Ch Critical Bill and Breadboy's Jake

[mitchm]

Hi, does anyone have information on Ch Critical Bill (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=39722) or Breadboy's Jake (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41510). I believe they are the same dog but I can't confirm it. I just need to know before I enter a ped. I have seen both these dogs entered as the sire to Gr Ch Blackface (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=39724) and Ch Miss Kee (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=39725).

Breadboy's Jake being entered as the sire to above dogs on peds database. Any info would be appreciated, thanks.

[S_B]

I have actually been checking on this myself and I'm getting conflicting stories. One source says there was not a Jake in that litter and another says there was. And then there is the call name on Critical Bill's pedigree...Jake.

So I would like to know this as well.

[mitchm]

Here is the story of CH (GARRETT’S) RAMROD’S TRAMP (4XW) ROM, it does talk about the Ch Jake dog out of Markley's Precious


The dog that became known as Ramrod’s Tramp was whelped on the yard of James Garrett in September of 1987. He is referred to as a straight cross between the Jeep and Red Boy bloodlines. He was sired by the famed Crenshaw’s Champion Jeep, one of the highest producing Register of Merit males of this era. His dam was also a highly noted producing female known as Marlowe’s Tabby Girl. Even though she is not noted as an ROM, she is known to be a noted Producer on Record (POR), as she also produced Champion Ernie, Champion Little Red Boy, and the highly noted producer, the litter mate brother to Champion Tramp, White’s (Garrett’s) Tab Register of Merit.

Ramrod went down to the yard of James Garrett and took a liking to Tramp right away. Even at three months old Tramp had a wild, crazy attitude and a absolute love of life. He never lost this crazy spirit as he grew older. Ramrod stated that when he would take Tramp for a walk, he would always, without fail; end up having to drag him home. Tramp would always grab the leash in his mouth and start pulling, jerking, tugging and shaking it all the way home. No matter what Ramrod would do, Tramp would never turn it loose. If he did manage to get it away from him, Tramp would quickly get another hold and start the game again!

Once he was old enough, Tramp began his schooling. His crazy attitude never diminished. He demonstrated early on that he was going to be a straight away head dog. He was rolled about five times and proved to have an average mouth at best. One of the rolls for Tramp was against the eight time winner Ernie, who was also on Ramrods yard at the time.

With all of this behind him, it was in the late of spring in 1989, that the decision was made to open him up to professional competition.

His debut was to be against Smith’s Hammer, a tight bred Eli dog, with the weights set at Forty-Seven pounds. He was still know as and reported as Garret’s Tramp at the time. Miller was selected as the Referee. Upon release, both dogs begin to swap out chest holds. However, at the Fifteen Minute Mark, Tramp gets into the shoulder on Hammer and does some damage, taking the shoulder out. This fight belongs to Tramp all the way. The mouth on Tramp must have improved, because Hammer makes a turn at the Twenty-Four Minute Mark and at the Twenty-Five Minute Mark the fight is conceded and Hammer is picked up and Tramp is declared the winner of his first professional competition.

Nate and Company’s Macho dog. The weights were set at Forty-Five pounds this time out. The Macho dog was sired by Tackett’s Champion Sam and whelped by Champion Sis. Champions Sam and Sis stem from the breeding of Jeep/Miss Rage and Eli dogs. Big John was the selected referee.

Ramrod only had about three weeks to prepare Tramp for this contest, as he had taken over the contest for Bailey. This time he was reported as Garrett & Ramrod’s Tramp. Upon release Macho went straight into the front shoulder on Tramp. However, Tramp counters by absolutely destroying the face on Macho. Macho simply cannot keep up with Tramp. It was so bad, that the handler conceded this contest and picked up Macho at the Twenty-Six Minute Mark. Both dogs make good courtesy scratches and Tramp is now a two time winner.

One prominent fancier present at the time offered Ramrod $600.00 for Tramp on the spot. Ramrod, of course, turned him down.

After several months of well earned rest coming to him, his third and Championship contest was set in the first part of 1990, against Mike’s Mo Power, a two time winner coming from some Boomerang/ Pat Patrick breeding. It had been reported that Mo Power had such a devastating bite that he had killed both his previous opponents in less than Twenty Minutes. The weights were once again set at Forty-Five pounds. R. Johnson was selected as the Referee for this contest. The fight was again reported as Garrett’s and Ramrod Kennels’ Tramp. Upon release it is Tramp that now comes out hard and fast. He goes straight into the throat on Mo Power. Sometimes in these events tragedy happens, as in all sports. It would appear that due to a hard, perfect hit, that Tramp either clotted or busted the main artery on Mo Power, because he went downhill fast. Try as hard as they might to save him, Mo Power had passed away by the Thirty-Four Minute Mark and Tramp was declared a Champion. This was a contest that was talked about for a long, long time and is still remembered by the many fanciers around the Chicago area. However, his story did not end here.

He took the complete year of 1991 off and just enjoyed life itself and making a few babies along the way, with some outstanding ladies, that now found him most attractive.

However, the report was ran in the January – February 1992 Issue of the Sporting Dog Journal concerning his fourth win. This time it was reported as Ramrod’s Champion Tramp coming out.

Our Gang Kennels had the dog Jason that had defeated Champion Triple Ott Rock in under Forty-Five Minutes. Jason was a Carver bred dog. This contest was set at Forty-Seven pounds and Bolman was selected as the referee.

Upon release Jason and Tramp immediately begin to swap out holds. Both dogs are biting hard and both handlers are seeing bleeders within in first three minutes of the contest. Tramp begins to counter the hard, fast moves made by Jason, by fighting the head and working the nose. Tramp gets into the chest and throat and begins to pull ahead by the Twenty Minute Mark. Jason begins to fall farther and farther behind and starts to fade and his handler concedes the contest and picks Jason up at the thirty-seven minute mark leaving Champion Tramp to be declared the winner of his forth contest.

One of the greatest attributes noted for Tramp was his amazing finishing abilities. However, as time passed, he also proved himself to be an outstanding producer. A lot more ladies found him even more appealing now and I mean a lot more.

Remembering that his littermate brother was White’s (Garrett’s) Tab, a listed Register of Merit. One often wonders why Tramp was not listed as well. I realize that some fanciers memories are short. Maybe fanciers cannot recall the Champion Gomez dog that Tramp produced when bred to Goode’s Louise. Champion Gomez was over 10 years old when he passed away in December of 2004. Or how about Dee’s Champion Spider when Tramp was bred to Dupree’s Jezabelle female. She went on through time to become a highly noted producer herself and often referred to as an ROM! Surely fanciers have not forgotten the greatChampion Rommell, another outstanding producer in his own right. He was whelped by the noted producing female Mickel’s (Otter’s) Sassy. Champion Rommell was a highly noted, tremendously game dog. He was also totally blind!

Right there are three Champions that (Garrett’s) Ramrod’s Champion Tramp produced, off three different females. But, let’s not stop there.

(Garrett’s) Ramrod’s Tramp, when bred back to Ramrod’s Rose, produced the Champion Rose female, most over listed as either Luke’s or Viet Nam’s Champion Rose, but sometimes seen as Lonnie’s Champion Rose. She has also been referred to as Lunsford’s Champion Rose. We cannot leave out the Champion Jake dog who won his first four in good competition. He was picked up in his last contest. However, things happen, he was a great dog that should not be over looked when talking about Tramp. Jake was whelped by a fourth female, Markley’s Precious.

Sometimes research of this type can be confusing. Believe me I know!

Ramrod’s Rose, a two time winner, was either the same female as Bulcher’s Mama, or her littermate sister, sired by Gaines’ Fargo and whelped by Gaines’ Bahama Mamma. I could not get this fact confirmed. However, when Ramrod bred this, Rose, Ramrod’s Rose, to Champion Tramp, Champion Rose was then produced.

Well now, there you have five females and five Champions. Should (Garrett’s) Ramrod’s Tramp be listed as a Register of Merit just like his littermate brother Garrett’s (White’s) Tab? I think so.

However, there is still yet another that should be mentioned. That would then make six Champions sired by (Garrett’s) Ramrod’s Champion Tramp. That dog is Lunsford’s Champion Sinbad.

You see, Lunsford’s Champion Sinbad was produced when (Garrett’s) Ramrod’s Champion Tramp was bred directly back to the female known in some cases as Bulcher’s Mama.

Now, like I said, she may be the same female as Ramrod’s Rose, which would make Lunsford’s Champion Sinbad a littermate brother to Champion Rose. Or Mama could be a littermate sister to Ramrod’s Rose, in which case, would the make Champion Sinbad a half brother on the top side and a first cousin on the bottom side to Champion Rose. In either case, they would have an identical pedigree.

Also, in either case, it worked extremely well. Lunsford’s Champion Sinbad went on to become a four time winner.

Well there you have it. A little something to remember about the great dog recorded as (Garrett’s) Ramrod’s Champion Tramp, and definitely recognizable as a Register of Merit dog.

[CYJ]

Hello Mitchm. Seems those are one and the same dog. Several of those dogs have been entered under their different dog owner's names. The Critical Bill should be Deem's Critical Bill and has a ADBA reg.#. Will correct this to give the dog a owner's name. Cheers

[mitchm]

Thanks CYJ, I'll enter my pup once I pick her up.

[ragedog10]

Thanks mitchm love to hear the background on such greats! Always like the tramp line over the Tab stuff only because of the reported breedings off each male! Once again good stuff and thanks for the enjoyed reading!!

[CYJ]

Hello Mitchm. As I looked all the pedigrees over on the on lines pedigree site. Also filled in the other names of the Precious bitch and the PK's KIKO bitch pedigree names in the narratives on this site. I could not get Deem's Critical Bill(Critical Bill) or the Bread Boy's Jake dog to line up as siblings or the siblings off them. Even though both pedigrees are the same.

Which ever dog is shown as the the sire of your puppy will probably be the best dog to use. I am letting both male dogs Deem's Critical Bill and Bread Boy's Jake stand along as separate sibling brothers. One a 4 time winner and the other as not. Unless later, someone finds out else wise. Cheers