CANDIDATES FOR DOY/GDOY 2015

[Officially Retired]

Folks, it will be August tomorrow ... and only 4 months to go for another DOY title (time flies when you're getting old :lol:)

Who do you like for Dog of the Year, and why? Who did they beat? What is their record?

Who do you like for Game Dog of the Year and why? What obstacles did they overcome to win? What obstacles couldn't they overcome ... yet never stopped trying?

This is going to be an ongoing candidacy for a few months, so we give EVERYONE a fair shake (pros, cons, etc.)

Who is your call ... and why?

Jack

[ragedog10]

Well again I'm biased but El Titere for amazing display in come from behind marathon race, not only proving he is the best a live but also a DEEP GAME BULLDOG..

[CrazyRed]

GrCh's Gizzy, Grip (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=45654), Titere (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=11369) and Nereyda (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=45747), then with some more shows to put on dogs like Russian Bobby & Puma might storm to the finish. Ch Jocker (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=47450) might be adding himself to the mix with a showdown soon as well.. Once I get to my laptop I'll add my reasons why. Be patient with me please.

[ragedog10]

I like Gizzy but his opponents records aren't up there with the rest. Puma is said to be a great but he has a ways to go to be a DOY Candidate...

[CrazyRed]

I like Gizzy but his opponents records aren't up there with the rest. Puma is said to be a great but he has a ways to go to be a DOY Candidate...

In Gizzy defense he has actively chased 2 Chs at that weight who keep pushing back or retiring and then un-retire to beat a lesser dog. He still hunting tho and might have best record for season season.. Puma isn't done and he just defeated a ch in a blowout and stalking another..

[Officially Retired]

Well again I'm biased but El Titere for amazing display in come from behind marathon race, not only proving he is the best a live but also a DEEP GAME BULLDOG..

Rage, you know I am a huge fan of Titere, and I do not have a problem giving him a 3rd title ... IF he deserves it ... but I am not sure his struggling to beat a 2xW in 2 hours qualifies.

Winning 8 might be a valid argument for DOY ... but what were the credentials of his opponent, other than whipping a relative of Titere?

Jack

[Officially Retired]

GrCh's Gizzy, Grip (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=45654), Titere (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=11369) and Nereyda (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=45747), then with some more shows to put on dogs like Russian Bobby & Puma might storm to the finish. Ch Jocker (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=47450) might be adding himself to the mix with a showdown soon as well.. Once I get to my laptop I'll add my reasons why. Be patient with me please.


In Gizzy defense he has actively chased 2 Chs at that weight who keep pushing back or retiring and then un-retire to beat a lesser dog. He still hunting tho and might have best record for season season.. Puma isn't done and he just defeated a ch in a blowout and stalking another..


Who did Gizzy beat this year (again "actively chashing" Champions isn't an accomplishment).

Gizzy, Russian Bobby, and Puma are not in this database, does anyone know their pedigrees or have any photos?

Thanks!

Jack

[ragedog10]

The one he beat was open with no takers for a long time with no takers not sure of the exact time. I'll be 100% honest I have the utmost respect for Titere but I didn't see the point in doing the race with a aging legend, but he showed true regained control and proved once again why he is so great...Gizzy to my knowledge hasn't out raced a titled one yet and Puma is off Machobear or one of those dog's I'll post their peds and you can add them and take the links down.

[ragedog10]

Gizzy ped is not up for public.

Here's Puma http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=42714

[Officially Retired]

The one he beat was open with no takers for a long time with no takers not sure of the exact time.

Unfortunately, "being open with no takers" is not an accomplishment.

Hadn't he won 2 previously?




I'll be 100% honest I have the utmost respect for Titere but I didn't see the point in doing the race with a aging legend, but he showed true regained control and proved once again why he is so great...

That would qualify Titere for GDOY, possibly, but not sure if it's DOY material.

His winning 8 qualifies him though. That is extraordinary.




Gizzy to my knowledge hasn't out raced a titled one yet and Puma is off Machobear or one of those dog's I'll post their peds and you can add them and take the links down.

Then Gizzy has no business being considered.

Sorry, I would not give dogs like Mayday, Machobuck, Nine Milli, etc. a DOY title for beating untitled opponents to make Gr Ch.

I was a huge Mayday fan, but no matter how you slice it, the win over Tant's Cody was not DOY material.

Beating fellow Grand Champions, beating 2 Champions in one year, two 4xWs going at it for #5, things like that are DOY material ... not matching your 4xW into a first-time dog.

This is not "hating," this is being honest and having some kind of STANDARDS for a DOY title that qualify these Champion/Grand Champion as extraordinary, over and above other Champions/Grand Champions, in order to be raised to a DOY status or Candidacy. Beating a 1- or 2xW may get you a legit Grand Championship, but it simply is *not* DOY material. Not IMO, and that goes for my own dogs. I would not give Zukill a DOY either, for beating a 2xW for #5.

Jack Kelly can make whatever decisions he wants, based on politics, friendships, or whatever, but this place isn't run by Jack Kelly it's run by CA Jack, lol, and my rules apply to all.

NO ONE gets favorable treatment ... only fairly-analyzed dog merit qualifies.




Gizzy ped is not up for public.

Gizzy doesn't even qualify, so it doesn't matter, but only dogs with peds and photos will be considered for Candidacy here.

Puma's (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=42714) ped was here all along, but there are no wins posted.

What did he do to qualify?

I would like to hear about Nereyda (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=45747), I really like the way she looks, and her resume seems awesome :)

Jack

[S_B]

Rage, you know I am a huge fan of Titere, and I do not have a problem giving him a 3rd title ... IF he deserves it ... but I am not sure his struggling to beat a 2xW in 2 hours qualifies.

Winning 8 might be a valid argument for DOY ... but what were the credentials of his opponent, other than whipping a relative of Titere?

Jack

Titere met the challenges of other CH's & GR CH's, I think it says a lot about the dog and the camp taking on a younger 2xw who defeated his relative. Jack you've said yourself it is risky for a GR CH to take on a 1xw or 2xw because generally they are younger and have less miles and also if the GR CH looses he/she becomes less valuable (to some) and by old SDJ rules goes back to CH status.

S_B

[Officially Retired]

Titere met the challenges of other CH's & GR CH's, I think it says a lot about the dog and the camp taking on a younger 2xw who defeated his relative. Jack you've said yourself it is risky for a GR CH to take on a 1xw or 2xw because generally they are younger and have less miles and also if the GR CH looses he/she becomes less valuable (to some) and by old SDJ rules goes back to CH status.

S_B

Yes, absolutely.

I remain a huge Titere fan and I consider him the finest, most accomplished dog alive on Planet Earth:-bd

However, within the context of "this year," I do not think what he did qualifies him for winning DOY ... but, within the context of his entire career, Gr Ch Titere would have the be the DOG OF THE DECADE ... if not, arguably, once of the most accomplished dogs of all time.

But the standards for a DOY title can't look at "the whole career" ... we can only look at which dog had the most accomplished YEAR, this year :idea:

His winning 8 does qualify him though, as a Candidate, and his coming from way back cements his greatness forever.

Whether he only remains a Candidate, or is elevated once again to receive the designation, will depend on all the facts laid out over the next few months, compared to other Candidates.

I hope he remains retired. He has nothing left to prove.

Jack

[S_B]

I agree Jack, Titere is an amazing animal with equally amazing folks behind him to show his potential. Dog of the decade he certainly would be deserving of.

I also like Nereyda thus far for this year's DOY. :-bd

S_B

[ragedog10]

I m biased towards Titere, he gets DOY every year lol.

[Officially Retired]

LOL, that is the way it should be :)

He certainly has a fan in me :-bd

[ragedog10]

He is a great dog. More than pleased with what we have off him.

[Officially Retired]

Gizzy ped is not up for public.

Here's Puma http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=42714

What did Puma do this year to qualify him to be a Candidate for DOY?

Jack

[HAMMER49]

Jack I'll have to disagree with what you said about Titere. Though that last showing went over 2 hrs, Titere had no real struggle with Smokey. It was over long before the final bell rang. The opposition just refused to admit defeat and allowed their entry to be completely decimated.

Russian Bobby won over a talented 1x in his second showing well under the hour mark.

Puma is a good 2x that is on the search for a third. In the first once he got his feet wet, there was no turning back, and the second was no contest from start to Quick finish. For number 2 there was controversy as he was supposed to be going into Ch Smoking Joe, but after everything was all said and done the guys said it was not Joe, but a look a like with the EXACT same markings.....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=506523

[Officially Retired]

Jack I'll have to disagree with what you said about Titere. Though that last showing went over 2 hrs, Titere had no real struggle with Smokey. It was over long before the final bell rang. The opposition just refused to admit defeat and allowed their entry to be completely decimated.

That is what I thought the first time I heard about the match: Titere didn't struggle, it just went so long because the other side refused to pick up.

Regardless, Titere is Titere, and becoming an 8xW, which is something less than .0001% of any dog has ever done, is a qualifying accomplishment for being "the finest dog of the year."




Russian Bobby won over a talented 1x in his second showing well under the hour mark.

Thank you for the information.

But, to the person who mentioned him, sorry, that is not even close to qualifying for a DOY title.

A nice win, yes.

DOY Candidacy though? Not by a country mile.



Puma is a good 2x that is on the search for a third. In the first once he got his feet wet, there was no turning back, and the second was no contest from start to Quick finish.

Sounds like a really good prospect, but again DOY? Not hardly.




For number 2 there was controversy as he was supposed to be going into Ch Smoking Joe, but after everything was all said and done the guys said it was not Joe, but a look a like with the EXACT same markings.....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=506523

It would be nice if you could take the time to enter the ped here, rather than post a link to that other site.

Don't worry, most people are too lazy to contribute, so you're in common company :rolleyes:

Anyway, it's hard to say if the dog "really was" Ch Smokin' Joe.
A 1xW beating a Champion, to become a 2xW, is a helluva win, but again it is not really DOY Candidacy.
Now, if he beat a second Champion this year, to become a Champion, then that would truly be DOY Candidacy.

For example, last year Ch April II (3xW) (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_profile.php?dog_id=41074) would have won DOY here, were it not for the fact Gr Ch Titere beat a fellow 6xW and DOY to earn his 7th win.

In fact, I still feel guilty for not giving the DOY title to April ... because beating 2 Champions in 1 year ... one a 4xW in over an hour, the second Champion being an all-out-war in which April prevailed in over 3 hours ... is something so great and so special that it deserves DOY Candidacy and selection.

But a 1xW beating a Champion? I just can't get to DOY with that.
Especially a "gosh-it-was-supposed-to-be-a-Champion" ...

Jack

[HAMMER49]

I agree with all of that. Just adding a little to the conversation.

Hey on any pedigree I personally place here of my dogs I'll do my best and make sure its correct. For the others just as a conversation piece please forgive me but I'm not so inclined to do so at this moment.

Indeed April was a really good bitch and had every right to be in the top rankings. What she did in a year was quite impressive. DOA, 4xw, and 3 plus hours. She covered all bases.

[Officially Retired]

I agree with all of that. Just adding a little to the conversation.

And it's much appreciated, thank you.

Even if the dogs' candidacy is ultimately rejected, it is still valuable information which you added, which helps me make up my mind, so again it is very much appreciated :)




Hey on any pedigree I personally place here of my dogs I'll do my best and make sure its correct.
For the others just as a conversation piece please forgive me but I'm not so inclined to do so at this moment.

Understood, and thanks again.




Indeed April was a really good bitch and had every right to be in the top rankings. What she did in a year was quite impressive. DOA, 4xw, and 3 plus hours. She covered all bases.

Agreed.

Except I would raise that appraisal up a bit and call her a truly great bitch :)

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Also, my placing my opinions here at least gives everyone a chance to provide feeback ... correct me ... add additional info, etc.

So it really is a global decision-making effort ... rather than some magazine editor "deciding" what dog is what, with virtually no feedback (and no transparency).

Like I said, there were a lot of past DOYs that I would not have chosen myself.

Fine dogs, yes.
DOY material? No.

The selected Pit Bull Bible DOY winner is going to have to be truly special ... and the process to make that decision is going to be a completely transparent process ... so there is no BS (and no "politics") involved.

I will never accept, or reject, ANY dog based on blood/personality/friendship/ etc.

Our decision will always be based on DOG MERIT WITHIN THE PRESCRIBED YEAR :idea:

Jack

[gotap_d]

What is Puma's show weight?

[stopem]

I believe that http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=31593 should be at least considered for d.o.y. She has beat all 2xwers in 3 different places, in just over a year and awaiting a vet opinion on calcium deposits and another 4xw.

[HAMMER49]

Any new considerations?

Heard a few rumblings about Ch. Chocolatebuck. Planning to close out his year strong.

[HAMMER49]

How is this Gizzy dog bred? Here recently i've heard mention of him, but they don't actually know much about him except he is a Gr.Ch.

[MISTER]

Newly crowned grch goon, he came down a weight class to defeat yet another ch.. He's a true bad ass

[HAMMER49]

Newly crowned grch goon, he came down a weight class to defeat yet another ch.. He's a true bad ass
Nice.

[S_B]

Newly crowned grch goon, he came down a weight class to defeat yet another ch.. He's a true bad ass

Nice x 2!

[gotap_d]

I nominate Freebie for G.D.O.Y. At 17mo Free was taken straight off the chain to go against 1xW Snowball after she collected a forfeit for number 2. Snowball broke Free's leg but couldnt break her will. Free went on to win in 30mins. Next Free was contracted into B.G.O.'s 2xW Pegasus at 30-1/2lbs. Free was a huge underdog and Pegasus was showing her why. At the 13min mark Pegasus broke the same leg Free had broke previously. With the bone protruding Free continued to try her best with 3 legs. At the 30min mark Pegasus dropped down to the other leg and broke that one in 2 places. With 2 broken front legs and several stumbling scratches Free showed what GAMENESS is all about. Stopping Pegasus in 2hrs and completing an extremely game courtesy scratch. I'll post their peds when I get some free time.

[Officially Retired]

I nominate Freebie for G.D.O.Y. At 17mo Free was taken straight off the chain to go against 1xW Snowball after she collected a forfeit for number 2. Snowball broke Free's leg but couldnt break her will. Free went on to win in 30mins. Next Free was contracted into B.G.O.'s 2xW Pegasus at 30-1/2lbs. Free was a huge underdog and Pegasus was showing her why. At the 13min mark Pegasus broke the same leg Free had broke previously. With the bone protruding Free continued to try her best with 3 legs. At the 30min mark Pegasus dropped down to the other leg and broke that one in 2 places. With 2 broken front legs and several stumbling scratches Free showed what GAMENESS is all about. Stopping Pegasus in 2hrs and completing an extremely game courtesy scratch. I'll post their peds when I get some free time.

Did she make it?

[gotap_d]

The vet said because of the severity of her injuries it would be best to euthanize her.

[Officially Retired]

The vet said because of the severity of her injuries it would be best to euthanize her.

What a shame.

One the one hand, I agree that Freebie is a Candidate for GDOY.

On the other, I think her owner(s) are candidates for Fucking Idiots of the Year (and that applies if you're the owner, because I don't care who is, my opinion is the same).

The owner/s basically put no effort into the first one, tossing her in there unconditioned. The bitch took the beating, won on gameness, and suffered a severe injury--but earned her chain spot.

Not satisfied, her owner/s (knowing she was only so-so in ability, and with a compromised limb) put her in there with a killer ... where her old injury was immediately re-broken, and with a new injury achieved, and yet that bitch STILL tried her hardest ... for over 2 hours ... and STILL won for her (undeserving) owners, showing everyone there what these dogs are all about.

And so what does the owner/s do?

On the first match, they couldn't be bothered with conditioning her.

On the second match, after their dog have them everything she had, they couldn't be bothered with spending the time/effort/money required to heal her :-q

The owner(s) is/are UTTER PIECES OF LAZY, WORTHLESS SHIT (imho) and don't deserve to own truly game dogs, as they have no gameness in them themselves.

I would have taken whatever time off work I had to, and stayed with that bitch until she made it.
Not a minute would go by where she didn't know I was in her corner too :idea:
I would have either made sure she lived, or I would have gone down trying everything I could to save her ... as she gave everything she had to win for me.

I would NEVER have intentionally killed her.
You NEVER can tell what will happen unless you TRY.
I can't even imagine failing to try for a bitch who just tried her hardest, and (literally) just gave life-and-limb for me.

Lazy, worthless fuck/s IMO.

A wanton disregard for life, effort, and heart ... indicates a lack of these things in the individual(s).

End of rant.

Jack

[gotap_d]

What a shame.

One the one hand, I agree that Freebie is a Candidate for GDOY.

On the other, I think her owner(s) are candidates for Fucking Idiots of the Year (and that applies if you're the owner, because I don't care who is, my opinion is the same).

The owner/s basically put no effort into the first one, tossing her in there unconditioned. The bitch took the beating, won on gameness, and suffered a severe injury--but earned her chain spot.

Not satisfied, her owner/s (knowing she was only so-so in ability, and with a compromised limb) put her in there with a killer ... where her old injury was immediately re-broken, and with a new injury achieved, and yet that bitch STILL tried her hardest ... for over 2 hours ... and STILL won for her (undeserving) owners, showing everyone there what these dogs are all about.

And so what does the owner/s do?

On the first match, they couldn't be bothered with conditioning her.

On the second match, after their dog have them everything she had, they couldn't be bothered with spending the time/effort/money required to heal her :-q

The owner(s) is/are UTTER PIECES OF LAZY, WORTHLESS SHIT (imho) and don't deserve to own truly game dogs, as they have no gameness in them themselves.

I would have taken whatever time off work I had to, and stayed with that bitch until she made it.
Not a minute would go by where she didn't know I was in her corner too :idea:
I would have either made sure she lived, or I would have gone down trying everything I could to save her ... as she gave everything she had to win for me.

I would NEVER have intentionally killed her.
You NEVER can tell what will happen unless you TRY.
I can't even imagine failing to try for a bitch who just tried her hardest, and (literally) just gave life-and-limb for me.

Lazy, worthless fuck/s IMO.

A wanton disregard for life, effort, and heart ... indicates a lack of these things in the individual(s).

End of rant.

Jack

Thanks for voicing your opinion. I do disagree with most of what you voiced though. First off. Free was taken to a vet, had her bone set and placed in a cast. Her injury was fully healed before she was ever thought of being done again. Secondly you aren't a Licensed, Practicing Veterinarian so when someone needs your opinion on wether to humanely euthanize a dog suffering traumatic and life threatening injuries or to prolong unnecessary pain and agony i'll let them know where they can reach you.

[Officially Retired]

Thanks for voicing your opinion.

That is your right.




I do disagree with most of what you voiced though.

I am sure you do.




First off. Free was taken to a vet, had her bone set and placed in a cast. Her injury was fully healed before she was ever thought of being done again.

Still doesn't change the fact you/they didn't lift a finger to condition her to begin with.

Still doesn't change the fact she seemed to be a so-so dog in ability ... so why match her again?




Secondly you aren't a Licensed, Practicing Veterinarian so when someone needs your opinion on wether to humanely euthanize a dog suffering traumatic and life threatening injuries or to prolong unnecessary pain and agony i'll let them know where they can reach you.

Yeah?

And I could wallpaper a building with the vet reports I have shot down over the last 25 years ... from "licensed, practicing vets."

From at least 50 vets over the years, who said a dog "can't have babesia" in the US ... to a "licensed, practicing vet" who had a dog right in front of him, dying of kidney failure ... the lab results in front of his face ... and who STILL rejected my statement to the owner (over the phone 600 miles away) telling her THE DOG HAS EATEN ANTI-FREEZE ...

The "licensed, practicing vet" said, NO ... and when the woman came home, her boyfriend informed her, "Oh my god, I shook off some antifreeze I spilled on the floor mat right in front of her."

So you can disagree with what I say, and follow bookworm vets who know nothing about bulldogs, again that is your right.

But the very fact you (or whomever it was) DIDN'T EVEN TRY to save that bitch makes you/them UTTER PIECES OF SHIT ... for exactly the reasons I said above.

Jack

[gotap_d]

That is your right.





I am sure you do.





Still doesn't change the fact you/they didn't lift a finger to condition her to begin with.

Still doesn't change the fact she seemed to be a so-so dog in ability ... so why match her again?





Yeah?

And I could wallpaper a building with the vet reports I have shot down over the last 25 years ... from "licensed, practicing vets."

From at least 50 vets over the years, who said a dog "can't have babesia" in the US ... to a "licensed, practicing vet" who had a dog right in front of him, dying of kidney failure ... the lab results in front of his face ... and who STILL rejected my statement to the owner (over the phone 600 miles away) telling her THE DOG HAS EATEN ANTI-FREEZE ...

The "licensed, practicing vet" said, NO ... and when the woman came home, her boyfriend informed her, "Oh my god, I shook off some antifreeze I spilled on the floor mat right in front of her."

So you can disagree with what I say, and follow bookworm vets who know nothing about bulldogs, again that is your right.

But the very fact you (or whomever it was) DIDN'T EVEN TRY to save that bitch makes you/them UTTER PIECES OF SHIT ... for exactly the reasons I said above.

Jack

Frail boned yes! So so in ability not at all. And not trying to save her would have been leaving her where she was. Bringing her to a vet is trying to save her. You dont know the extent of her injuries the vet did. People who Bulldog know there are some that can't be saved. Free finished strong and got to do what she loved.

[Officially Retired]

Frail boned yes! So so in ability not at all.

Point taken.




And not trying to save her would have been leaving her where she was. Bringing her to a vet is trying to save her.

Good distinction, and another point well taken.




You dont know the extent of her injuries the vet did.

True again.

But YOU don't know what would have happened had you tried =; :-t

I personally would have tried as hard to save my bitch afterward, as she tried to win for me when I put her in that position :idea:




People who Bulldog know there are some that can't be saved.

People with intelligence know that you miss 100% of the shots you DON'T TAKE ...

People with heart and character are willing to try as hard as they possibly can ... for those who prove THEY will try as hard as they can too :idea:

Your "easy way out" decision may have been following "a vet's recommendations," but it's been my repeated and consistent experience that "vet opinions" aren't worth a whole lot, ultimately.

To me, this was way beyond "a vet" ... it was A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE: anything that tries THAT hard for me, I am trying THAT hard for it. Period. End of story.

That is just basic decency.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you say in the beginning that your dog just "beat all the odds" by winning in the first place? :shocked: :confused:

Yet you don't give her the chance TO LIVE afterward, by ignoring the vet, and doing EVERYTHING YOU COULD FOR HER ... as SHE did everything you could for you :-w :-q

Buddy, she just finished "ignoring all the odds" for you ... yet you cave in to the odds when it's your turn to reciprocate :confused:

That is just lame, plain and simple.

I can't sugar-coat my honest opinion.

I respect the way you're handling my statements, but I think YOU FAILED YOUR DOG when it counted :censored:




Free finished strong and got to do what she loved.

And you threw her away with both hands, without being willing to give her a chance "to beat all the odds again" ... where it counted.

Denial isn't rebuttal my friend, it is only denial :idea:

Jack

[ragedog10]

With that type of injury should of picked up and could of still had a good one. Sometimes a dog that loses has shown more than the winner.

[Officially Retired]

With that type of injury should of picked up and who could of still had a good one. Sometimes a dog that loses has shown more than the winner.

Well, that's a whole other subject, and you are exactly right, Ragedog.

Gotap said earlier that Freebie was, "Humanely put down" ... as if the desire to be "humane" was his main objective :rolleyes: :confused:

Um, I think Gotap's desire to be "humane" was thrown out the window when he watched his bitch get brutalized, for 2 hours, on 2 broken legs, to make sure he didn't have to lose any money ... and then hauled what was left of her over to a vet.

The real truth is Gotap couldn't be bothered with the TIME, EFFORT, and EXPENSE that the vet told him would have to go into getting that bitch back to a healthy state again.

If we want to clear the air of any bullshit.

Jack

[gotap_d]

With that type of injury should of picked up and who could of still had a good one. Sometimes a dog that loses has shown more than the winner.

I hear what you are saying Rage but i dont agree. Have i picked up before? Yes a few times and will pick up again if need be but I will only pick up when i see my dog has no chance of winning. To each his own.

[ragedog10]

I wasn't there but with legs broken in the manner you say it doesn't seem she could defend herself and won on pure gameness.

[gotap_d]

She showed a tremendous amount of gameness but at no point was she defenseless or her owners would have picked her up.

[gotap_d]

Peggy's pedigree

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=50925

[Officially Retired]

She showed a tremendous amount of gameness

This is the only point on which we agree.




but at no point was she defenseless

Of course.

I am sure (with two compound fractured, and dysfunctional front legs) that she was ahead the whole time :rolleyes:




or her owners would have picked her up.

I doubt that very much.

Anyway, we can debate this forever, but what's done is done.

Try to get a couple of decent photos of her, and post her pedigree, because she damned sure deserves to be remembered ... and is going to be a hard act to follow for GDOY.

Jack

[gotap_d]

Freebie's pedigree

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=50936

[Officially Retired]

Thank you.

Please try to come up with more photos of her (you can post an unlimited number), and maybe a video if possible.

Also, consider providing a more detailed rendition of her deals (without exposing anyone), because she deserves to go down in history.

Jack

[gotap_d]

Thank you.

Please try to come up with more photos of her (you can post an unlimited number), and maybe a video if possible.

Also, consider providing a more detailed rendition of her deals (without exposing anyone), because she deserves to go down in history.

Jack

All the pics of her are larger than 150kb. That was the only one able to be cropped and made smaller than 150kb.

[Officially Retired]

Send everything you have to me.

I will edit/re-size in Photoshop and add.

administrator@thepitbullbible.com

Thanks,

[GLOBALKENNELS]

Puma?? lol

[lightningstrikes]

What is the current list of runner up s

Lightningstrikes

[Officially Retired]

What is the current list of runner up s

Lightningstrikes

No one has bothered to make any additional information available, so there's not much to go on.

This place is what people make it, so if you have suggestions, post them.

If people can think of a worthy dog, but if they lack the initiative to post the account of its exceptionally-game effort, they have no one but themselves to blame after a decision gets rendered and said dog wasn't included in the process.

The simple fact is, without history, and without written accounts to document greatness, great accomplishments ultimately mean nothing ... and get erased forever as soon as they are over.

Ozzy's Homer isn't a legend because of what he did ... he is only a legend because someone documented what he did and thereby preserved his great effort forever.

Jack

[lightningstrikes]

A close friend of mine says he was the striped man for the last show of gr ch blade icewood and I belive he did three in the last year I'm going to get a more detailed account from him asap I just called but no answer

Lightningstrikes

[stopem]

Lil Mighty; She traveled to three states and one of them twice. She is my dog and don't like jerking my own chain but most of her shows were small. She beat Alabama red who had a 2xw for her 1st, then home to a 2xw and it wasn't a contest, in less than a year she went to tx and made one pick up in short order, and finally she went back to Alabama to see rockbottom whom didn't like her on her 1st, pushed 2lbs with his 2xw and finished him in under a hour. So she made 4xw and never seen a hour, plus winning 3 in under a year. I retired her to the brood pen due to the broke ankle that she suffered. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=31593. If she doesn't get it no problem, she has a stable mate that will for 2016. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=30447

[gotap_d]

Lil Mighty; She traveled to three states and one of them twice. She is my dog and don't like jerking my own chain but most of her shows were small. She beat Alabama red who had a 2xw for her 1st, then home to a 2xw and it wasn't a contest, in less than a year she went to tx and made one pick up in short order, and finally she went back to Alabama to see rockbottom whom didn't like her on her 1st, pushed 2lbs with his 2xw and finished him in under a hour. So she made 4xw and never seen a hour, plus winning 3 in under a year. I retired her to the brood pen due to the broke ankle that she suffered. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=31593. If she doesn't get it no problem, she has a stable mate that will for 2016. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=30447

If the voting was today for 2016 D.O.Y. Kung Fu would get my vote. Good job with him on his last outting.

[stopem]

Thank you gotap. That was his 1st though. We're going to search and find the champs so then we wont be denied.

[gotap_d]

Definately. I know that was your plan from the get go.

[stopem]

And globalkennels is PUMA still you choice? And if so is it your choice cause he was signing like Ray Charles recently. His own camp saying he soso at best.

[CrazyRed]

And globalkennels is PUMA still you choice? And if so is it your choice cause he was signing like Ray Charles recently. His own camp saying he soso at best. an awful showing for him and the other hound. Sometimes it don't pay to try grab lesser comp, sometimes your hound plays to the level of what's in front of him..

[SwampDweller]

Lil Mighty; She traveled to three states and one of them twice. She is my dog and don't like jerking my own chain but most of her shows were small. She beat Alabama red who had a 2xw for her 1st, then home to a 2xw and it wasn't a contest, in less than a year she went to tx and made one pick up in short order, and finally she went back to Alabama to see rockbottom whom didn't like her on her 1st, pushed 2lbs with his 2xw and finished him in under a hour. So she made 4xw and never seen a hour, plus winning 3 in under a year. I retired her to the brood pen due to the broke ankle that she suffered. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=31593. If she doesn't get it no problem, she has a stable mate that will for 2016. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=30447

Congrats with all your success with LIL MIGHTY... sounds to be a real nice one. I definitely love the way she is bred. Old Man Burns and I were pretty friendly, and I loved the HUMMDINGER dog of his. Anyhow, Congrats.

[stopem]

Thanks swamp.

[HAMMER49]

Let's get a little water cooler talk going gents. I've put the list together of every hound that was mentioned for the DOY. Anyone have any new entries, or comments they would like to add to the mix? I have added Ch Queen to the discussion with the females.
MALES:
Gr Ch Titere, Gr CH Grip, Gr CH Gizzy, Gr CH Goon, Gr Ch Blade Icewood, Ch Nereyda, Ch Puma, Ch Chocolatebuck, Ch Jocker, and Russian Bobby.

FEMALES:
Ch Lil Mighty, Ch Queen
Queen is a 4x that has beaten at least 2 champions this year. I'll have to check to be 100% sure, but it may be 3 ch she defeated in a years time. Her pedigree isn't on this site, but I'll try to get it for everyone to see.

[S_B]

Who is the 2xw (f) that just beat a GR CH in 1:40?

I heard her first was in :06 and 2nd in :30, all three DOA?

[stopem]

Just my opinion and mine alone. I believe it would be a good one between lil mighty and queen. I cant afford the checks that the camp writes and being that we are both 4xw it would make for a big one. As for as puna I think he needs a better showing. Chocolate buck is just an average one at best ( got lucky). Goon Goon did come out of retirement and beat a ch at an old age so right now I would probably lean toward him because of his age, and getting it done. Gr ch titere in my opinion has made his statement at being one of the all time greats so I think he should be taking out of consideration for doy instead maybe dog of the decade or recent years. I don't know anyone else on the list. Just my thoughts

[ragedog10]

Add Ch.Lite Skin 4xw to the list. As much as I love Titere he's a old man now and definitely dog of decade but its time for the DOY torch to passed.

[gotap_d]

Add Ch.Lite Skin 4xw to the list. As much as I love Titere he's a old man now and definitely dog of decade but its time for the DOY torch to passed.

Who is ch lite skin?

[SwampDweller]

Who is ch lite skin?

He's a really good one... Worth being considered for D.O.Y.; without a doubt. Just won his 4th over F.M.K.

[gotap_d]

Thanks swamp.

[ragedog10]

Yes Lite Skin really good one , I'll add his ped when I have time

[unknow kennel]

Gr Ch Queen just fuck ch pretty up she was pick up in 40min GR CH QUEEN SHOULD BE DOG OF THIS YEAR BEAT A CH IN STOP 2 from make ch

[HAMMER49]

Ok. Lets do a little eliminating then.
We'll respectfully remove Gr Ch Titere, and Gr Ch Grip from the selections. Now with the remaining options should more be removed? We have one persons opinions. Any others? I to hear Liteskin is a good one. Is this his first and only for the year?
Anyone else?

[HAMMER49]

She did just force a pick up on Ch Pretty, but that was 4.

[YELLOWJOHN]

Gr Ch Queen just fuck ch pretty up she was pick up in 40min GR CH QUEEN SHOULD BE DOG OF THIS YEAR BEAT A CH IN STOP 2 from make ch

Please stop with the lies...Ch. Queen just made 4XW and Ch. Pretty was picked up at the hour mark without a scratch on her!!! SMDH

[S_B]

CH Pretty sounds like a candidate for PBB GDOY possibly? Hate that it didn't go her way. Congrats to GR CH QUEEN on the win over what sounds like a solid bulldog!

CH Chocolate Buck would be a good candidate for PPB DOY, the verdict is still out on him for now though.

S_B

[unknow kennel]

Ch pretty pick up without a stretch on her well why in the fu. She was pick up hey bro said shit that make since

[stopem]

My vote with queen. She has beat two ch and two 2xw ranging from 35.8 to 39.

[YELLOWJOHN]

Ch pretty pick up without a stretch on her well why in the fu. She was pick up hey bro said shit that make since

WTF?!? Dude we are in America!!! Ok I get it ...you are intentionally trying to sound illiterate to justify your lies huh ?!? I know Big R myself and I know damn well he wouldn't associate himself with a loudmouth attention seeking sideline cheerleader....!!!

[unknow kennel]

yellowjohn u funny due.lmao call me what u want lmao.

[Easy]

That was KingsnQueens' Shotgun Shorty 2xw that defeated Money Maker Kennel's Ch Candy 4xw to earn her Ch.

[MISTER]

LIKE ALL THE CANDIDATES BUT FOR MALES I LIKE GRCH GOON FEMALES ARE TRICKY FOR ME AS THERE'S BEEN A FEW GOOD ONES THIS YEAR...

[lightningstrikes]

Just curious if there's a updated list Of canidates from the info I have seen and heard if I was to vote today it would be gr ch goon best wishes to all houndsmen

Lightningstrikes

[Officially Retired]

Coming Soon ...

[ragedog10]

Add Ch. Nemessi once I figure how post pictures I will lol.

[Officially Retired]

Add Ch. Nemessi once I figure how post pictures I will lol.

You can send them to me and put up a bio :)

[lightningstrikes]

Also southern Braveheart international ch hitman 2 won in 3 different countries and to make ch stopped a ch all 3 by the way of d.o.a
Deserves a shot to be in the runnings

Lightningstrikes

[lightningstrikes]

Lil Toney’s Grand Champion Blade Icewood
1st Contest, Blade Icewood was contracted into a Man that had ties to Roadblock Kennels(a season vet from Saginaw Michigan) and the weight was 37lbs. This contest went 23 mins as Icewood was a bigger-rougher hound that pressed him in his chest and rear end.
2nd Contest, was into the Midwest finest, City Streets Kennel. The weight was agreed at 37 lbs. They used a first time out son of Champion Black Beast. This contest was must like the first one with Icewood being too much for his opponent in the chest and rear end. The contest was over when they stood the line in 27 mins.
3rd Contest, was into a son off of Dirty Glove-Game Blood Kennels Champion BJ, The baddest 42. This prove to be a classic match. Both dogs swapping it out in the rear end. Both dogs displaying mouth, ability and gameness. It went back and forth for a while until Blade Icewood got deep into the rear and was not coming out. This contest went 1hour 40minutes with Icewood finishing him on the floor and earning his Champion Title.
4th Contest, Blade Icewood coming off a year and a half layover because of his last contest. He was looking for a Champion for his next contest and one was located. This match was set at 38 lbs in the Carolina into Champion Gotti. This was supposed to be his toughest contest, but Blade Icewood took care of business. In 30 mins Icewood is clearly ahead, working his rear end hold. Icewood didn’t have any intentions of coming out and he didn’t until Champion Gotti was no longer here.
Before I get to his fifth match, I’ll inform you that it was a massive search party for Champions and Grand Champions. Grand Champion Coon was sold to some boys in the south and they was contacted, but didn’t want any part in Blade Icewood. They stated he was retired, but did go on to win another one. Also Grand Champion Grip crew was contacted as well, and they stated he was really retired. So it was no takers for a while until a reparable kennel from Ohio wanted a shot into the champ.
Weight set at 38 lbs and the day before the contest, Blade Icewood got out his containment and ate his himself full of kibble. Terms was discuss and they both decided to get it on. Blade was a pound over his contracted weight with a lot of dog food in his stomach. The other kennel taught that was a disadvantage and it turn out to me a big mistake! Blade took over from the very beginning. Displaying mouth, ability and intelligence! He out class this opponent in every way. This contest went 3 hours and 23 mins becasue Blade Icewood would not let go of him and the contest ended up being called by the ref because his opponent had expired. This made Blade Ice Wood an official Grand Champion!!
Lil Toney’s Blade Icewood also won a contest off the chain before his career official started. That contest went 17 minutes.
Lil Toney’s Grand Champion Blade Icewood is off a breeding with a game 1XW Vana that comes from the West Penn Razor stuff. His sire is Scooter’s 2XW Buc from an Olde School Eli, Virgil and Buck cross. He is still on the hunt, coming to a box near you!

This was sent to me by michigan muscle kennels the ref of his last jog Hunt

[HAMMER49]

December is coming to an end.
How are we looking here?

[CrazyRed]

From what I've gathered she won all 4 this year including beating 2 top notch Chs (Lil Mama & Pretty).. So defeating a 1x BIS, 2x and 2 Chs I say she done pretty darn good..

[gotap_d]

Queen is very deserving of the title.

[Officially Retired]

From what I've gathered she won all 4 this year including beating 2 top notch Chs (Lil Mama & Pretty).. So defeating a 1x BIS, 2x and 2 Chs I say she done pretty darn good..

Why did you delete what you had previously written?

[lightningstrikes]

Why did you delete what you had previously written?

hey jack what's our list to choose from and place our vote we have just a couple days left just curious thanks

[Officially Retired]

hey jack what's are list to choose from and place our vote we have just a couple days left just curious thanks

The year is not over, so it is premature to vote.

After the year is over, we will cast a vote :D

[CrazyRed]

Why did you delete what you had previously written?

I didn't delete it Jack. I created a completely different thread announcing her as SBM's Choice for DOY. I came back on and it was no longer there and my comments from that post were on here but not all of my comment, referencing the Ch she is possibly seeking to earn her GrCh title.

[apeman]

CH Queen
GrCh Nereyda
GrCh Goon
GrCh Light Skin
Ch Nemesis
Gr Ch Outlaw
Ch Puma
GrCh Annie Sparks
Rocky 2xw

[MISTER]

CH Queen
GrCh Nereyda
GrCh Goon
GrCh Light Skin
Ch Nemesis
Gr Ch Outlaw
Ch Puma
GrCh Annie Sparks
Rocky 2xw

Grch Goon

[gotap_d]

Mister is that the nomination list?

[apeman]

Mister is that the nomination list?

Just a list of worthy candidates

[MISTER]

Lightskin is only a 4XW also he's not a GRCH yet..

[apeman]

Grch Goon

I think I'd vote for GrCH Outlaw based on style and finishing ability.

[apeman]

Lightskin is only a 4XW also he's not a GRCH yet..

He is GRCH Light Skin

[Officially Retired]

Anyone can create their own poll if they want to.

[MISTER]

He is GRCH Light Skin

Since when? Last I recall he was a 4xw according to his last show... If he won another after that recent encounter
I'd be hard pressed to believe it...

[ragedog10]

Yes Light Skin is now a Gr.Ch

[GLOBALKENNELS]

Gpbk nino brown

[HAMMER49]

Gpbk nino brown
So now after 1 win he deserves to be DOY??

[MISTER]

Yes Light Skin is now a Gr.Ch

I stand corrected you guys were right on... My apologies to apeman as well. Good work to lightskin's camp..

[apeman]

I stand corrected you guys were right on... My apologies to apeman as well. Good work to lightskin's camp..

No apologies necessary sir.

[gotap_d]

So now after 1 win he deserves to be DOY??

Lmao.

[GLOBALKENNELS]

Lmao haters are gonna hate

[MISTER]

Lmao haters are gonna hate

Seriously bro how is their comments interpreted as hate? You have dogs that have won multiple shows over titled animals, traveled to different states or countries to attain their titles and you actually believe your hound is more deserving simply because he won 1 show? There's plenty of hounds that have one simply one show but that don't mean they're close to even being mentioned... You have to put your hound out there in 2016 seek the best available and let him make a name for himself..

I'm not tryna slight you or put you down you're proud of nino as you should be but he's got a long hard road ahead of him to even be considered... There's chs that don't even get mentioned buddy... Anyways good luck in 2016 and keep him on the trail if he gets doy I'll be the first to congratulate you

[gotap_d]

Lmao haters are gonna hate

Global what's Nino Brown's show weight?

[Milehighmisfit]

Was a DOY or GDOY ever decided?

[lansford101]

^^^^^BUMB!

[Milehighmisfit]

No D.O.Y?

[lansford101]

I'd have to say grip

[apeman]

To the top

[apeman]

CH Queen
GrCh Nereyda
GrCh Goon
GrCh Light Skin
Ch Nemesis
Gr Ch Outlaw
Ch Puma
GrCh Annie Sparks
Rocky 2xw

[CrazyRed]

between GrCh Queen & GrCh Goon for 2015 I believe