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Officially Retired
03-22-2016, 06:50 AM
Anyone ever looked at the photo of Pitstop's Red ROM and think, "What a dumbass?", about the owner?
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/pics/dogs/11463/dog_011463_002977.jpg (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=11463)
Does this dog really need a swivel and lock on him THAT BIG?
Has the owner ever considered what it might be like, to lug something like that around your neck, all-day, every-day?
Does this look comfortable to you? To anyone?
There is simply no excuse to make a dog wear a contraption like this.
(Not to mention the fact this dumbass owner apparently also didn't consider the reality that all anyone has to do is remove the collar, or pull-up the axle, to steal the dog :rolleyes:)
What a flippin' idiot, pretty much across the board.
Jack
ChinCheckKennels
03-22-2016, 07:20 AM
The owner must have been mentor to about 70% of the folks who post pics. Now I will say the pics I've seen here are better. But it amazes me how willingly folks post deplorable pics of hounds. You could spend all day finding those types of pics and not even scratch the surface.
Officially Retired
03-22-2016, 07:33 AM
Very true.
I guess it makes your dog "a badass" to have 15 lb of hardware affixed to its neck :rolleyes:
One of the many stupidities I tried to dispel in my book ... favoring light, ultra-high-grade chain configurations ... that were actually TWICE as strong as bullshit like that, and yet 1/10th the weight.
Jack
ChinCheckKennels
03-22-2016, 10:06 AM
Exactly. There are heavy duty chains that are very light in weight considering the work load they carry. They are perfect for chain set ups and easy to maintain. Your book has helped every person who has read it and practiced it. I don't care if you are green or seasoned. There are always teachable and learning moments.with this. And if you aren't trying to get better and be better then stay in your lane. I know its not and CA J I know your stance on this, but if this is truely a fraternity then no one should take offense to being corrected or constructive or non constructive cristism of things like this. You should strive to be in the position to bring the best possible hound out. If I see a shitty looking dog or set up I'm saying something. These athletes should be honored not hindered. So take shit with a grain of salt and get better to be better. Correct the stupid shit and learn and move on to the next. Some of the conditions I see these hounds in amaze me. I've visited many yards only once because of this type of behavior. Sometimes folks don't wanna hear or just do not care enough. And those are the folks I cull.
Officially Retired
03-22-2016, 11:28 AM
:appl:
FrostyPaws
03-22-2016, 02:07 PM
At one time, I had a dog theft problem. I attached locks through the collars themselves to where they couldn't be pulled out. It worked until they stole this one particular dog and had to pull up the axle, like Jack said. I moved my dogs not long afterwards. I've always used grade 70 chain for the most part, but I've looked into grade 80 and other higher grade chains to utilize. I just never did. Most people simply won't to spend cheap without realizing that spending a little extra saves you money in the long run. I never had a chain break from wear and tear when using 70. I used stainless steel swivels made by men and marine stainless. Marine stainless swivels last longer, are generally smaller, and costs less than what I would buy from someone making them. They're simply made out of a better grade of stainless.
Tastyrib
03-22-2016, 04:16 PM
Not surprisingly, his entire chain setup is messed up. Do not put the axle up against the dog house....you are just asking for the dog to get tangled up. And pound the axle down into the ground.
I'm a 'benefit of the doubter'. Maybe he does not spend a lot of time on the chain. There is a lot of grass there so there is nothing on that chain spot for any length of time.
Maybe it is a crappy setup, but maybe it is an 'empty out' spot and then back in the house.
I will reserve the condemnation for a more informative picture.
EWO
I'm a 'benefit of the doubter'. Maybe he does not spend a lot of time on the chain. There is a lot of grass there so there is nothing on that chain spot for any length of time.
Maybe it is a crappy setup, but maybe it is an 'empty out' spot and then back in the house.
I will reserve the condemnation for a more informative picture.
EWO
I almost commented then thought the same things as you. Especially because of the freshly even cut grass and no sign of a circle.
That lock being hit several times by that beast slamming his chain would likely pop it open anyway
S_B
Officially Retired
03-23-2016, 06:18 AM
I disagree.
Why have a padlock for a dog that is only put there 'temporarily' to empty?
The whole purpose of the lock is to "secure" the dog while the owner is not there.
(The idiot just didn't think about the collar or removing the axle.)
And, have either of you considered that this idiot took the photo of his dog on his NEW "ultra-secure" chainspace?
More than likely, this retard was proud of his "great idea," and new "secure chain setup," and so he took a photo of his dog + huge padlock to "show off" ... as the type to put extra-huge chains/swivels/locks wants everyone to see them.
Unfortunately, the only thing he documented with the photo was his own lack of knowledge (regarding chains), and his own lack of intelligence in not being smart enough to realize that "heavy lock" won't prevent someone from either removing the collar or removing the axle.
Jack
Jack that is just speculation on your part. I wouldn't contain a dog in this manner but AT LEAST he's healthy and clean in appearance.
ChinCheckKennels
03-23-2016, 07:05 AM
Maybe this particular picture could be viewed that way. As an empty out spot or what have you. But its speaks volumes to the larger picture. Which is most hounds are kept on worse set ups and in worse conditions. Even if this is a temporary spot its still a good teachable spot and someone could learn a lot. Seems like an aweful lot of effort for a temporary spot though. Just not a fan of the set up.
Officially Retired
03-23-2016, 07:10 AM
Jack that is just speculation on your part. I wouldn't contain a dog in this manner but AT LEAST he's healthy and clean in appearance.
Um, you're the one speculating it is a "temporary" chain setup, are you not?
What makes your version "knowledge" and mine "speculation?"
I think, when considering the 2 versions, it makes much more sense that a proud owner would take a photo of a dog on a brand new chain spot ... than it does to ponder "why" anyone would put a huge padlock and swivel on a "temporary" chain spot.
Care to explain why the huge lock, and massive swivel, if it's only an "quick empty" setup :confused:
Officially Retired
03-23-2016, 07:18 AM
Hell, for that matter, a padlock is stupid, period.
It prevents nothing.
A swivel that big is stupid, period.
It bangs against the dog's legs, and is "overkill" whether the spot is temporary or not.
As Tastyrib noted, the chain being up against the house isn't too bright either.
As the title suggests, it is simply a ridiculous chain setup.
If you want to call it a "temporary" one, be my guest, but it still doesn't change the point.
Jack
PS: If anything, temporary "empty" chains are usually light in nature and may not even have a house. The whole point of a temp setup is speed and quick access because you don't feel like walking the dog. So you just go outside, put him on a chain, to empty, and then come back out in 5 min to bring him back inside. If anything, snaps are used on temp setups, for ease, not massive, hard-to-deal with, swivels. Why the hell would anyone need a massive padlock and chain for a quick "temporary empty-spot"?? That is almost as dumb a thought, IMO, as the idea that padlocks stop thieves :lol:
Jack,
Show me where I said that spot was temporary.... :-?
The knowledge in my comment was the dog appeared in good health and in a clean spot. I'm not a fan of this spot but I wouldn't go so far as to SPECULATE why the owner chained him this way. I mean for fucks sake at least there isn't trash everywhere and the dog isn't an unhealthy rack of bones like many pictures showcased on pedigrees here and elsewhere.
I agree with you in many ways but I'd put more passion in a truly deplorable photo over this one. This owner is just not to bright for utilizing this set up to me nothing more.
S_B
BulldogConnection
03-23-2016, 02:28 PM
This is seriously the most active topic on here? Dog looks fat and happy who cares.
Like I said, it is not enough information to make a call.
A comparison....this was my first day off after a series of nights. Tons of things to do. This morning I told my son to clean the bowls and I will follow behind with the water. If a video was taking of me providing fresh/clean water to my dogs some would see it another way. I had somewhere else to be so I didn't dress for working the yard. I skirted each spot and filled the bowls. I didn't interact with the dogs other than speaking to them. For some, it would be another bulldog hung out on a chain with no socialization, no interaction, just chained out til his turn.
Come back two hours later and one dog is on the mill, my son has two young dogs in the day pen ( just over an acre of part back yard/part wooded area). Each dog gets a chance to run and play.
But a single shot or even a video of me just watering could be 'speculated' in many different ways.
In the Visegrip video on youtube (around the 8:25 mark) Poncho has a crate in his chain spot. Although it is verbally explained that it is a day spot/or emptying spot or what ever temporary term is used, to some maybe if Poncho could still throw pups maybe he warrants a better set of living conditions? Maybe the owner could not afford one more barrel no matter how badly he wished to do so? Maybe the owner is just a fucking idiot?
Everything is not as it seems. I choose to give the benefit of the doubt when I do not know all the details, or even enough details to make a call.
As far as the lock being a secure way to prevent theft, it is not. The collar could be unbuckled. The axle could be pulled up, so let's bury it all the way in the ground, with some welded tabs and some concrete. Then there is always bolt cutters, heck, even a cutting torch. We could even point a 9MM and make the owner load the dog himself.
Maybe the lock was a visual deterrent more so than a physical one.
Maybe we should call the owner and say WTF? or it would be a stretch, but maybe just ask him nicely to explain.
EWO
This is seriously the most active topic on here? Dog looks fat and happy who cares.
:lol:
bigpopdog
03-26-2016, 01:31 PM
PIT STOP (R) TOOK DAMN CARE OF HIS DOGS, I HAVE ACTUAL PICS (THAT WERE SENT TO ME WHILE ON VACATION BACK IN THE DAYS) OF A COUPLE OF HIS DOGS, CH. MECHANIC (SHIT I GOT ABOUT 5 OR 6 PICS OF HIM) BEING ONE, AND ONE OF A BREEDING HE WAS DOING WITH PIK, NO NAME WAS ON IT, IT JUST SAID ON THE BACK HEAVY REDBOY BREEDING (FUCK AROUND IT COULD'VE BEEN HIM) :lol:.. BUT ANYWAY, AS FAR AS THAT BIG LOCK THING, TO EACH HIS OWN.
No Quarter Kennel
04-04-2016, 06:03 AM
Anyone ever looked at the photo of Pitstop's Red ROM and think, "What a dumbass?", about the owner?
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/pics/dogs/11463/dog_011463_002977.jpg (http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum/bulldog_dogs_profile.php?dog_id=11463)
Does this dog really need a swivel and lock on him THAT BIG?
Has the owner ever considered what it might be like, to lug something like that around your neck, all-day, every-day?
Does this look comfortable to you? To anyone?
There is simply no excuse to make a dog wear a contraption like this.
(Not to mention the fact this dumbass owner apparently also didn't consider the reality that all anyone has to do is remove the collar, or pull-up the axle, to steal the dog :rolleyes:)
What a flippin' idiot, pretty much across the board.
Jack
I hate set ups like this. I too think it's extreme overkill. If anyone here has worn a tool belt, they know how annoying something like a hammer handle bumping your leg all day can be. Can you imagine something like a swivel that is about 5% of your own body weight and half the size of your own head, hanging from and hitting against your chest all day long?
No Quarter Kennel
04-04-2016, 06:07 AM
At one time, I had a dog theft problem. I attached locks through the collars themselves to where they couldn't be pulled out. It worked until they stole this one particular dog and had to pull up the axle, like Jack said. I moved my dogs not long afterwards. I've always used grade 70 chain for the most part, but I've looked into grade 80 and other higher grade chains to utilize. I just never did. Most people simply won't to spend cheap without realizing that spending a little extra saves you money in the long run. I never had a chain break from wear and tear when using 70. I used stainless steel swivels made by men and marine stainless. Marine stainless swivels last longer, are generally smaller, and costs less than what I would buy from someone making them. They're simply made out of a better grade of stainless.
Dog thieves in Texas simply bring a real sharp knife. Cut the collar, leave it laying and they are gone.
BLADE
04-04-2016, 06:26 AM
My personal belief is that if you don't want your dogs disappearing then keep your yard closed and very private! Out of sight out of mind is the best way. I would guess that the majority of these folks coming up with these huge ass setups are not only ignorant but simply misguided street goons that like to brag and show off there dogs to any other goon who will look and listen. It doesn't make a person or the dog look tough to keep a dog on these types of setups, more so it exposes a lot of ignorance. Just my 2 cents.
FrostyPaws
04-05-2016, 05:46 PM
My setup was out of sight, out of mind. It always has been, but sometimes shitty things happen to good people.
No Quarter, I don't doubt that at all. There are all kinds of ways to steal a dog.
BLADE
04-05-2016, 07:17 PM
My setup was out of sight, out of mind. It always has been, but sometimes shitty things happen to good people.
No Quarter, I don't doubt that at all. There are all kinds of ways to steal a dog.
Frosty, I'm not taking personal shots at you with my comments, I'm speaking in general. I agree that bad luck falls on good guys at times. But I'm still convinced that the majority of people that bad luck falls on are bringing it on themselves. My apologies if I wasn't clear in my message.
FrostyPaws
04-08-2016, 03:49 PM
Blade, I didn't take it as personal. I was just stating that sometimes, even when you try and take all things into account, shitty things still happen. That was all. No harm no foul :)
Agree with both. My Grandma use to tell us that "Locks keep honest people honest".
If someone wants to steal something bad enough it pretty much gets stolen. It is the world in which we live.
Knocking on wood, I have never had a dog stolen. (just jinxed myself I am sure, LOL) The dogs that are the safest are the who will bite or at least act like they will bite. All my dogs think all people are their best friend. Hell, they would pack up and go with anyone.
Just saying.
EWO
prairiedog
05-01-2016, 12:15 AM
LOL Great thread!!!
stopem
05-09-2016, 01:40 PM
It was a bad setup, period. BUT who in the dog game haven't made some wrong choices. We live and learn. That setup may have been his first setup. But one thing for sure, its his dog and he did what he wanted to with it. If he bought, bred him its his hound to do what he wanted to with it. I don't know him and am not a fan o the blood but if he tied him o a clothes hanger and got away with it then that's his choice. BOTTOM LINE.
GEAUX TIGERS
06-08-2016, 08:28 PM
From time to time I see videos and yards with dumb asses doing stuff just like this. The best is the dog crate/carrier used as a dog house with the gate removed. This is probably a far worse offense bc it harms the dog.
The whole purpose of the crate is to temporarily house the dog. It is not designed as a weatherproof home.
Similar to this example, the only thing they document is their own lack of knowledge and their own lack of intelligence in not being smart enough to realize that the crate will not prevent the elements (rain, cold, etc) from harming the dog.
Agree. I have seen a lot of crates being used as homes. Some bulldog videos, but mostly just riding up and down the road. Once a dog is penned or chained the obligation to provide adequate housing/set up is paramount. Mostly because it is the only choice for the dog.
The flip side is we have a 12 year old Beagle that runs loose on the yard. My wife bought him a really nice, double walled, insulated Igloo style dog house. The hay is changed out regularly. It sits in the shade of an oak tree. It has a pretty good view of the going ons of the our house/drive way. He may have slept in it five times in as many years. Under the car, a scratched out spot in the flower bed, nestled in the pine straw in the woods. Anywhere but in the expensive ass house.
But he has options. Bulldogs do not. So that makes kenneling/housing/chain set ups a big factor in owning dogs.
If the original post showed a dog on a long term spot I could see the uproar. But that is a fresh green grass covere spot. It is no permanent spot at the point of the picture. It looked more like a tie out to take a picture than anything.
But at the end of the day, " His monkey, His circus".
EWO