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AGK
02-04-2012, 09:02 PM
Just a topic I personally enjoy reading about and I'm always interested in what others do as far as keeping your hounds vaccinated. I practice what the following read suggests, how about you?


Dr. Jean Dodd's NEW vaccine protocol:

Dr. W. Jean Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools.

Hi everyone.... THIS is wonderful news, that the veterinary schools are now going to be teaching that over-vaccination of pets (once a year "boosters") is only not necessary, but in some cases can be harmful or deadly! It has information for both dogs and cats. There still is an ongoing study regarding the Rabies vaccine. Most states now allow (reluctantly) 3 year Rabies, but the study is collecting data on whether or not even that may be too much. They are looking at 8 or 10 year Rabies!

I hope you all stop having yearly boosters for your pets. If you're concerned with immune levels, have the vet run a Titer test. THEN and only then, if the levels are below acceptable, should you have a booster. After all, when is the last time you had a "booster" for smallpox, or whooping cough, or anything else you had shots for as a child? Immune systems work the same in all mammals, and the concept that pets have to have yearly shots doesn't make any more sense than if you had have shots every year. If mammals immune systems were that weak in fending off these things, all of them, us included, would have been extinct years ago!

VACCINATION NEWS FLASH

I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs those concerned about potential side effects.

Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision.

NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY

"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus (MLV) vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced."
Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through their mother's milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 months) will provide lifetime immunity.

CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS

Distemper & Parvo *"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 & 4 months and again at 1 year with MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. "There are no new strains of parvovirus as one manufacturer would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis blue-eye" reactions & kidney damage.

**Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel cough". Recommended only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog shows, or for any reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The intranasal vaccine provides more complete and more rapid onset of immunity with less chance of reaction. Immunity requires 72 hours and does not protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity is of short duration (4 to 6 months).*

*RABIES There have been no reported cases of rabid dogs or cats in Harris, Montgomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas] but there have been rabid skunks and bats so the potential exists. It is a killed vaccine and must be given every year.

*Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can cause lameness, kidney failure and heart disease in dogs. Ticks can also transmit the disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed bacteria has proven to be the most effective vaccine. Lyme disease prevention should emphasize early removal of ticks. Amitraz collars are more effective than Top Spot, as amitraz paralyzes the tick's mouthparts preventing transmission of disease.

**VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED* *

Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & Texas A&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs.*

*Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks.

NEW DEVELOPMENTS:

Giardia is the most common intestinal parasite of humans in North America, 30% or more of all dogs & cats are infected with giardia. It has now been demonstrated that humans can transmit giardia to dogs & cats and vice versa.*

Heartworm preventative must be given year-round in Houston.

*VACCINES BADLY NEEDED

New vaccines in development include: Feline Immunodeficiency Virus and cat scratch fever vaccine for cats and Ehrlichia [one of the other tick diseases, much worse than Lyme] for dogs.

THE VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES; BUSINESS ASPECTS

Most vets recommend annual boosters and most kennel operators require them. For years, the pricing structure of vets has misled clients into thinking that the inherent value of an annual office visit was in the "shots". They failed to emphasize the importance of a physical exam for early detection of treatable diseases. It is my hope that you will continue to require Rabies & Kennel cough and emphasize the importance of a recent vet exam. I also hope you will accept the new protocols and honor these pets as currently vaccinated. Those in the boarding business who will honor the new vaccine facilities reluctant to change.

CONCLUSION

Dogs & cats no longer need to be vaccinated against distemper, parvo, & feline leukemia every year. Once the initial series of puppy or kitten vaccinations and first annual vaccinations are completed, immunity from MLV vaccines persists for life. It has been shown that cats over 1 year of age are immune to Feline Leukemia whether they have been vaccinated or not.

Imagine the money you will save, not to mention less risks from side effects, risk of mediated hemolytic anemia and allergic reactions are reduced by less frequent use of vaccines as well as by avoiding unnecessary vaccines such as K-9 Corona virus and chlamydia for cats, as well as ineffective vaccines such as Leptospirosis and FIP. Intranasal vaccine for Rhiotracheitis and Calici virus, two upper respiratory viruses of cats provide more complete protection than injectable vaccines with less risk of serious reactions.

The AAHA and all 27 veterinary schools of North America are our biggest endorsement for these new protocols.*


*Dr. Bob Rogers*

Please consider as current on all vaccinations for boarding purposes.

DOGS Initial series of puppy vaccines:




1. Distemper, hepatitis, parvo, parinfluenze - 3 sets one month apartconcluding at 16 weeks of age.*

2. Rabies at 16 weeks of age (later is better)

3. Bordetella within last 4-6 months First annual (usually at 1 year and 4 months of age)*

1. DHP, Parvo, Rabies

2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months 2 years or older


1. Rabies within last year

2. Bordetella within last 4-6 months

3. DHP & Parvo given anytime over 6 months of age , but not necessarily within the last year.

Recommended: Physical exam for transmissible diseases and health risks.

Patch
02-04-2012, 09:47 PM
Good information AGK...thanks for posting.

ScratchAndGO
02-07-2012, 07:09 PM
Very informative and dead on. I started to get into a heated discussion with a vet over my opinion on this topic. Thanks for posting.

AGK
02-08-2012, 08:05 PM
:)

Officially Retired
02-09-2012, 03:29 AM
Interesting info. Thanks for sharing.

MissAnthrope
02-15-2012, 12:18 PM
By law, you still need regular rabies vac though, right??

Which is always a bitch, considering you cant do it at home... :(

Ipk
02-15-2012, 09:59 PM
Great info

ScratchAndGO
02-23-2012, 12:34 AM
I just recently spoke to a friend of mine who just finished his vet tech degree. He said the vaccine regimen that they felt was best based on research they did at school was as follows... First shot at 6 weeks, second at 9 and third at a year old. That is it until the dog reaches a advanced age. He said some felt that they didn't even need any when they reached the advanced age. I previously gave mine shots at 6,10,and 14. And then would follow up with a yearly booster every couple years. I think I am going to stick with the 3 round method myself simply cause I know it works. But I do think I will stop giving the boosters til they are 7 or 8 years old then I will probably just give one more. Here is a link to a pretty interesting article on the subject.

http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/12/1 ... #more-1323 (http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2011/12/14/lifelong-immunity-%E2%80%93-why-vets-are-pushing-back/#more-1323)

ScratchAndGO
02-23-2012, 09:40 AM
By law, you still need regular rabies vac though, right??

Which is always a bitch, considering you cant do it at home... :(

Here is a link state by state for Rabies laws. Some states leave it up to the county animal control to decide how to regulate vaccines. Look up your state and it will say whether they require it to be done by a vet or if you can do it yourself. Some states do not have Rabies laws altogether.

http://www.zbirdbrain.com/VAX/RabiesLaws.pdf

TFX
03-13-2012, 06:24 AM
I have long been an advocate of using vaccinations very sparingly. My kids have had very few shots in their lives, and my dogs have never had any boosters after puppyhood. Good read, thank you.

RUMBLE FISH
11-21-2012, 02:30 PM
I'm with AGK and TFX. Have any of you read this book? Juliette de Bairacli Levy's book, The Complete Herbal Book for the Dog

AGK
11-30-2012, 07:52 PM
:)

Black Hand
12-12-2012, 01:04 AM
I don't do very many vaccines for a couple reasons. the main reason is the immunity of the pups which basically counters your vacc and it is as if you never even gave it to them. I know I do not have parvo and such on my yard, so I try to stay away from alot of vaccs but also my pups never leave the yard to bring anything back. for example, I got a pup who was given a 5 way vacc at 6 weeks of age. his litter mates went with a friend who also gave them another one at 9 weeks. guess what? them pups still got parvo. so those 2 vaccs didn't do shit. my pup was fine. after hearing his littermates got parvo I waited still and then vaccinated him and the rest of my pups. not only did his littermates get it, but another dog on their yard got it who was over a year old and had been vaccinated the same when she was a pup but probably not around 16 weeks. I like to try to wait it out and give the vaccs later around 4 months of age. I have never had parvo. but I keep a clean yard and home with not a lot of traffic. a lot of ppl say dogs immunity from the dam only last 5 weeks, I don't believe it.

Black Hand
12-12-2012, 01:08 AM
I also understand the effects the shot can have on the immune system of the pups and that can be related to some pups getting parvo still. I just looked at the paper my pup and his littermates had 2 vaccs before being picked up. so those pups that got it had been vacc'd 3 times. but the grown pup that also got it wasn't vacc'd at the same time as them so I wouldn't relate it to the vacc weakening their immune system. I think they just had prolonged immunity and when it "wore off" they contracted it.