((( DOG OF THE YEAR )))

[Officially Retired]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/pics/dog_011369_01.JPG
Face 2 Face & El Solo's Gr Ch Titere (7xW) multi-DOY (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=11369)

I was pretty disappointed that the SDJ did not give Gr Ch Titere (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=11369) the DOY Title for 2014 that he justly deserved.

I was debating over on PedsOnline that, in the Year of 2014, which is the only thing relative to this DOY Title, Titere did something no other dog did, and that was beat a 6xW/GrCh/DOY ... AND ... become a 7xW :idea:

That is a "better accomplishment" for the year of 2014 than any other dog on the face of this earth achieved.

Therefore, logic would hold that Titere, not some "other dog" (who did something less important) should earn the title of DOY.

I realize that some other dogs did some great things (beat Champions, became Grand Champion, etc.)

However beating "a Champion" isn't beating a 6xW/GrCh/DOY, is it?
And even becoming a 5xW is flyshit, historically, compared to becoming a 7xW :idea:

If we're going to stick with FACTS, Gr Ch Titere achieved TWO things most dogs never do ... (1) became a legit 7xW and (2) *beat* a 6xW to do it.

Any year is filled with dogs that beat Champions. Happens all the time.
However, beating a GRAND Champion does *not* happen all the time.

And while becoming a 5xW is also a great accomplishment, the fact is there are twenty 5xWs for every one 7xW there is.
Folks, very, very, very few dogs ever make it to 7xW ... and even fewer dogs get there by beating a fellow Gr Ch to do it :idea:
The last time any dog did what Titere did (become a 7xW by beating a fellow Gr Ch) was when Buck beat Sandman ... and Sandman wasn't a DOY ... and Buck barely won, where Titere won decisively.

Good as some of the other contestants were, there is NO WAY IN HELL any of them made the TWO historical accomplishments that Gr Ch Titere made in the year 2014.

No disrespect to the SDJ, but it was a very poor decision on the editor's part not to give the great Gr Ch Titere the HONOR he deserved ... because it will be a cold day in hell before another dog achieves what he has achieved ... while it is commonplace for dogs "beat Champions" and even to "become 5xWs" ...

So my hat is off to Gr Ch Titere, who (in the opinion of The Pit Bull Bible Online APBT Database) was absolutely THE DOG of the year 2014 :hatsoff:

Jack

[S_B]

:hatsoff:

:appl:

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

I VOTE a 1xw (that`s right) I said a 1 X W. and that dog is "BlackRock`s Nazi" 1xw G.I.S !!! No animal has been able to take what he has done and keep going too the end... LET ALONG WIN. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=827

OR ART, who made one of the gamest scratches i seen in many years http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45605

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

Now that`s a rare photo!! none of you have ever seen! i have him all the way across! G.I.S this night in mexico, what a dog!

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

when one can give it all, when one goes.. when he shouldn't, when you no he can`t ...but he/she does it anyway.... that my friend.. is NOT just a dog of the year, Not only is It a dog of that moment, That`s a dog of a LIFETIME!...NAZI DID THIS!

[S_B]

How is Art bred?

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

I put him in the database http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45605 G.I.S DEADGAME

[BULLDOG ANONYMOUS]

ART has no offspring, He was never bred, But he has a story,and it has to be told! ;)

[Officially Retired]

I VOTE a 1xw (that`s right) I said a 1 X W. and that dog is "BlackRock`s Nazi" 1xw G.I.S !!! No animal has been able to take what he has done and keep going too the end... LET ALONG WIN. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=827

I don't think Nazi did his thing in 2014 though. I think it was like 2012-13(?)

Still, as game as he was, I don't think winning almost-dead-game is as historically-significant as beating a 6xW/DOY and earning a 7xW Gr Ch title ...

Jack

[ragedog10]

Jack I agree with you. Living legend El Titere!!!!! I'm a little bit biased though lol

[Officially Retired]

I think anyone who's honest, and who looks at the facts, and compares them to any other dog's historical accomplishments, can do nothing but acknowledge Gr Ch Titere's accomplishments for what they are.

A living legend, no doubt about it :-bd

[ragedog10]

When I saw the SDJ didn't give it to him I was disappointed as he made history beating a DOY and doing it in impressive fashion a legendary animal. Grip is a great dog also so Congrast to him and his camp.

[Officially Retired]

When I saw the SDJ didn't give it to him I was disappointed as he made history beating a DOY and doing it in impressive fashion a legendary animal. Grip is a great dog also so Congrast to him and his camp.

True. It is tough to make a decision when there are other worthy dogs.

But there really is nothing to debate as far as level of accomplishments go.

Doesn't mean these other dogs aren't truly awesome animals, with truly worthy accomplishments; it just means the wins they had were not as historically-significant as the win Titere pulled off.

And winning 5 is not winning 7 ...

[ragedog10]

And the next generation is looking just as strong. :)

[ragedog10]

Absolutely like I said before regardless of the DOY winner some will always disagree, but Grip is deserving.

[S_B]

Absolutely like I said before regardless of the DOY winner some will always disagree, but Grip is deserving.

But El Titere is more deserving! ;)

[ragedog10]

I'm biased so of course he should of won DOY lol

[Easy]

Jack I do agree which your choice of Titere; but to Triangle Gang's defense, Grip (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45654) did defeat a Gr.Ch(8xw) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45660) to make GrCh. And what is even more impressive is that I hear TG is still out on the trail with him.

[Officially Retired]

Jack I do agree which your choice of Titere; but to Triangle Gang's defense, Grip (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45654) did defeat a Gr.Ch(8xw) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=45660) to make GrCh. And what is even more impressive is that I hear TG is still out on the trail with him.

That is a hard call to make, and thank you for the additional info.

Still, as great as a 4xW beating an 8xW is, it does not have the same historical impact as the 2012 DOY facing the 2013 DOY ... for a Clash of the Titans in 2014 ... with both being 6xWs ... and one losing game while the other went on to win a 7th run.

As great as a 4xW beating an 8xW is, it does not have the same historical impact as the 2012 DOY facing the 2013 DOY ... for a Clash of the Titans in 2014 ... with both being 6xWs going for #7 ... and one losing game while the other goes on to win his 7th run.

The accomplishment of Grip is outstanding (winning 5, beating an 8xW) ... but the historical significance is only so-so.

The accomplishment of Titere is likewise outstanding (winning 7, beating a 6xW) ... but the historical significance of one DOY facing last year's DOY ... pushing weight ... and winning decisively to earn his 7th run, will quite likely never be repeated again.

For a magazine to have two of its 6xW/GrCh/DOYs, back-to-back, face each other for the next year to settle it ... was the story of a lifetime.

All of these dogs deserve Honorable Mention, but Titere's win has to be seen as the most historically-significant.

Jack

[Easy]

I do most certainly agree with your pick of Titere and the reasoning behind it.

[Macker]

It's nice to see a dog get his or her dues and the DOY award but I honestly think the important title the dog earned was the 7xw status. The main thing about these dogs is that they undisputedly earn all there titles i.e 1xw, 2xw, Ch, Gr Ch, POR, ROM and so on, these are the titles that really matter, the DOY title is the only one that comes down to people's actual opinion rather than the proving ground, there for in my opinion it's the absolute least important of all the above along with the BIS title.

People's opinions will always differ or be bias so those titles can always be taken with a pinch of salt and a 7xw should always be taken very seriously.

[S_B]

I have to disagree with you Jack on a 4xw beating an 8xw being a "so-so" accomplishment.

That's one helluva great accomplishment and It deserves a huge nod!!

But it doesn't compare to what GR CH Titere accomplished. That is truly an exceptional feat, one that could be compared the the Triple Crown of horse racing.

Now back to the Bible's DOY, if GR CH Titere can make ROM on top of what's he's done....all I can say is WOW!!!

Good luck to the folks behind him, yes I just issued you 1 more challenge! ;)8)

S_B

[Officially Retired]

I have to disagree with you Jack on a 4xw beating an 8xw being a "so-so" accomplishment.

That's one helluva great accomplishment and It deserves a huge nod!!

But it doesn't compare to what GR CH Titere accomplished. That is truly an exceptional feat, one that could be compared the the Triple Crown of horse racing.

Now back to the Bible's DOY, if GR CH Titere can make ROM on top of what's he's done....all I can say is WOW!!!

Good luck to the folks behind him, yes I just issued you 1 more challenge! ;)8)

S_B

I agree with your disagreement :lol: ... it was indeed an exceptional accomplishment.

I mean, essentially, when you said next ... in that "it does not compare" to the accomplishment of Titere.

But it certainly was one hell of an accomplishment compared to what most dogs achieve.

[Officially Retired]

It's nice to see a dog get his or her dues and the DOY award but I honestly think the important title the dog earned was the 7xw status. The main thing about these dogs is that they undisputedly earn all there titles i.e 1xw, 2xw, Ch, Gr Ch, POR, ROM and so on, these are the titles that really matter, the DOY title is the only one that comes down to people's actual opinion rather than the proving ground, there for in my opinion it's the absolute least important of all the above along with the BIS title.
People's opinions will always differ or be bias so those titles can always be taken with a pinch of salt and a 7xw should always be taken very seriously.


I agree with the gist of what you're saying: facts vs. opinions.

Becoming a 7xW is a fact, winning DOY is an opinion.

However, to suggest opinions don't matter at all is wrong I think.

If a dog wins BIS, yes that's an opinion, but it shows the level of win. A dog may "win," factually, but be unimpressive in the win.
Another dog may win also, but this dog has everyone going crazy with excitement as to his ability.

Both dogs are winners, factually, but it's how they win that impresses (or doesn't impress).

If a person is going to run a mag, and give out awards, then he has to have "reasons" for giving these awards that are easy to understand for the readership.

It is easy to understand why a dog winning his 5th over an 8xW would qualify him for consideration for DOY status.

However, when one of your own mag's DOYs faces the next year's DOY, for a clash on the following year, and they're two 6xWs Gr Chs going at it ... I don't see how that is not the bigger of the two great stories.

It is subjective in a sense, I agree, but FACTUALLY it is also the only time two successive DOYs faced each other in a head-to-head ... and therefore the biggest story of all.

Jack

[Macker]

I agree jack, I also believe titere is the ritefull DOY, what he done is the stuff of legends and the fact the two parties put this show together rather than held there two 6xw DOY's back to breed from also is the kind of stuff that I have to tip my hat at, it all makes for amazing stories. The fact that Titere didn't receive the honour is the exact reason that the DOY title holds very little salt with me and backs up my point.

Rather read the open opinions of the guys on here as to what there DOY is and why than read what the sdj thinks is the DOY, no disrespect to the mag but at the end of the day live debate outdoes it every day in my book.

[Johan]

I believe that the comunity has one doy and the mag one doy.

i believe that the true doy will come in to the light soon enough.

I dont have all the facts at all, just reading whats been said all over.

[No Quarter Kennel]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/pics/dog_011369_01.JPG
Face 2 Face & El Solo's Gr Ch Titere (7xW) multi-DOY (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=11369)

I was pretty disappointed that the SDJ did not give Gr Ch Titere (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=11369) the DOY Title for 2014 that he justly deserved.

I was debating over on PedsOnline that, in the Year of 2014, which is the only thing relative to this DOY Title, Titere did something no other dog did, and that was beat a 6xW/GrCh/DOY ... AND ... become a 7xW :idea:

That is a "better accomplishment" for the year of 2014 than any other dog on the face of this earth achieved.

Therefore, logic would hold that Titere, not some "other dog" (who did something less important) should earn the title of DOY.

I realize that some other dogs did some great things (beat Champions, became Grand Champion, etc.)

However beating "a Champion" isn't beating a 6xW/GrCh/DOY, is it?
And even becoming a 5xW is flyshit, historically, compared to becoming a 7xW :idea:

If we're going to stick with FACTS, Gr Ch Titere achieved TWO things most dogs never do ... (1) became a legit 7xW and (2) *beat* a 6xW to do it.

Any year is filled with dogs that beat Champions. Happens all the time.
However, beating a GRAND Champion does *not* happen all the time.

And while becoming a 5xW is also a great accomplishment, the fact is there are twenty 5xWs for every one 7xW there is.
Folks, very, very, very few dogs ever make it to 7xW ... and even fewer dogs get there by beating a fellow Gr Ch to do it :idea:
The last time any dog did what Titere did (become a 7xW by beating a fellow Gr Ch) was when Buck beat Sandman ... and Sandman wasn't a DOY ... and Buck barely won, where Titere won decisively.

Good as some of the other contestants were, there is NO WAY IN HELL any of them made the TWO historical accomplishments that Gr Ch Titere made in the year 2014.

No disrespect to the SDJ, but it was a very poor decision on the editor's part not to give the great Gr Ch Titere the HONOR he deserved ... because it will be a cold day in hell before another dog achieves what he has achieved ... while it is commonplace for dogs "beat Champions" and even to "become 5xWs" ...

So my hat is off to Gr Ch Titere, who (in the opinion of The Pit Bull Bible Online APBT Database) was absolutely THE DOG of the year 2014 :hatsoff:

Jack

No argument here. I agree 100%

[YELLOWJOHN]

I'm in no way knocking nor discrediting Gr Ch Grip but I'm just curious to know if the fraternity is aware of the age of the 8XW that he beat?!?...8....that's right 8!!! And my next question is how does Gr Ch Patty Cake gets female dog of the year when she hasn't been shown in 2 years!?!

This bitch made Champ in less than a year against top comp and make champ against a Bad Ass 4XW going for Gr Champ in less than an hour...sorta make you scratch your head!

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=43990

[Officially Retired]

Did not know the 8xW was eight ... that kinda sours things.

Yeah, as far as Pretty goes, winning 3 in one year (and beating two Champions) is pretty impressive.

Sounds like they may be running her into the ground though ...

[loot]

Did not know the 8xW was eight ... that kinda sours things.

Yeah, as far as Pretty goes, winning 3 in one year (and beating two Champions) is pretty impressive.

Sounds like they may be running her into the ground though ...


Agree Jack, time will tell.

[Macker]

I'm in no way knocking nor discrediting Gr Ch Grip but I'm just curious to know if the fraternity is aware of the age of the 8XW that he beat?!?...8....that's right 8!!! And my next question is how does Gr Ch Patty Cake gets female dog of the year when she hasn't been shown in 2 years!?!

This bitch made Champ in less than a year against top comp and make champ against a Bad Ass 4XW going for Gr Champ in less than an hour...sorta make you scratch your head!

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=43990

I rest my case, the whole thing is full of holes. Theres always a scandal.

Here's what I propose. Every year for the month of December we put up a tread "The Pitbull Bible DOY and BOY" and the members put forward they're nominations and reasons for nomination, we debate it for the month, get all the particulars out in the open then for the first week in January we turn the tread into a Poll and vote.

I think before long the fraternity will be more interested in the pbb DOY than any other.

[ragedog10]

I rest my case, the whole thing is full of holes. Theres always a scandal.

Here's what I propose. Every year for the month of December we put up a tread "The Pitbull Bible DOY and BOY" and the members put forward they're nominations and reasons for nomination, we debate it for the month, get all the particulars out in the open then for the first week in January we turn the tread into a Poll and vote.

I think before long the fraternity will be more interested in the pbb DOY than any other.

Sounds very good!

[ragedog10]

I have to disagree with you Jack on a 4xw beating an 8xw being a "so-so" accomplishment.

That's one helluva great accomplishment and It deserves a huge nod!!

But it doesn't compare to what GR CH Titere accomplished. That is truly an exceptional feat, one that could be compared the the Triple Crown of horse racing.

Now back to the Bible's DOY, if GR CH Titere can make ROM on top of what's he's done....all I can say is WOW!!!

Good luck to the folks behind him, yes I just issued you 1 more challenge! ;)8)

S_B

Like the way ya think! ROM for him and his daddy.His litter mate brother is half way there!

[Officially Retired]

I rest my case, the whole thing is full of holes. Theres always a scandal.

Here's what I propose. Every year for the month of December we put up a tread "The Pitbull Bible DOY and BOY" and the members put forward they're nominations and reasons for nomination, we debate it for the month, get all the particulars out in the open then for the first week in January we turn the tread into a Poll and vote.

I think before long the fraternity will be more interested in the pbb DOY than any other.


That sounds like a deal :pirate:

[scratchin dog]

how does Gr Ch Patty Cake gets female dog of the year when she hasn't been shown in 2 years!?!

I believe you meant Gr Ch Combo's Sweetie, not Gr Ch Patty Cake. Patty Cake is RIP.

[scratchin dog]

I rest my case, the whole thing is full of holes. Theres always a scandal.

Here's what I propose. Every year for the month of December we put up a tread "The Pitbull Bible DOY and BOY" and the members put forward they're nominations and reasons for nomination, we debate it for the month, get all the particulars out in the open then for the first week in January we turn the tread into a Poll and vote.

I think before long the fraternity will be more interested in the pbb DOY than any other.


That sounds like a deal :pirate:


Great idea!

[MISTER]

If jack uses his way of thinking for picking doy imo it'll be way more creditable than the sdj. For the life of me I can't understand how a dog can be even considered if it hasn't raced in that calendar year. This isn't the first time either, when it happened before he got so much backlash he promptly removed the dog

[YELLOWJOHN]

I believe you meant Gr Ch Combo's Sweetie, not Gr Ch Patty Cake. Patty Cake is RIP.

You're correct...I did mean Gr Ch Sweetie.

[Johan]

That sounds like a deal :pirate:

great!

[Officially Retired]

Great idea!


If jack uses his way of thinking for picking doy imo it'll be way more creditable than the sdj. For the life of me I can't understand how a dog can be even considered if it hasn't raced in that calendar year. This isn't the first time either, when it happened before he got so much backlash he promptly removed the dog


I really don't know what this guy was thinking, nor why. I believe he made his decision for many reasons, all of them wrong.

That really is a great idea about a PBB DOY "round table" effort. We can take it to the next level by making it a result of community participation.

For example, say I create a thread DOY 2015, beginning of this December, and we all list possible Candidates that come to mind. We argue the pros and cons, etc. Then, after (say) 20 Days of debate, I post a POLL up and let it be a Community Vote for DOY, that way it is a general consensus amongst ALL, after ALL have heard the pros/cons of each dog.

Then, after it's done, I can create an Article for the Database honoring each community-selected DOY, plus listing the Honorable Mentions, giving the Candidates ALL their credit as we definitely feel they deserve a salute for their being considered as well.

That sounds like the best idea for DOY consideration ever 8)

Jack

[Johan]

I really don't know what this guy was thinking, nor why. I believe he made his decision for many reasons, all of them wrong.

That really is a great idea about a PBB DOY "round table" effort. We can take it to the next level by making it a result of community participation.

For example, say I create a thread DOY 2015, beginning of this December, and we all list possible Candidates that come to mind. We argue the pros and cons, etc. Then, after (say) 20 Days of debate, I post a POLL up and let it be a Community Vote for DOY, that way it is a general consensus amongst ALL, after ALL have heard the pros/cons of each dog.

Then, after it's done, I can create an Article for the Database honoring each community-selected DOY, plus listing the Honorable Mentions, giving the Candidates ALL their credit as we definitely feel they deserve a salute for their being considered as well.

That sounds like the best idea for DOY consideration ever 8)

Jack

Do it !!

[S_B]

I really don't know what this guy is thinking, nor why. I think he made his decision for many reasons, all of them wrong.

That really is a great idea about a PBB DOY "round table" effort. We can take it to the next level by making it a result of community participation.

For example, say I create a thread DOY 2015, beginning of this December, and we all list possible Candidates that come to mind. We argue the pros and cons, etc. Then, after (say) 20 Days of debate, I post a POLL up and let it be a Community Vote for DOY, that way it is a general consensus amongst ALL, after ALL have heard the pros/cons of each dog.

Then, after it's done, I can create an Article for the Database honoring each community-selected DOY, plus listing the Honorable Mentions, giving the Candidates ALL their credit as we definitely feel they deserve a salute for their being considered as well.

That sounds like the best idea for DOY consideration ever 8)

Jack

Jack I really like this idea but maybe we should put it up in November? Give a bit more than 20 days of debate, just so we get everyone's participation as some are very busy in December. :idea:

Credit to Macker for coming up with this! Great job! :-bd

[Officially Retired]

Jack I really like this idea but maybe we should put it up in November? Give a bit more than 20 days of debate, just so we get everyone's participation as some are very busy in December. :idea:

Credit to Macker for coming up with this! Great job! :-bd

Agree, credit to Macker for this great idea.

However, I think 30 days of straight debate is plenty of time, especially followed by (say) 10 days of voting the first week+ of January.

In fact, we can start with this year ...

Jack

[Macker]

Dogs are shown right up to Christmas every year so for every dog to have the chance to take part the idea of November wouldn't work.

[S_B]

Dogs are shown right up to Christmas every year so for every dog to have the chance to take part the idea of November wouldn't work.

Ahh good point.