You forgot the most important RBJ dog STP used ...
Gr Ch John Boy, lol
You got Frosty on STP, but yet he is RIGHT that STP concentrated on
Buck and
Boyles dogs in his breedings, which is where
most of his produced wins come from. Also, his BEST male dog was
Gr Ch Buck, a Bolio dog, and his BADDEST female was
Ch Bad Rosemary, a Bolio/Eli/Hank bitch, and granddaughter to Buck, (
not Yellow's sister
Ch Sassy).
Frosty also mentioned WCC and Bellon Club and I have to agree with him on that. You pointing out that the Bellon Club used "a" RBJ dog in their
multi-decade career is a bit of a stretch on your part :rolleyes: Let's just face the fact that the Bellon Club did NOT use these dogs much at all, except an isolated instance or two. Frosty also said WCC, a hugely-successful kennel, didn't use this blood at all. Hell, for that matter,
I have used RBJ dogs a tiny bit ... but to say that "my success" came from these dogs ... or that my BEST dogs had this blood ... would be a bit of a stretch too (although there have been some great dogs of this cross as well). But it sure isn't the direction I chose to breed mine ... I went the opposite direction, quite frankly.
Again, let me repeat THE POINT here until it sinks in: 1) NO ONE HAS SAID these dogs haven't been SUCCESSFUL! So you pointing out that these dogs "have succeeded" or "have been used" is a meaningless effort on your part. WE KNOW THAT!!! What we are arguing is the idea these dogs have DOMINATED AN ERA ... that they have produced THE KILLINGEST dogs EVER ... and the idea that ALL THE GOOD ONES are RBJ.
These RIDICULOUS ASSERTIONS are what is being argued here ... because they're FLAT OUT UNTRUE.
Right, exactly, and Waccamaw is the one who basically said everything "not RBJ" isn't good, and that RBJ dogs are the only dogs that are good, which is WHY this REALITY CHECK was necessary.
There are PLENTY of other lines that have snuffed RBJ dogs, that have produced as many OR MORE Champions, Grand Champions, ROMS, etc. as the RBJ line has. And there are PLENTY of HUGELY-SUCCESSFUL kennels who don't run the blood at all. Maybe not in SC where Wac is, but there are MANY kennels in Texas, the west coast, and basically everywhere
but SC that have never fed A SINGLE RBJ dog ... and who have multiple winners, Champions, etc. to their credit.
That is the center of this debate ... NOT that RBJ dogs "aren't successful" ... because we all know that they ARE.
It's the idea that they're "the center of the universe" that is ridiculous. Because they get their asses handed to them too ... they get snuffed like anything else also ... they quit and jump as well ... and they are NO WHERE TO BE SEEN on
any roster of "the winningest dogs of all time" :idea:
It IS an all-time great bloodline though, competitive with anything out there.
Jack