your choice to own if you make it. I just had an opinion. Some big analytical debate on small details is a drag on good useful energy. Im sure I'll do it again and offend someone for a difference of opinion. Not my intention in the least. Peace and blessings in all your endeavors.

Officially Retired
01-02-2015, 05:30 AM
I was one of those ppl and I shared my opinion. NQK was fine with it and we spoke in private. He knows very respectable ppl that know us. What Evo has accomplished and who THEY are is well respected or simply understood as individuals in dogs. All the weight calling and boasting moved no one on that thread to shock and aw. I don't meet ppl and beg for dogs or kiss ass cause I like and enjoy my own. Im not sentimental about bloodline or none of that. I just like game dogs. I'm a dog man barnone. I'm respectful and just had a difference in opinion. I stated my opinion and left it at that. Don't defend your choice or opinion is all I'm saying. That is what made that long drawn out thread. It's your choice to own if you make it. I just had an opinion. Some big analytical debate on small details is a drag on good useful energy. Im sure I'll do it again and offend someone for a difference of opinion. Not my intention in the least. Peace and blessings in all your endeavors.

What are you talking about?

I don't see a single post from you here :confused:

Officially Retired
01-02-2015, 07:46 AM
My apologies, tiger was referring to a post on peds online drawing from your post on breeding young dogs. He was upset cause myself, the Southside boyz, popdog, and a host of others asked NQK why breed a bit cheaper like Honey to a prospect. Everyone was like it's your dog but it doesn't make sense other than monetary gain for a bit cheaper that good to be bred to a prospect. Which he didn't realize because we don't all talk all our business that we all were in the know. They started trying to say what if the young dog had been done. Then it was he'said been looked at. We all knew he had been peeped at in October like 5min. All we said was it's not our dog but to have an $800 price tag on a ped breding on a gamble was rocky. NQK pm'd everyone and we swapped numbers and talked. Evolution got pissed and it was down hill all because 90% of the place on the post were like no not a good practice. Next thing you know it was back and forth nit picking. Guys on the thead dragged out like 10 breeding of untested dogs with high tags on them. The 2 or 3 people that defended the practice all we had Evolution dogs and we're doing the same. NQK just erased the thread. Everyone except those few defending were civilized and talked cause we all knew ppl. Evolution got on throwing weights calling folks nobodies and we laughed and made a joke of it. Now folks are still mad. My apologies for even entertaining this on your board. My first opinion on it was not to offend. I like other just knew where one of the animals came from and wondered and it got blown out of proportion. That's the back story though and I lol am one of those idiot haters he referred to. The isn't the board for that though. If you will you can erase my comment if you feel it will only incite tiger more.

Oh, I was just confused is all.

I was like ... where's NQK on here ... where's your posts? :lol:

Sorry, just couldn't figure out what you were talking about :D

Thanks for clarifying!

ragedog10
01-02-2015, 01:32 PM
EGK, said everything i would have said!


With what EGK has said i will only add this, I am a dog lover of all breeds from mutts to pure breds. One day when you people come off the computer stop by your local animal shelter and have a look around. Let me know how many PITBULLS you see with that look that just makes you want to bring them all home and find a better life for them!!!

Low and behold its some young children on here thats reading these post and has himself two 9 month old pups thats hes now going to go breed!

This is just a matter of how "I" see the world .
Like i have said before this may rub some the wrong way cant help that!


I think this topic alone should be touched on more on its own thread! Also it should be kept open with members allowed to speak their part as long as its kept respectful!


Now I never pointed you "JACK" or anyone out from that matter as a peddler b.u.t if you have bred two PUPPIES to each other soley because the ped would fetch great money they hay you raised your hand I didnt point fingers! Lol


With that I ask of us the "MEMBERS" who make this board wat it is,to take a look at how many people pimp our breed from the bs SAPCA,PETA to greedy people that only wants to line their pocket with as much duckets that can fit!
We as a people must save our breed and it starts by making sure that that 12year old who just spent his xmass money on two well bred pups who are off of two well bred pups and plans on breeding the two as soon as she comes in!! Lets make sure that when this same 12 year old then hopes on his fav site"The BIBLE" to read lastest thread hes not mislead is all.

With that I end as I came PEACE!

CRISIS
01-02-2015, 03:37 PM
id love to meet the 12 yr old kid that has a credit card to join this site, much less, poney up the half a stack to buy 2 pups. its a little far fetched imo., but hey... it is 2015, so....maybe... lol

one thing i have noticed with the more time i spend around dog people, is how loosely the term "peddler" is tossed around (mostly on the internet.
if you use what you sell,(or better yet, keep the litter) than i dont see the issue. rather its a good practice or bad practice, it shouldnt matter to you unless it affects "you".

the dogs you find in the pound i can assure you were not bred by folks who are even in the same ballpark as the quality/caliber of breeder that we are discussing here. i can assure you wont find too many well bred dogs that somebody paid serious cash for in the pound.

MISTER
01-02-2015, 03:57 PM
id love to meet the 12 yr old kid that has a credit card to join this site, much less, poney up the half a stack to buy 2 pups. its a little far fetched imo., but hey... it is 2015, so....maybe... lol

one thing i have noticed with the more time i spend around dog people, is how loosely the term "peddler" is tossed around (mostly on the internet.
if you use what you sell,(or better yet, keep the litter) than i dont see the issue. rather its a good practice or bad practice, it shouldnt matter to you unless it affects "you".

the dogs you find in the pound i can assure you were not bred by folks who are even in the same ballpark as the quality/caliber of breeder that we are discussing here. i can assure you wont find too many well bred dogs that somebody paid serious cash for in the pound.

I know of about 6 that were snatched up last month not bc of dogfighting but bc of the deplorable conditions they were living in. A pair came from evo so I know they cost good coin plus the shipping. I've lost count of how many times I've heard folks say ”I wish I'd kept that dog/puppy.

ragedog10
01-02-2015, 04:10 PM
I know of about 6 that were snatched up last month not bc of dogfighting but bc of the deplorable conditions they were living in. A pair came from evo so I know they cost good coin plus the shipping. I've lost count of how many times I've heard folks say ”I wish I'd kept that dog/puppy.
And for that reason alone we only breed what we need! And thats a great point you just made they mass produce litters and they end-up in a shit whole of a yard with someone that cant see them for anything more the a quick flip! But your a respectable breeder!

Black Hand
01-02-2015, 04:32 PM
We all create our own individual standards and try to adhere to them as best as possible but the key word there is individual. You don't agree with someone else's methods then don't employ them? Don't use those methods, use your own. wether you want to breed young dogs, sell dogs, keep them all, use them all... Do what suits you. Criticizing isn't going to change anything. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what happens when you breed generations of untested stock over and over. Having 4 generations of 9 month old mothers or stud dogs who's nuts just dropped is a far cry from using key individuals who are off good dogs or historic animals from frozen semen. What is important to you may not be important to me and the value of those young dogs to me may be very different to you. I just like to worry about my own dogs and my own standards.

CRISIS
01-02-2015, 06:52 PM
We all create our own individual standards and try to adhere to them as best as possible but the key word there is individual. You don't agree with someone else's methods then don't employ them? Don't use those methods, use your own. wether you want to breed young dogs, sell dogs, keep them all, use them all... Do what suits you. Criticizing isn't going to change anything. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what happens when you breed generations of untested stock over and over. Having 4 generations of 9 month old mothers or stud dogs who's nuts just dropped is a far cry from using key individuals who are off good dogs or historic animals from frozen semen. What is important to you may not be important to me and the value of those young dogs to me may be very different to you. I just like to worry about my own dogs and my own standards.

where the like button? lol

ragedog10
01-02-2015, 08:10 PM
id love to meet the 12 yr old kid that has a credit card to join this site, much less, poney up the half a stack to buy 2 pups. its a little far fetched imo., but hey... it is 2015, so....maybe... lol

one thing i have noticed with the more time i spend around dog people, is how loosely the term "peddler" is tossed around (mostly on the internet.
if you use what you sell,(or better yet, keep the litter) than i dont see the issue. rather its a good practice or bad practice, it shouldnt matter to you unless it affects "you".

the dogs you find in the pound i can assure you were not bred by folks who are even in the same ballpark as the quality/caliber of breeder that we are discussing here. i can assure you wont find too many well bred dogs that somebody paid serious cash for in the pound.

I tell you this its many of young people that want to have the tuffest dog on the block. Also at 12 years old my son paid a stud fee to get his own litter off my bitch. And at 14 he can and will put breedings together that are most grown people cant understand his combo!
And in this day in age young children do everything on the internet!


What makes it any diffrent from a puppy mill with lil toy breeds with matted fur kept in cages? Because their pitbulls out on chains or in a kennel run? Anyone who mass produce puppies with a $ in their eyes is a peddler,weather it be a toy breed or a game breed or hunting breed!!


And how can you be so sure that most pitbull in the pound didnt come from a high end kennel?
Also these remarks are not geared at ANYONE, b,u,t more so a discussion with board members voicing their opinions!
And trust me I have donated my time to these shelters and all to often you have people dropping off a pure bred dog of all breeds that they paid top $ for reg paper work in hand!

Lasse
01-15-2015, 09:15 AM
I'm told that the Crabb's dogs fight the face targeting the nose area But Rooster as I said is different in that aspect. I did want to concentrate on the Red Pirate Blood.


Nice bred gyp should be some good one's. I plan on taking this gyp to EVOLUTION KENNELS JACK SPARROW very soon
Gonna get her AI using the TCI method and hoping for the best.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=42495

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41494

Did you consider to breed your Crabb's Ms. Pillage bitch to Affliction's Socx (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php)? The dog is at stud at the other apbt database. If I were you and I would like to concentrate on the Ch. Red Pirate dog that maybe would be/have been my choice. Of course I realise that this would be a brother to sister breeding and would tighten up the already tight bred Crabb blood even more. But if the blood is working and both dogs carry the physical and mental qualities you are looking for why not.

Damn! Your thread got totally raided and taken off topic.

MISTER
01-15-2015, 12:26 PM
Did you consider to breed your Crabb's Ms. Pillage bitch to Affliction's Socx (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php)? The dog is at stud at the other apbt database. If I were you and I would like to concentrate on the Ch. Red Pirate dog that maybe would be/have been my choice. Of course I realise that this would be a brother to sister breeding and would tighten up the already tight bred Crabb blood even more. But if the blood is working and both dogs carry the physical and mental qualities you are looking for why not.

Damn! Your thread got totally raided and taken off topic.

Soxc hasn't sired a puppy to date, my boy could've got him free a few months ago but declined

Blueprint
01-15-2015, 03:36 PM
Damn hate to hear that about Socx. I'm breeding my boy Bear to my bitch Diamond soon. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_testbreeding.php?sire_id=37802&dam_id=17057
Also Bear and Miss Pillage have been bred before with good results.

BSK
01-15-2015, 05:49 PM
Bear x Diamond should work really good Bro

MISTER
01-15-2015, 06:31 PM
Damn hate to hear that about Socx. I'm breeding my boy Bear to my bitch Diamond soon. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_testbreeding.php?sire_id=37802&dam_id=17057
Also Bear and Miss Pillage have been bred before with good results.

Yea man we was gonna breed a bitch to him but we knew of him being bred to multiple bitches to no avail. Damn shame. Nice breeding bro

Blueprint
01-15-2015, 09:54 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys. Bulldogs in bulldogs out is what I'm expecting. :D