Breeding only off of the bloodline

I know a lot of people say don't breed unless your dog is test and declared worthy but I have a male they say was bred for reproduction so they informed me that there is no need to look at this dog, now he came from a good line of working dogs I've seen his father, and his grand father is well producing panther dog now I love how the dog acts he's shows no fear of anything, he has a conformation I love, and he acts just like his sire wich lead me to acquire this dog, now if you had this dog and felt the way I did would you allow him to be part of your program? Thanks

I wouldnt breed my dog without knowing what he has to offer, to say there is no need to check him sounds like bad advice to me. JMHO No dog produces good dogs 100% of the time.

The first rule of breeding is, Breed for What YOU Want :idea:
No one else has to approve ...

The second rule of breeding is, A Dog Won't Necessarily Produce What It Is (good or bad) :idea:
So, in a way, testing the ability has nothing to do with testing his ability to produce ...

However, with these things said, I personally would at least roll any dog out that I plan on breeding. This doesn't mean "skull drag" or "two dog" ... or anything like that ... but I at least like to know what attributes the dog has physically, mentally, and stamina-wise. (That way, I can also learn whether he produces "better" or "worse" than what he is as an individual, if I like him.)

The only reason people don't roll their dogs is fear of disappointment :idea:
The only reason people OVER-roll their dogs is fear of making a decision :idea:

People don't want to be either disappointed, or wrong, so one side will "not look at" the dog ... so they "don't know" ... while the other side will never want to commit to calling a dog "game" and then have it quit later. So they will repeatedly beat the shit out of the dog, yet be unwilling to commit to calling it "game" so they can start breeding it. So they will just continue to roll the dog. Both are fear-based, both are counter-productive ways of doing things, both are extremes at opposing ends. Both are wrong.

The sensible way of doing things (especially if you have an eye for a dog) is to roll them out to get a pretty good idea of what you've got. That is all you need :mrgreen:

I have never used ANY dog as a main stud that I haven't seen go with my own eyes ... yet I can also say that neither have I "absolutely skull drug" too many of my dogs either.
Poncho came close to dying in his match, and I based my whole yard on him when I saw how game he was, but I have never drug the ass of too many of my other stud dogs ... and yet they all have pretty much produced consistently high-percentage success over the best in the world for many years ... AND my line is known for extreme gameness.

The funny thing is, there are people who "test much harder" than I do ... whose dogs regularly quit to mine :lol:

The full composite of what I look for in a dog is the key to my success as a breeder, NOT just "how much abuse" my dogs can take :idea:

But I could NEVER make these determinations by having a lineup of untouched dogs ... I could never do that ... I would never do that. I like knowing what I have :idea:
If any animal is going to be a major part in what I am feeding/breeding, I most definitely want to have a solid idea as to ALL of its physical/mental strengths/weaknesses ... and those of the littermates/parents as well.

Again, I don't have to half-kill them to make a decision, but I do have to see at least :25 to :45 out of them, once or twice (after they're schooled), against what I know are pretty good dogs, in order to have an idea where they stand in overall ability/quality. The rest is up to the intangibles, so I don't have to worry about extreme testing. Otherwise, if I never have a look, so I can see, then I am pretty much playing guessing games and leaving the future of my yard on "hope," not knowledge. In the end, successful breeders base their decisions on knowledge of what they're doing, not "hopes" ...

That's my $0.02,

Jack

I agree with CJ and TS. Even a 10 or 15 min look will help you make better breedings. And this will help you in either way you choose to breed.
1, some people like to breed dogs with like traits. Ex; hard mouth to hard mouth. Smart to smart
2, other like to breed unlike traits to get more well rounded dogs. Ex; wind to mouth, smarts to durability.
3. Some may try both ways of breedings and see which offspring turn out the best. Then base you future breedings based off your observation of the early breedings.

Either way its best to know what he has to offer.
Good luck

What about an inbreed dog? Some may say that particular dog my not show the trait him self but may pass it along to his offsprings or is that someone just taking a gamble on a breeding ?

The only reason people don't roll their dogs is fear of disappointment
The only reason people OVER-roll their dogs is fear of making a decision

These could be pretty good topics/threads all by themselves. EWO

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Originally Posted by Acesaun

What about an inbreed dog? Some may say that particular dog my not show the trait him self but may pass it along to his offsprings or is that someone just taking a gamble on a breeding ?

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Most of my best (or at least gamest) dogs have been inbred ...

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Originally Posted by EWO

The only reason people don't roll their dogs is fear of disappointment
The only reason people OVER-roll their dogs is fear of making a decision
These could be pretty good topics/threads all by themselves. EWO

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Yes :)

Alot say that about inbred dogs its a peddeling tool oh he/ she is inbred no need to do anything with em. At the end of the its your choice as Jack stated but basing a yard of unknown qualities is not wise at all. From the sound of things you sound happy with the ,so do what you feel is right for you and your dog. If certain aspects are nt for you then dont partake in them cause if your dog stops you are gonna be heart broken,old saying dont be surprised when they quit,be surprised when they show game.Yis Ole Man

Thanks gentalman, I always had that mentality of not really caring how it's breed but cared more on how it works, you know with my experience in theses dogs it can be a lil complex when you have someone who's been in this life style for decades tell you other than what you believe. Thanks again guys....

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Originally Posted by Acesaun

Thanks gentalman, I always had that mentality of not really caring how it's breed but cared more on how it works, you know with my experience in theses dogs it can be a lil complex when you have someone who's been in this life style for decades tell you other than what you believe. Thanks again guys....

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Did you get your dog from a guy named JW? That sounds like something he likes to say after he sells a pup...

One of the toughest things to do in these dogs, as well in a lot of other areas, is cutting your own path. My first experiences in the dogs was with a guy who did the things the way they were done back then. He was winning. As I got older I started to see other people doing things differently than him (complete opposite) and winning the same. I saw guys who had to skull drag dogs to see if they were worthy of being bred, then the polar opposite of breeding well bred dogs on their first or second heat. Both of these types have successes. I have known guys who thought the only way to condition was via the slat mill and the next guy would not let you melt his dog down and pour him on a mill. Both won.
The funny thing is that these guys lost too.

There are no real absolutes in the game just some general rules of thumb.

Red boy dogs are suppose to be long winded and game. Some red boy dogs bite shit in half and check up in 30 minutes in. Some red boy dogs are extremely athletic with a ton of brains and others could not poor piss out of a boot with instructions on the bottom. All these attributes could very well be within the same litter to varying degrees depending on the individual dog. Seeing the individual dog and what he possesses is the reason for looking, not necessarily to skull drag or game check or whatever the terms people choose to use.

Best of luck. EWO

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Originally Posted by Acesaun

Thanks gentalman, I always had that mentality of not really caring how it's breed but cared more on how it works, you know with my experience in theses dogs it can be a lil complex when you have someone who's been in this life style for decades tell you other than what you believe. Thanks again guys....

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