Black widow, the power behind the throne and old ways

[Frank43]

This is my second time typing this. Here we go again.

I have a friend. Surprise. Some people other than my dogs like me. This friend and I argue or discuss probably the oldest arguments in bulldogs. I say family breeding. He says outcross. I say game red dogs.He says black dogs mouth mouth. I say red dog. He says black dog. It goes over and over like this until the world proves that I am right. There is no way under the sun I could ever be wrong about anything. It's like the Pope and God. I am infallible. Those are attempts at jokes.

I like studying pedigrees. I used to be good a calculus and stuff in school so I like formulas. I like playing football so I like athletics. There is not more athletic dog than a APBT. If you don't have tons of money or metaphorical knee pads I guess you have to cook your own pies. So, I study pedigrees.

I was looking at Ferguson's centipede. He is in the pedigree of one of my females. I look the breedings they made with these dogs. And try to see why they did what. Hopefully it will help me get what i need to make my all time dog.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=1738 Looks like my clo dog. Good back end the way he's standing with those straight for legs. There is something truly beautiful about looking at a well built gamedog.

We start to look thorough the offspring and you see a double bred son that won 8.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=5049

Trace dog down more and we see they inbred tight of centipede. I can hear my dad now. INBREED! Yes inbreed. Dogs have a lot more genes than we do and nature has built in ways to with propagating founder genes and purging genes in nature. I strong wolf will survive to breed his daughters after taking over a pack. I digress. Maybe ill write on things old timers did and the science behind them.

They inbred further on centipede. They bred this red okie dog who was a combination triple cross and double cross on centipede.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=3118

We skip down the line to his granddaughter who is none other than carvers black widows mother.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum....php?dog_id=43

Basically without centipede and the lightner dogs in black widows mother you couldn't have had carvers black widow. To my friend. Red dogs made black dogs.

From my recent experience with red boy dogs. If you know what you're looking for you can have a 1/4 redboy in a dog and they scream and work like redboy dogs. Ferguson's centipede made black widow. Without black widow pretty much wipe out most good lines of bulldogs. No chinaman etc.

More of old guys and tight breeding.

When i was in college i remember someone bought a dog for 10k dollars. 10k was a lot of money back then probably like 20 now. You could get gas for 89 cents a gallon. I used to keep computer printouts of this dog on my notebooks for school. I had to customize everything i had. Buy a trapper keeper with a clear cover. Go print BBC Ch bullet, PawPaw and Bullet. I said bullet twice. I liked how that dog looked. He perfect to me.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=23387

Beautifully bred dog. Let's look at his grandad. His dad made rom and threw what was the longest gamest female. Here's Hughes Dusty. No titles. What you mean no titles. You can't breed a dog without a tittle they say. He not a champion. I can tell you this. He's super tight bred on yellow john. Red boys hardest biting son. Yellow John was super tight bred on redboy.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=2891

Triple cross yellow john stud. Double cross female with an out. All that to make this dog.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=2866

There's something about the color of those dogs. It's buckskin but it's different.

What's the point of all this. I like pedigree research. I like learning ways to make what i like. I don't think everything in the past was great. Or everything now is great. Hell my dad hates inbreeding. I used it as a tool. He also asked me to buy him a lawn mower. Why does he need a lawn mower? He listened to all these clean energy fools and bought an electric mower. The battery is too weak to cut the grass and won't hold a charge. Last time i went over there i could barely make it to the back yard to see my stoic dog. I build of people who were successful in the past. And combine that with new things. I'm not abandoning linebreeding and family breeding for the "new thing" hybrid vigor that is sweeping through the dog and cattle industry. You can find healthy vigorous individuals and breed around them. Add blood as you need to and monitor for diseases. The life of a game dog has never been easy. If they survive and thrive they are vigorous specimens.

Hopefully no owners of black dogs were offended. If they were. So what.

[TrailerTrash]

Well I just looked quick at the pedigree and believe it to be made up of old Feeley and Colby Paddy dogs . Those dogs came over from Ireland on the same boat . Dibo many considered a Feeley dog with Colby Paddy blood if I remember right . Thats why Norrod liked Boze so much , that old Red Devil and Corvino blood is the same blood that predates the registry , real old box blood from Ireland . So you see them still using it as a cross if Im correct in my study . I could be way off . Floyd said his favoute cross was into Red Devil as well I read . Adding hybred vigiour but staying within the same family .....Im stoned lol

[Frank43]

I love studying that old stuff. It's crazy how much centipede looks like some of these dogs. I have never had dangerous pits that I had or worry about biting me or someone else. Hemphill had that thing where he talked about the temperaments of his dogs. Mine were always like that. My dog off paw paw and my current dogs. I believe redboy had a good amount in him. I have always preferred red over black. One reason I have a hard time leaving these dogs. They are like a history book. Plus never knew there was red in and behind black widow.

[TrailerTrash]

Not sure where the dangerous pits came from , surely not the Red Devil blood . Mike mentioned Maude which was Hemphill would take someones hand off ! Mike never released the Red Devil pure to many for other reasons which he shared on another orum years ago . People like to say his dogs were man ighters for some reason but show me one . I can show Hemphill and Colby man fighters though .

[TrailerTrash]

This is why I don't allow them released to the general public anymore because they are to fight crazy at an early age and can be bred to anything, straight , or crossed and produce winners . I have less then 15 "Pure Straight Blood" left because I don't need that many to have top quality of dogs ! The percentages are that high . Most of the time I had to seperate them at 6 weeks and still do . F;ck,fight, or hold the light, they wanna be where the action is ! I can't help the fact you are a novice pet owner who can't give direction for dogs of this kind of prey drive . - Iron Mike

[Frank43]

I know. They aren't for the public. Too much dog for most people

[TrailerTrash]

It sounds like a sales pitch but I had to seperate mine at 7 weeks and had to take back a pup from an owner . The pup was 8 months old and too much dog for them . This person had owned the breed for 20 years . I dont sell dogs so this is not a pitch .

[Frank43]

I know what you mean. They are like this curse or something. You have them. They are great. You don't want to sell them. You have to deal with the headache of owning a pit. I want to see how breedings go. Other day a lady in the pet store was like,"I like smart dogs." This guy had a rescue pit. " I like in my head. This is too much dog for you. I have breedings and a family I want to build. I don't want the dogs out. Hard to explain

[Frank43]

As to early separation thing. I don't make much out of it. I actually prefer ones that take longer. Those early ones seem dumber on average.

[TrailerTrash]

As to not selling dogs . My family has never sold a dog since 1884 , first documented proof of ownership of the breed with in my family. My family is Irish Gypsy and believe it to be bad luck . I can put you in touch with dogmen who own my stock if you want their take lol The Red Devil dogs are smart , not dumb like Red Boy stock Mike mixed in . They are firing on all cylinders though when mixed with the Busenbark blood as soon as the air hits the lungs ! Last one I kept that came on biting everything , ya I dont like waiting . Some people like dogs that move like old people fucking . Not me .