Re: looking for some working andy capp
My own line from an unbroken chain of breedings going back 21 years. A combination of the old S&W blood with some of Tom Garner's and Ronald Boyles' best blood infused into it strategically. I don't really like your run of the mill Garner dogs, and I have seen terrible percentages out of the Boyles stuff, but the blend on the two families was very high quality and high percentage. It was on this three way blend that we truly dropped anchor about a dozen years ago and have not changed the gene pool whatsoever. They are just family bred on the same bunch of good show dogs and a few honest ones that were held back from showing for various reasons. They are very honest, consistent, and durable dogs, and have won somewhere over 84% of their shows and have shown game in over 90% of their shows. This is a mating I made earlier in the week with my last remaining brood female. I have basically been out of the dogs for 6 years or so, but am committed to keeping the little family going.
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Re: looking for some working andy capp
TFK this was a bad dog that we had down here in FL had some of that good Andy Capp blood n him,along with jacks missy,he also produced a Gr Ch and Ch in the same litter
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Re: looking for some working andy capp
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Originally Posted by TFX
My own line from an unbroken chain of breedings going back 21 years. A combination of the old S&W blood with some of Tom Garner's and Ronald Boyles' best blood infused into it strategically. I don't really like your run of the mill Garner dogs, and I have seen terrible percentages out of the Boyles stuff, but the blend on the two families was very high quality
and high percentage. It was on this three way blend that we truly dropped anchor about a dozen years ago and have not changed the gene pool whatsoever. They are just family bred on the same bunch of good show dogs and a few honest ones that were held back from showing for various reasons. They are very honest, consistent, and durable dogs, and have won somewhere over 84% of their shows and have shown game in over 90% of their shows. This is a mating I made earlier in the week with my last remaining brood female. I have basically been out of the dogs for 6 years or so, but am committed to keeping the little family going.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=296011
Very nice! That is some serious linebreeding on your old Roto bitch! How is the conformation/ability holding up as you progress. Any problems or have you rid yourself of the problems and are getting some really nice uniformity by now?
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Originally Posted by Jrbulldogs
Ah yes, the only Hollingsworth/ViseGrip mix with some RBJ ... with some Capp in there for good measure. Champions (and better!) seem to come, any way you mix them :ugeek:
Jack
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Re: looking for some working andy capp
Conformation is solid rock still, no changes whatsoever the tighter we go due to selectivity. I had 2 priceless inbred dogs from the program stolen by the Paul Rich dirtbag that has burned half of the dogmen in the country by now. He dumped one on the yard of a fancier who didn't know it was stolen. This guy called me and told me he put the inbred dog on a young prospect that was 9-10 lbs heavier, and found that the inbred dog just completely outwrestled and manhandled the heavier dog and was a very impressive animal. Here he is:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=313312
Unfortunately, the gentleman whose yard he was on asked the dog thief to get any stolen dogs off of his yard, and the word on the street is that they had put this dog through so much, and he looked so rough, that they just put him down. What a great reward for being a quality animal in every sense of the word eh? I wish that we could cull the game of all the lowlifes that are a total scourge on the breed and fancy.
Re: looking for some working andy capp
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Originally Posted by TFX
Conformation is solid rock still, no changes whatsoever the tighter we go due to selectivity. I had 2 priceless inbred dogs from the program stolen by the Paul Rich dirtbag that has burned half of the dogmen in the country by now. He dumped one on the yard of a fancier who didn't know it was stolen. This guy called me and told me he put the inbred dog on a young prospect that was 9-10 lbs heavier, and found that the inbred dog just completely outwrestled and manhandled the heavier dog and was a very impressive animal. Here he is:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=313312
Unfortunately, the gentleman whose yard he was on asked the dog thief to get any stolen dogs off of his yard, and the word on the street is that they had put this dog through so much, and he looked so rough, that they just put him down. What a great reward for being a quality animal in every sense of the word eh? I wish that we could cull the game of all the lowlifes that are a total scourge on the breed and fancy.
What a beautiful, game dog ... how wonderful that he confirmed your selection standards and breeding principles ... and how awful that he was utterly wasted and not appreciated.
Trust me, friend, I feel your pain :angry:
Jack
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Re: looking for some working andy capp
TFX you have a very well bred, healthy program.
i iwould say that his program consist of some andy capp/boyles/carver bred dogs with a touch of chinaman back in in gen
Re: looking for some working andy capp
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Originally Posted by YigYang
TFX you have a very well bred, healthy program.
i iwould say that his program consist of some andy capp/boyles/carver bred dogs with a touch of chinaman back in in gen
It's true that the dogs you mentioned are "in back" of TFX's dogs ... however, genetically, the dog TFX's stock is bred the tightest on is his ROTO bitch (75% top and bottom) ...
Jack
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Re: looking for some working andy capp
The breeding I just made is 11/16ths Roto and 5/16ths CH Costello. And then we get back to the very first post I made on the "traits". While they are tighter bred on Roto than anything else "on paper", many of them are "pure" CH Costello dogs through and through. By continuing to breed the "Cos dogs" to the "Roto dogs", the original cross continues to be refreshed, and they remain as if there were that original hybrid vigor. Literally, the tighter they get, they tend to be getting better with each succeeding generation. Roto and Cos had similar styles and ability, so those traits that we like have become more and more fixed over time. If these dogs lack anything they lack some speed. Sparing infusions of our Homer III blood picked up the speed on average, but some of the raw power and extreme durability of these dogs is lost in doing so. These dogs live a long time too, 15 1/2, 13, 12, years old is very common. The sire of the litter above is coming up on 9 and he looks like he is 4 or 5. While I recognize that there are some really good lines out there, I wouldn't trade these dogs for anything else in the world, especially some flavor of the year so-called "fastlane" stuff. I think when those get by Batters and that JoJo bitch are shown, people will see fastlane. The few camps that have those five dogs have all been in dogs for 20-30 years and have never owned anything quite like them.......... ever.
