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I think u guys r comparing apples to oranges here.I think every line is an independant bloodline.I wouldnt compare a Burns bred rbj to a Wacc.bred rbj dog,both very differnt animals and I think I can say the same about bolio dogs,Jeep dogs,Eli dogs and the list can keep going on an on.Feed what makes you happy and youll enjoy life alot more.I saw a bumpet sticker a few wks back that said"Dogs make mankind".They sure keep me kind.
That's nasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by waccamaw
The face/muzzle is the only place Sassy wanted ... and her sister Razor was the same way.
Razor produced Ch Pierce, who I know for sure was also a devastating face dog, and who I believe also took out the eyes ...
You should put up some photos of your dogs, as it would be nice to see Yellow John and the rest of the gang up there.
I saw that someone put your foundation bitch, Saber, in the system ... but it would be cool if you would get up off yer @$$ and put more and other photos of your dogs up there :mrgreen:
Have a good weekend :-bd
Jack
Very rarely did we take pic of a dog ,in fact you were the first to take one of big John.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
That is too bad. I thought you had some photos in storage. Would be nice to hang onto for posterity ...
Think I might have some more of Big John too than what's up there.
Agree with this. I think the dogs change when different people breed them. Same family, but it only takes one, maybe two breedings and the resulting dogs con be completely different. Any number of things can be factored in or left out to start the change. A guy could pass up the best performer and producer if the dog gets to 50lbs and he only likes smaller dogs. Silly. But that is all it takes to make changes. EWO
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Originally Posted by swampdawg
Yes and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWO
Yes, things absolutely change when a new owner starts selecting for his own individual preferences (competent or incompetent) within a line ...
But no, if they still go back to RBJ (or Jeep, or whatever), they're still RBJ (Jeep, etc.) dogs.
Jack
PS: That is also the SIGN of competence is when a breeder is focusing on NEW DOGS within the line. For example, if I still am trying to sell my dogs as "Bolio dogs" then I am an imbecile who apparently hasn't been able to breed MY OWN good dogs within the strain ... I am still looking back over my shoulder 40 years ago for a dead dog in order to have something good to say about what I have now. By contrast, even if my dogs have Bolio "in them" ... I should be able to point to dogs NOW, on my yard TODAY, that are defining themselves and worth talking about (e.g., Silverback dogs or some live, or only recently-dead, dog that I am focusing on NOW). So to me, when someone can only say my dogs are "Jeep dog" (rather than, say, SlimShady dogs--dogs that are good now), I automatically know that I am looking at a guy who's not feeding/breeding anything worth talking about on his own yard.
Jack I have to disagree with u about rbj dogs being the same because they go back to the same dogs.Some r bred for show some are not.If there all the same then I can use the same remark that All bulldogs are the same because they all share the same ancestors from the first dogs brought to America.
I actually already addressed what you said ... and agree
I do have a fewQuote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
As Jack said, I knew some of the members. My partner knew some of the members. They bred one of their champion bitches to one of our stud males years ago. I never bought a pup from them. I didn't make a statement based on reading any pedigrees, Swamp. I made it based on personal knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by swampdawg