Another Bust

[ceasar]

Another well known kennel hit yesterday. Them people on a damn mission.

[Frank43]

who got busted

[ceasar]

who got busted Titan kennels.

[Striking_Viking]

This went around about a year ago too ... turned out to be fake news ... hope it's the case this time as well.

[Frank43]

seems fake. nothing in the news or boards

[ceasar]

https://www.wbrz.com/news/pit-bulls-puppies-and-breeding-equipment-seized-in-possible-dog-fighting-investigation/

[AGK]

Treadmills found at the rented property gave neighbors reason for concern: "The treadmills were the first indication that there was something that could be going on that shouldn't be," LaFaver said.

Um yeah like exercise. What a crazy world.

[Frank43]

Treadmills mean nothing.

[EWO]

Once you get tried in the court of public opinion, that treadmill is as much as a smoking gun.


EWO

[Frank43]

You’re right. Doesn’t seem like Titan unless he had a crash house

[Stretchedout]

In the news clip none of the hounds i seen looked like they had scars Whoever it is can beat this as long as they dont take a jury trial you take a jury trial you can be 100% innocent and they animal lovers will still find you guilty because they can better chance with judge

[Frank43]

In the news clip none of the hounds i seen looked like they had scars Whoever it is can beat this as long as they dont take a jury trial you take a jury trial you can be 100% innocent and they animal lovers will still find you guilty because they can better chance with judge

the whole things is prob just stupidity. The stuff that sticks out to me was how many times animal control says they came out to talk to him and he was unreasonable. He lives in a neighborhood. 12 dogs is stupid prob barking and keeping people up. Reality is, they can jam you up when they want. Even if its to just fuck with you and make you miss work and inconvenience you. I have four. City ordinance says five grown dogs. I have house insurance and keep my dogs contained, no scars. etc. 12 in a neighborhood that size is probably retarded. Being a dick to animal control is probably stupid. my dogs are all human friendly house dogs. they may go at each other at times and don't get along with other dogs, but they aren't human aggressive even my biggest scariest male is friendly to strangers if i meet them as a friend. Another male dog he pretty much goes after. He's always under control on a leash or watched in the backyard or in the house with me. i haven't had a problem in years. I don't do retarded stuff.

[brasso]

Heartbreaking... I'm sick of these animal rights lunatics. Hope there's a special place in hell for them.

[Frank43]

Maybe what I said was harsh. I think we need to be mindful of our neighbors especially if we have more than one dog. He was always straight with me and always seemed to have the best interests of the breed in mind. I found myself in a foreign city. No family. I have friends here. i do work where i see people die and I come in contact with drug addicts and gang members. im the type to no bend or break and not give them what they want. There were nights I couldn't sleep. I keep a rifle by bed, and a pistol or rifle in every room I spend any decent amount of time. I started sleeping better when I got my dogs from him. When I couldn't get my MMA buddies to run, my dog would. Wether what I have classifies as PTSD or just appropriate anxiety his dogs helped. No barking shitzu would help. knowing my dog came from dogs that ran through walls when asked was comforting for me. I'd testify if he needed it.

[SBCK]

They will bring in that Terry Mills guy and use his ''expertise'' to prove that the mill was dog fighting equipment.
They will use trick language like saying the dogs have ''gained weight'' since they were in their custody (insinuating that they were underweight in the first place even if they werent).
They ''wont recall'' anything that could help your case but will make mountains out of mole hills on anything they think can hurt it.
Even if you aren't convicted they will charge you thousands for ''holding' your dogs.

[SBCK]

“It is everywhere, whether you believe it or not,” said Terry Mills, director of blood sports investigations with the ASPCA. “If someone has a yard full of [pit bulls], he’s probably a dog fighter.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/03/the-language-blood-sports/vgVVcI3ffTcghd473QL9GI/story.html%3foutputType=amp

[Frank43]

“It is everywhere, whether you believe it or not,” said Terry Mills, director of blood sports investigations with the ASPCA. “If someone has a yard full of [pit bulls], he’s probably a dog fighter.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/03/the-language-blood-sports/vgVVcI3ffTcghd473QL9GI/story.html%3foutputType=amp

I guess they have got to tool up for the fight. someone competent enough to say they dogs were at an appropriate body state. Now they are overweight. Treadmills are used by every breed of dog now you have basically dog racism saying since my dog is a high drive, high work ethic dog he can't use a treadmill. what's next black people can't own guns because some people sell drugs. I wish i knew all that transpired between him and ac.

[Frank43]

I guess they have got to tool up for the fight. someone competent enough to say they dogs were at an appropriate body state. Now they are overweight. Treadmills are used by every breed of dog now you have basically dog racism saying since my dog is a high drive, high work ethic dog he can't use a treadmill. what's next black people can't own guns because some people sell drugs. I wish i knew all that transpired between him and ac.


That whole we fed your dog and they gained weight is dumb. Like saying hey this guys BMI is 40 he 5’10 405. If you over feed him he will hit 410. What does that prove. Some people need to tighten up on their body scoring. https://petsci.co.uk/body-score-for-dogs/ There whole dogs on a chain equals fighter logic is stupid.

[SBCK]

That whole we fed your dog and they gained weight is dumb. Like saying hey this guys BMI is 40 he 5’10 405. If you over feed him he will hit 410. What does that prove. Some people need to tighten up on their body scoring. https://petsci.co.uk/body-score-for-dogs/ There whole dogs on a chain equals fighter logic is stupid.
Investigators and law enforcement are trained manipulators,and will intentionally misrepresent facts to make someone look bad.Once they have their eyes set on you,it’s not about the truth ,it’s about throwing as much shit at you as possible hoping that some of it sticks .If a DA states to the court that the dogs have gained weight since they have been taken from their owner,that’s insinuating that the dogs were underweight in the first place to the judge and or jury.Even though they have people look over these dogs and in their report it may state that the dog is healthy ,the judge and jury won’t have acccess to that information,unless the defendant or his lawyer brings that up.They will also use lies that they know aren’t true to try to get a conviction,and they give rats an incentive to lie on you to make your case seem worse.A person can NOT FIGHT their dog and get jammed up.A desperate snitch or two.A few scars from yard accidents ,a pedigree full of fighting dogs,and God forbid a breaking stick or a mill,and a few bulldog books and boom your toast.

[Frank43]

yea. i hear you.

[Frank43]

so hes done

[TrailerTrash]

Just seen a post from a guy online who is starting a GoFundme because AC showed up at his house without a warrant stating one of his dogs was underweight and ended up having all five of his dogs seized . That's all I know and do not know the guy personally .

[Cowboy666]

That's crazy! I just am now seeing the report and article from that ASPCA guy. Having lived in that area is extremely hard to keep a large size yard. And ironically I do recall the time when ac kept harassing me about getting my dogs registered out of nowhere. They would show-up unannounced a few times a month and luckily at the time i only had (3) on my yard but kept them nice and healthy during New England winter. They stopped coming by and I never did register the pups. Yard was always clean and dogs looked healthy. Definitely a witch hunt!

[Frank43]

I'm probably going to piss some people off. If they didn't stay on people stuff would get out of hand. I could see some people breeding, fighting dumping dogs left and right. There prob needs to be some deterent to just anyone getting a serious game bred dog. They have the tools to do damage. It only takes a minute with an unrestrained dog for some stuff to happen. Plus some people are downright sorry when it comes to caring for animals. Maybe AC goes too far. Prob needs to be there. For some reason I think in the old days people took more pride in their stuff. I feel dogmen would come on someone who took shitty care of their dogs. I still believe successful people have dogs fed, worked and taken general care of better than the average dog owner. There are sorry people with pits. They probably came out to see how you were going to be with them. When you had common sense. They left you alone.

[SBCK]

There prob needs to be some deterent to just anyone getting a serious game bred dog.

That ''deterrent'' shouldn't be zealot like harassment of APBT owners.There are already deterrents to fighting dogs,harboring dangerous dogs,abusing animals,etc...PRISON TIME and HUGE FINES.

[Frank43]

I agree. To some degree we are always pulled down by the people with the worse judgement. People culling dogs and leaving a bag of dogs by the road. I know a lot of people get jammed up. Pieces of shit always pull down the good people. A responsible owner wouldn't breed more than they could use. If they had to cull a living thing should be treated with some degree of respect. The dogs I have had to put down I pray over and take the time to make sure the bullet gets to the spot it needs to be. Old school guys wouldn't let dogs go. They are a serious responsibility in a lot of ways.

[IWK]

No. Government force is never the answer. Government exists only to protect human rights not animal rights or welfare. Government does everything by force and must be limited to only protecting our rights. Anything else is overstep and will result in abuse of power like we’re seeing here.

[Frank43]

Are dogmen their own policing entity that enforces standards in their ranks. From the standpoint of the police what do they do when a bag of dogs shows up on the side of the road with outraged citizens calling. Common sense would see to it that a standard of treatment would be expected among people that ask a lot of a dog. I look at my pack like a general. If we have to go into harms way to catch a hog then I will ensure after care of my soldiers. If I can't provide that care I don't need to be in it. I know there are lines where i don't want to be told what to do with my property but there are times when it spills over into the rights of others. I guess there are a lot of times that I agree with what officially retired has written about people being fast to tear down a dog and can't put it back together. In regards to your statement there are times the animals can effect the rights of humans. ie shitty chain setups with high prey drive dogs and kids. In another post I mentioned separating match info from breeding, conditioning, feeding etc The other part of the journal. There is probably a lot of information that can't be taught.

[SBCK]

Law abiding APBT owners and dog fighters are two different groups.If I own a mill for keeping my dog in shape or conditioning them for conformation shows that should be my right.The days of the SDJ are OVER in the USA.If you’re matching dogs you’re on the way to prison and your dogs are on their way to be put down.If you’re sending in reports of those matches you’re even more stupid.

[brasso]

No. Government force is never the answer. Government exists only to protect human rights not animal rights or welfare. Government does everything by force and must be limited to only protecting our rights. Anything else is overstep and will result in abuse of power like we’re seeing here.

Absolute truth! Animals are property and commodities. They do not have "rights".

[Frank43]

Absolute truth! Animals are property and commodities. They do not have "rights".

I agree with you. I don't know where it went off but prob when it became illegal the lowest denominator in the dogs became what the media showed. Within the last month a bag of dead dogs was found beside the road. Only breed what you can feed. If you have to cull. Bury the dog. It seems very simple. Like common sense.