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It was a typo pointing out the misuse of the word won't or want, wouldn't change the fact that frosty paws stated that (neither=not one or the other) since we pulling out Webster had that blood...I didn't say it he did even if they used one dog they both had it and won with it. Who knows which dogs were the best STP had multiple champions with it and even a Gr Ch.....Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
We know which dog was the best, because STP wrote an article in the Journal, when Gr Ch Buck died, directly stating Buck was the best dog they ever had out of all the great dogs that they showed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nextlevel
Jack
Show me where Bellon Club had major success with RBJ dogs. I'm well aware of what I said, and I stand by what I said. Seeing as I knew part of the Bellon Club, and knowing what they used, you won't find them using RBJ dogs. Goofy was a dog they made a breeding with in their program. Once. No winners from the breeding. Go back and show me 5, hell 3, winning RBJ dogs that the Bellon Club used their ENTIRE time in dogs. Those are facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nextlevel
When people think of STP, the first thing they think of isn't RBJ dogs, though they did use them. That's because their greatest success, through their time, came with the Boyles type dogs.
Crenshaw didn't use RBJ dogs. Casino didn't use RBJ dogs. TVK didn't use RBJ dogs. BMW didn't use RBJ dogs. Fat Bill didn't use RBJ dogs.
The topic is centered around the best dogs being Redboy/Jocko or having that in them. And that is just complete nonsense. Some of the best dogs I've ever seen, or owned, had zero RBJ blood in it, and I'm a fan of those dogs.
Maybe your definition of major success and mine are different.
I guess Ch Sassy POR, CH Leonardo, CH Toro POR, CH TAG, Gr Ch lukane ROM, Bobby Lou POR, CH STP holly is not major success. My definition of major is having CHAMPIONS or GRCH ROM dogs if you have a different definition, then everyone on this site should be carrying your stock with me first in line..!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyPaws
But I will give you Bellon club..... But they still used it....you said none, nada, zilch, zero.....
It was nice debating this topic gave a lot of members some down time by reading this subject... We all have our different flavor of hounds, picking one for the whole fraternity would be disrespectful and degrading.... Regardless of it's Bloodline of origin. Thank you Jack and Frosty Paws.... Wacc see you soon Big Unk....I'm not kennel blind I also run Toby, Booger dogs....
You forgot the most important RBJ dog STP used ... Gr Ch John Boy, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nextlevel
You got Frosty on STP, but yet he is RIGHT that STP concentrated on Buck and Boyles dogs in his breedings, which is where most of his produced wins come from. Also, his BEST male dog was Gr Ch Buck, a Bolio dog, and his BADDEST female was Ch Bad Rosemary, a Bolio/Eli/Hank bitch, and granddaughter to Buck, (not Yellow's sister Ch Sassy).
Frosty also mentioned WCC and Bellon Club and I have to agree with him on that. You pointing out that the Bellon Club used "a" RBJ dog in their multi-decade career is a bit of a stretch on your part :rolleyes: Let's just face the fact that the Bellon Club did NOT use these dogs much at all, except an isolated instance or two. Frosty also said WCC, a hugely-successful kennel, didn't use this blood at all. Hell, for that matter, I have used RBJ dogs a tiny bit ... but to say that "my success" came from these dogs ... or that my BEST dogs had this blood ... would be a bit of a stretch too (although there have been some great dogs of this cross as well). But it sure isn't the direction I chose to breed mine ... I went the opposite direction, quite frankly.
Again, let me repeat THE POINT here until it sinks in: 1) NO ONE HAS SAID these dogs haven't been SUCCESSFUL! So you pointing out that these dogs "have succeeded" or "have been used" is a meaningless effort on your part. WE KNOW THAT!!! What we are arguing is the idea these dogs have DOMINATED AN ERA ... that they have produced THE KILLINGEST dogs EVER ... and the idea that ALL THE GOOD ONES are RBJ.
These RIDICULOUS ASSERTIONS are what is being argued here ... because they're FLAT OUT UNTRUE.
Right, exactly, and Waccamaw is the one who basically said everything "not RBJ" isn't good, and that RBJ dogs are the only dogs that are good, which is WHY this REALITY CHECK was necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nextlevel
There are PLENTY of other lines that have snuffed RBJ dogs, that have produced as many OR MORE Champions, Grand Champions, ROMS, etc. as the RBJ line has. And there are PLENTY of HUGELY-SUCCESSFUL kennels who don't run the blood at all. Maybe not in SC where Wac is, but there are MANY kennels in Texas, the west coast, and basically everywhere but SC that have never fed A SINGLE RBJ dog ... and who have multiple winners, Champions, etc. to their credit.
That is the center of this debate ... NOT that RBJ dogs "aren't successful" ... because we all know that they ARE.
It's the idea that they're "the center of the universe" that is ridiculous. Because they get their asses handed to them too ... they get snuffed like anything else also ... they quit and jump as well ... and they are NO WHERE TO BE SEEN on any roster of "the winningest dogs of all time" :idea:
It IS an all-time great bloodline though, competitive with anything out there.
Jack
I never said that. What I said RBJ made more dead game dogs !and that is a true statement.and you know it ,ha,ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
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Originally Posted by waccamaw
I love both lines. What I don't like about the rbj dogs is their destructive nature. They get wound up and lose it .. fight the chain, the doghouse, RETARDS. flip side is they are too stupid to quit.. but hard keepers. As far as Bolio tombstone dogs.. detriment is finicky coat. Must eat grain free or raw.
I said dumb ol' Jocko Redboy dogs and another term was 'stupid game'. I hadn't heard that in a number of years. I can remember hearing those dogs are too stupid to quit.
With that said, Wacc, it was still a really cool statement. Accuracy or inaccuracy didn't matter much to me. EWO
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Originally Posted by evolutionkennels
Your all assuming every dog is bred the way his papers say,most bulldogs today come from some of the most dishonest dogmen in the game.Most dogmen of past days hung papers so in short we'll never know whats really behind our dogs today.