Let's see them Vise-Grip dogs

[Icedogger]

BoneYard Bulldog's Mugsy Malone
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/328046.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=328046)
http://www.boneyardbulldogs.synthasite.com

[Officially Retired]

I'd like to see a recent picture of Mugsy :)

Jack

PS: After I contribute a few more articles, posts, etc. to the overall site ... I will take photos of my Beowulf male and my Amazon bitch ... as well as my double-Ouch male Silver Phoenix :D

[Icedogger]

For sure I'll post some of him and of Tuscany they are both doing very well.

[FACE203]

Lookin gud!!!

[Icedogger]

BONEYARD'S TUSCANY(VISE-GRIP)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/318192.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=318192)

[AL Clown]

My Vise-Grip infused dogs:

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/362590.jpg

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/262852.jpg

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/374162.jpg

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/350171.jpg

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/407888.jpg

[Officially Retired]

Damn, Ice, Tuscany is a moose! LOL, is she preggo in that photo?

Jack

PS: Al Clown, I can see my stuff in the first dog, but the other dogs show the other elements in their peds more I think. How is the push-faced one bred, the one against the fence? Looks like it could be a Diamond Girl-bred dog ... or is that coming from a different line?

[AL Clown]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=306169 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=306169)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=262852 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=262852)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=374162 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=374162)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=350171 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=350171)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=407888 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=407888)

Believe it or not the last 3 are all litermates..there was actually a female twin to the male that someone tried to steal but must have gotten spooked and drop her on the ground and she died right outside the whelping box.

The last female also has a twin, they were given to a friend with the agreement that he give them back if he could no longer care for them. He decides to sell them to get some money for drugs. I was able to buy the female back but the guy that bought the male I haven't been able to contact. However, I do no he is being well cared for by the guy grandmother.

The brindle red nose was the only one in the litter that didn't have an identical twin although there was another red & white red nose that died a few days after birth. She actually shows the traits of her grand dam (Razor/Legend) blood..so you are absolutely correct on your guess Jack. Proving once again you are a man that knows your line of dogs.

P.S. don't you think the male pup look a little like Pheonix?

[Runner]

Very nice keep on posting

[Officially Retired]

Thanks for posting AL.

Your posted pedigrees actually show the very phenomenon with "crosses" that makes them difficult to manage, genetically, and that is which "side" of the pedigree does each individual dog actually pull from?

For example, the dog I pegged as having Diamond Girl blood in it (Saya, Dog #4) actually had less Diamond Girl blood in her than the Sydney (Dog #2), which is her mother. It is harder for me to spot the Diamond Girl blood in Sydney than it was for me to see it in her daughter Saya. Not only does a breeder have issues of head shape, body style, and color to deal with ... but of course there is also the issues of ability, mouth, air, performance style to deal with too. This doesn't mean that different dogs, of different shapes/colors etc., can't all be good dogs ... it just makes it tougher to manage "what you're going to get" if you're trying to streamline things a bit. For example, the Hiruku dog (Dog #3) I would have never pegged as either a Poncho dog or a Diamond Girl dog, and yet I could clearly see this in Saya, and yet they're both littermates :)

I am sure as you progress forward, certain individuals are going to distinguish themselves in the more important physical attributes, at which point you will be streamlining your or own efforts in that direction. On my yard, for example, Diamond Girl blood has always = short-winded, but game as hell. I bred Silverback to Dirty Diamond, to try to keep things @ 50% Ch Hammer, but to add the devastating qualities of Silverback rather than the average-but-game Diamond Girl qualities ... and I got the "average-but-game" Dirty Hammer :cry:

Yet, when I added another helping of Silverback, inbreeding Dirty Hammer back to him, these pups have all come out blistering and intense and have utterly demolished what they have been put with. I was able to push back the low ability of the Diamond Girl blood, but yet that consistent gameness has stayed, as it seems to me that Diamond Girl blood is at its best when left at 1/4 or less in a pedigree (although her son Ch Buster 4xW (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=145185)) might disagree ... yet, in his case, he did not inherit that short-winded push-face.

I have another Diamond Girl bitch, also 1/4, named Little D (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=272907), in whom you can also see a little bit of that push-faced look ... but I added a heavy dose of Screamer blood to her, which (as you know) has exceptional stamina, with a kicker of the Big John blood, and Little D is a ferociously-game and intense bitch ... who has unbelievable stamina ... and if she hadn't have knocked-out all her teeth forever trying to pull roots and dig down to China, she would scare the ghost out of most bitches her weight, with the unrelenting drive and pressure she puts out :mrgreen:

Jack


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[Icedogger]

Ya Tuscany was pregnant in that picture I'm going to take some new ones and post them.

[REDRUM]

Vise-Grip's Silver Pearl

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/373911.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=373911)

[Officially Retired]

Now, that's a little Hammer dog!


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[REDRUM]

Vise-Grip's Icestorm

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/319526.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=319526)

[Icedogger]

Redrum I no you got more dogs than that n did you get a hold of GMZ dogs look good hope all is well

[REDRUM]

Redrum I no you got more dogs than that n did you get a hold of GMZ dogs look good hope all is well


Lol. Yea I've got a few more dogs. I guess it's about time to dust off my camera and take a few updated photos. :lol:

It's been around a year since the last time I've spoken to GMZ.

[REDRUM]

Vise-Grip's Lady Pup

Here is a pic of Mugsy's sister.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/355155.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=355155)

[SGC]

Some great looking hounds on this thread!

I'm looking forward to seeing updated photos, so hope you all will break out the cameras!

[Icedogger]

I new you had that old bitch sure wise I would have got her I hear tell you got a litter off her they all look good

[Fatcat]

Just curiousn what is the vise grip hounds known for bringing to the table night in and night out???

[FACE203]

Beauty, smarts and heart... That's a general rule... Jack would know best 8-)

[Icedogger]

I can only speak for mine there a smart, fast, very powerful for small dogs, they adapt fast to any style, heart ,and style but most of all they are non human aggressive in any situation. These are very well rounded dogs.

[Fatcat]

Cool...have not seen to many down in my neck of the woods. But i see from what Jack posts that they have good winning percentages, so just was inquring about the blood thanks

[Fatcat]

Hey Jack was wondering if you can give me some info about Vise Grips red angel, i have a pinch of your bloodline coming through my main gyp on my yard. You bred Poncho x Red Angel which in turn produced Veras cinnamon, ped id 378946. I think the world of my lil gyp just looking for some feedback being that i might be considering crossing some of your blood back into her

[Kilo]

Heres a young Male that I just bred up this year. Pictures do him no justice he's something else and wicked as hell. I hope he makes the stud list.


KILO'S KING KONG (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=258273)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/258273.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=258273)

[FACE203]

Looking good, kilo!!!

[Kilo]

Looking good, kilo!!!



Thanks Bro....

[FACE203]

It's good to see you still with it... I was told a lot of guys from back in the earlier 2g's, was out of the dogs... Really wish I still had russian storm rip :(

[Officially Retired]

Just curiousn what is the vise grip hounds known for bringing to the table night in and night out???

Extreme gameness is the mantra of virtually all of them ... and the best ones have the intelligence to quickly adapt and figure out what they need to do to beat you ... and they have the athleticism to make it happen.

Therefore, anyone who is not breeding these dogs to be extremely game, quick, intelligent, and athletic is NOT breeding their dogs "true to standard" ... while those who are trying to perpetuate these traits are breeding them "true to form" 8-)

Jack


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[HOMEWORK215]

sure your right i also recieved the message about the dvds and the books thank you!

[REDRUM]

Here is a handsome solid little inbred Icestorm dog owned by a buddy of mine. Just thought I'd share.

ENGLISH'S REDSTORM (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361397)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/361397.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361397)

[Ipk]

Heres a young Male that I just bred up this year. Pictures do him no justice he's something else and wicked as hell. I hope he makes the stud list.


KILO'S KING KONG (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=258273)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/258273.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=258273)


Lookin good bro!!!

[MISTER]

SOUTHSIDE BOYZ OCHO CINCO (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=346723)[attachment=0:3cojjl23]PC240699.JPG[/attachment:3cojjl23]SOUTHSIDE BOYZ BUCK WILD (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=309778)[attachment=1:3cojjl23]IMAG0422.jpg[/attachment:3cojjl23]MORPHIOUS X PONCHA (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=392304)[attachment=2:3cojjl23]2011-08-20_17-42-56_394.jpg[/attachment:3cojjl23]

[MISTER]

Also have her. Getting a pic is next to impossible. I don't give a damn if the dad lost his 6th. Still gotta work out to be worth a spot.

SOUTHSIDE BOYZ SOOKIE (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=387297)

[MISTER]

Nice dogs mister.

thank you sir.

[Kilo]

Also have her. Getting a pic is next to impossible. I don't give a damn if the dad lost his 6th. Still gotta work out to be worth a spot.

SOUTHSIDE BOYZ SOOKIE (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=387297)


Damn Bro Ocho has really grown up since the last picture I seen of him, looks hell a strong. I really like that Magnum x Poncha breeding some dude contacted me on one of those and he is more than pleased with his. You got some nice breedings going on over there Homie....All the best

[Kilo]

It's good to see you still with it... I was told a lot of guys from back in the earlier 2g's, was out of the dogs... Really wish I still had russian storm rip :(



Thanks man, yea shit just fell apart this way to many feelings in the way instead of just plain good old Bulldoggin, friendships went south, people got locked up, passed away, etc etc. best of luck....

[Kilo]

Here is a handsome solid little inbred Icestorm dog owned by a buddy of mine. Just thought I'd share.

ENGLISH'S REDSTORM (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361397)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/361397.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361397)



"VERY NICE"

[CULLENDOGS]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/234281.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=234281) 10 YRS OLD ROCKO

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/413347.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=413347) 5 YRS OLD LIL.CHERRY

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/370981.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=370981) 17 MONTHS MACARONI :twisted:



TWO UPCOMING BREEDINGS- http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=413003 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=413003) :D :D

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=389934 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=389934) :D :D

[Officially Retired]

Nice looking dogs Marcus ... and I am very glad to see Little Red Cherry getting a great life now :D

Happy Holidays,

Jack


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[REDRUM]

Here is a handsome solid little inbred Icestorm dog owned by a buddy of mine. Just thought I'd share.

ENGLISH'S REDSTORM (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361397)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/361397.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361397)



"VERY NICE"


Thank you Kilo.

[REDRUM]

Little Red Cherry is looking good MC! I hope you do get something off of her to Rocko. I wish you the best. Take it easy bro.

[CULLENDOGS]

Thanks redrum and vise-versa on your up coming breeding with sun demons daughter,her to Rocko would be supreme as well but icestorm to her will create lil.monsters.... GOOD LUCK

[REDRUM]

Silverback X Coca-Rilla

[REDRUM]

Silverback X Coca-Rilla

[Officially Retired]

Wow, that male looks a lot like Silverback!

Nice, high-energy dogs :mrgreen:

[ponchday]

Everyone has posted amazing bulldogs, here's one of mine
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mo ... _id=196738 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=196738)

[Kilo]

Those Silver x Rilla pups are FREAKING GORGEOUSE! :o DAMN!

[drz]

Heres a young Male that I just bred up this year. Pictures do him no justice he's something else and wicked as hell. I hope he makes the stud list.


KILO'S KING KONG (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=258273)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/258273.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=258273)

Hey Kilo long time no see man. Glad you're still at it. Not sure if people who don't know these dogs even know how nice that ped on King Kong is. Gorgeous dog. Now if only someone could convince Conan to bury the hatchet and the old gang would pretty much be back on here.

[Kilo]

Hey Kilo long time no see man. Glad you're still at it. Not sure if people who don't know these dogs even know how nice that ped on King Kong is. Gorgeous dog. Now if only someone could convince Conan to bury the hatchet and the old gang would pretty much be back on here.


Thanks Bro. Yea I would love to hear from Conan been a minute since I talked to him. Does he have any dogs left? I would really love to breed King Kong to my double bred Silver Back gyp. Got "ALL" fingers crossed and praying he/she make the grade.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1094/aaamyd.jpg

[classic pitbull]

Good looking bulldogs everyone! Here's my pup out of Silverback x Coca-Rilla.
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/brindlepit/niki6.jpg
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/brindlepit/n5.jpg

[Officially Retired]

Wow, she looks good :mrgreen:

[Murda$cene]

Hey kilo heres two littermates to kong that a buddy has down n the south they all look great n I'm sure they will b wuts expected of them

MR. KILO
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/zenglish/e2cbf4c4.png
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/zenglish/ebdb2fca.png
MARIA
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/zenglish/767ff6fa.png
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/zenglish/47e8762f.png

[classic pitbull]

Wow, she looks good :mrgreen:
Thanks Jack, I'm very happy with her.

[Bamagamedogs05]

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w343/BAMAGAMEDOGS05/JAKEFIXED.jpg

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=274656 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=274656)

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w343/BAMAGAMEDOGS05/DSC01559.jpg

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=341169 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=341169)

a few younger ones

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=410800 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=410800)


http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=388461 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=388461)

[REDRUM]

Very nice Bama. Those are some well bred dogs you got there. That Bossman dog looks a lot like my Silver Pearl bitch.

[Bamagamedogs05]

thanks bro,I can't wait to cross it with that bitch I got from you.

[Officially Retired]

Nice pups Bama Dogs. Boy Jake and some of those pups look like they could be Iceman's twin!

[Murda$cene]

BAMA my homie u know how we roll lookin good my buddy lookin good hit me on the flip side

[Bamagamedogs05]

thanks jack,yea Jake is just like Iceman looks actions even got a crooked tail like iceman had. murda$cene oh yea, you know it homie :)

[ponchday]

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg485/ponchoday/2012-02-0511-35-00-094-1.jpg