Face Dog = Head Dog?

Agree with 'no style is 100%', but controlling the head puts a dog in as favorable position as any, if not more favorable. And just like anything, there are levels or specialties in head dogs. Head dogs can be face dogs, or ear dogs, or between the eyes dogs, any number of places on the head. Some are just riding some are riding and laying some wood as they ride.

Then we can use the phrases 'offensive minded head dog' and 'defensive minded head dog'. Both can control the head, control the match and dictate the pace. Jack mentioned those defensive aces, and those can go to another level. The dog that is offensive and lays wood right up until the other guy re-positions, counters, finds a hold, and then that dog switches to that defensive dog in the blink of an eye. Rides til he can lay some wood and back to the offensive side of the ball all the while being in complete control.

It takes a real freak to overcome this and the freaks do not grow on trees. EWO

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Agree with 'no style is 100%', but controlling the head puts a dog in as favorable position as any, if not more favorable. And just like anything, there are levels or specialties in head dogs. Head dogs can be face dogs, or ear dogs, or between the eyes dogs, any number of places on the head. Some are just riding some are riding and laying some wood as they ride.

Then we can use the phrases 'offensive minded head dog' and 'defensive minded head dog'. Both can control the head, control the match and dictate the pace. Jack mentioned those defensive aces, and those can go to another level. The dog that is offensive and lays wood right up until the other guy re-positions, counters, finds a hold, and then that dog switches to that defensive dog in the blink of an eye. Rides til he can lay some wood and back to the offensive side of the ball all the while being in complete control.

It takes a real freak to overcome this and the freaks do not grow on trees. EWO

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I agree with everything you said, except that I did not ever say my favorite dogs were "defensive" ... in point of fact they were offensive.

Icon, when he was deep on the head/ear, would have the other dog's head smashed into the side board, would shake/root etc., and would toss/flip the other dogs around like a judo player. Stormbringer and Silverback, when they were on the head/ear, would only be doing so to set you up for a shoot to your throat ... be it from low/down under, or after they wrestled you down with their ear hold.

As a face dog, Missy was only on the face long enough to fracture whatever was in her mouth (muzzle, eye socket, etc.), and slow you down. As soon as you stopped "driving forward," and had the steam taken out of you, Missy would shoot in, up high in the armpit, and just shake/root the bejesus out of you. It wasn't a true finish spot with Missy, but she would DEVASTATE the face ... and after she shook out your front leg/armpit, you weren't walking on it again ... that leg would be a limp, wet noodle. 5 bitches her size had to be picked up in under :12 ... and the one who made it to the :20 mark didn't make it to the next morning.

All of these were extremely strong, very physical dogs ... who just knew that to grab you upside your head like that was "to OWN your ass" :lol:

Jack

I didn't say they were your favorite, I said you mentioned the defensive aces. I was simply saying there are different levels to everything, including head dogs.

Ch. Charlie (4XW) was as you mentioned. He went to the side of the jaw. He looked like he started at the ear and the throat and bit it all together at the jaw. He punished a dog while not getting hurt himself. It worked two fold, one if it broke the dog down, or it slowed, it was a smooth and quick transition into the throat, which ended three of the four. And two, if it didn't after 10-15 minutes the dogs jaw muscle was shredded and the other guys tools were no longer available, which in turn led to his fourth win, when the dog could no longer defend himself.

Totally agree with your posts. EWO

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I didn't say they were your favorite, I said you mentioned the defensive aces. I was simply saying there are different levels to everything, including head dogs.

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Ah, okay, and true.

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Ch. Charlie (4XW) was as you mentioned. He went to the side of the jaw. He looked like he started at the ear and the throat and bit it all together at the jaw. He punished a dog while not getting hurt himself. It worked two fold, one if it broke the dog down, or it slowed, it was a smooth and quick transition into the throat, which ended three of the four. And two, if it didn't after 10-15 minutes the dogs jaw muscle was shredded and the other guys tools were no longer available, which in turn led to his fourth win, when the dog could no longer defend himself.

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That is a hard, hard style to beat ...

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Totally agree with your posts. EWO

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Ditto.

Jack

Ch. Sissy, off Hunter Red/Whitehead, was the type of defensive head dog mentioned in previous posts. She would grab the ear, and stand side by side with her opponent, and it was basically over once she found that particular spot. She beat 2 champions out of 3 wins and died in keep for her 4th show.

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Originally Posted by FrostyPaws

Ch. Sissy, off Hunter Red/Whitehead, was the type of defensive head dog mentioned in previous posts. She would grab the ear, and stand side by side with her opponent, and it was basically over once she found that particular spot. She beat 2 champions out of 3 wins and died in keep for her 4th show.

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Bobby Holland told me about Ch Sissy ... but I thought she beat 3 Champions (including DSK's Ch Banji)?

TGIF ...

She beat Ch.Yard Dog and Ch.Banji. The first bitch she beat wasn't a champion I don't believe.

http://www.pitbull-history.com/galle...ider_fight.jpg


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You and me baby, we're stuck like glue! :lol:

"I had killing dogs that were game. And at anytime, they could hold them out for a while maybe, but eventually I’m gonna get you. And my dogs wont’ run out of air. Most of my fights that I’ve been in you won’t see my dog's tongue ever out of his mouth. I went against devastating dogs that could bite your dogs’ leg right off. I had my dogs go so deep into their ear and bite and hit that nerve in there. You know the toughest dogs in the world, I had my dogs go right in his ear and deep down in his ear and hit that nerve. They start growling and then crying and growling and crying and back and forth and they wanted out of there and I wouldn’t let my dog off their ear. I punished them so severely by the time they had a scratch, they are going to stay in the corner and they don’t want no more.

~ Ozzie Stevens

One of the best interviews.