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SUNDEVIL
02-06-2012, 11:33 AM
Just like to see whats out there and show off my female I really like how shes coming along. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/407568.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=407568) Also curious jack do you think she will blend well with your stock of this family Thx for sharing your knowledge. 8-)

SUNDEVIL
02-06-2012, 12:49 PM
I know the vise grip blood is built on the same family foundation just learning about this family and sharing thoughts. 8-)

Officially Retired
02-06-2012, 01:07 PM
Yes, I did the original Coca Cola breedings before I sold her to Rockside bred to his Charlie Boy dog. The Bandana (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=90605) bitch that I got back out of said breeding was an outstanding bitch and producer.

Your bitch is double-bred on brother/sister bred littermates to Bananda (Pepe & Teela) and is built nicely. I like the pedigree of your bitch's mama Mocha (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=183421) the best, seeing as Mocha is a full-sister to Two Gun's Ch Blaze (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=208745). Therefore, if it were my bitch, I would try to find the owner of Ch Blaze and do a 3/4-1/4 Uncle/Niece breeding, using an excellent proven dog off of the Coca Cola/Mayday breeding combination, and full brother to your bitch's mama, giving you a 1/8th Eli out for "spice." I don't see how you would get anything but outstanding dogs doing something like this.

If you're asking about how your bitch would go with my dogs, you couldn't go wrong with Black Storm (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=255471), Choco-la-te (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=141126), or Ice Storm (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=196615) either.

Jack

SUNDEVIL
02-06-2012, 05:28 PM
Jack actually im pretty good friends with the owner of CH BLAZE but i dont think he is producing any longer and their does'nt seem to be much off him. I ran across a son DR PEPPER heard good things about him but thats it. 8-) THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE.I was thinking maybe that son of CH MR Serious Rodney D ;) Any of yours would nice as well just cant get to you jack. :)

SUNDEVIL
02-06-2012, 06:27 PM
Jack all three of those are males are outstanding specimens and I would be excited about lining up to breed to either of the three but the one that makes me tremble thinking about it is Choco-la-te He is amazing You really pulled 3 suprb candidates out the hat you got me really thinking jack.

Officially Retired
02-07-2012, 06:20 AM
Well, you asked for it :lol:

Again, what I would do, especially if you're friends with the owner of Ch Blaze, is not waste any time play guessing games ... and go get that dog's semen analyzed. That is the difference between knowledge and "belief" and professionalism vs. "amateurism." Really knowing where you're at is everything, while "thinking" something that might not be true is almost always the recipe for failure. My own belief would be that, if there is a shot at getting your bitch bred to Ch Blaze, that HE would be my #1 choice, given your bitch's pedigree as well as your proximity and relationship with his owner.

As far as the other 3 dogs that I bred go, Choco-la-te is in the Virgin Islands I think, while Black Storm is in NM, and Ice Storm is in TX.

Any of these choices would be good as well, as Poncho dogs, Ouch Dogs, Coca Cola, and Mayday dogs have all interbred together to produce Champions. For example, with Choco-la-te, the Ouch/Coca Cola blood has thrown Champions by itself in Ch Vengence (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=285893) (who is Choko-la-te's brother), as well as crossed with the Mayday/Poncho/StoneCity blood in Ch Tulipa (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=71650) (sired by Choko's other brother). So excellence runs in the family, and these Champions were as high-level as dogs get.

Also, regarding the Cherry Cola blood, Ice Storm just recently had his first offspring shown, Blackrock's Nazi (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=341090), who won BIS on a huge card in Mexico, showing incredible gameness (and I mean incredible gameness) to pull off his win in 2:00+. While nothing off of Black Storm has been shown yet, even though all of the dogs I listed are bred fantastic, I actually prefer Black Storm's pedigree by a hair over any of them. Unfortunately, I think he might have been stolen.

Jack

SUNDEVIL
02-07-2012, 02:38 PM
Thanks again for your insight on this family I may try to see if I can talk the owner into making the breeding happen with CH BLAZE as for the three V/G dogs cream of the crop and GOD forbid Black Storm was stolen all three are magnificent reps of the family making their owners proud im sure.

Officially Retired
02-07-2012, 03:55 PM
Well, I sure do wish you the best, and I hope you're able to preserve that outstanding blood :D

drz
02-07-2012, 04:38 PM
Beautiful gyp you got there SunDevil. Would look great to Ch. Blaze but as you said that dog misses a whole lot more than he hits.

SUNDEVIL
02-07-2012, 05:28 PM
:lol: Thanks drz it would be a great breeding but I dont think its gonna happen ,Yeah it seems his off are few as well ,But a very nice hound none the less 8-)

ToTheDogs
12-23-2012, 08:43 PM
blaze is dead....cancer.....Pepper and gigi both off blaze i own. Going to do a breeding half bro and sis.