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    Combat Dogs & Children?

    I know most people think pit bulls should have "great temperaments," I certainly do, but how does this apply with children?

    I personally have never felt it is an entirely good idea to have any bulldog alone with children, no matter how seemingly-sweet the dog is, especially with very small children. The fact is, all dogs are predators, and a pit bull is nothing but a highly-specialized predator designed to dispatch smaller animals and even be able to attack and control very large animals. And, while I do believe that the breed should be (and most often is) "people friendly" ... I am not sure this always spills over to children.

    From a dog's point of view, children are small, squeaky, erratic creatures compared to adults. Where a bulldog looks "up" to an adult man or woman, it looks "down" on a very small, squeaky child. I believe sometimes it is very dangerous to leave any baby or toddler alone with a bulldog, especially if the bulldog was not used to a baby in the house ... and suddenly one day a new child is brought into the house. Lots of utterly clueless new parents have discovered to their horror what can happen in these instances.

    And, even in a case where a seemingly sweet dog that's "good with kids" is enjoyed by a family ... what if one day A CAT is at the window, and the dog goes apeshit after the cat, and a little boy or girl tries to grab the now-geeked-up bulldog? What happens then? :shock:

    Hell, I have been bit by my own dogs in the corner a time or two, dogs that were normally friendly, but who (now that they're geeked-up and wanting to scratch back) will do "whatever it takes" to be released and go back into an opponent. Red Sonja in particular comes to mind. Here was a bitch who was as sweet as a dog could be to people. Loved children and would snuggle up to them. But, if Red Sonja ever made contact with another animal, or got geeked-up over a flirt pole or hide, "the whole moving world" became fair game: your hands, your legs, a rake, whatever was a'movin' she was a'grabbin' Red Sonja would even grab the pit wall or carpet when she was geeked-up in the corner and would have to be pried-off with a stick. Her eyes would get big and round, like she was in some kind of euphoric trance once she was "on," and I sure as hell would hate to see what she might do to a little boy or girl who tried to "play ball" with her :shock: And yet there was not a drop of "meanness" in what she was doing: she was happy as hell.

    So, as an offshoot of the "human aggressive" pit bull, the man-killer, what about the normally-sweet dog that loses all ability to reason once it's "on"? I know A LOT of pit dogs are like this, sweet under every "normal" instance, and yet wildly-intense once they're "on," so is it really such a good idea to leave these dogs alone with kids? Because, again, I can think of a lot of dogs, that aren't true man-killers ... that even LOVE children under controlled conditions ... that I would still never leave alone with any child, never in a million years, because IF they get "geeked-up" ... then they are as dangerous to a child as any mankiller, without actually being a mean dog.

    How do you judge a dog like that, whose natural temperament is to be sweet and calm, but whose "combat intensity" is so great, that once triggered it doesn't come with an "off switch", and so they will indiscriminately grab "whatever's moving" once they get in that zone???

    Should dogs like this be culled too ... or should they be treasured (and just kept away from kids)?

    Jack

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    My daughters spending quality time the with dogs. I can honestly say I trust my dogs more than people, I do also believe no child should be left with a dog unattended. JMO





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    Nice photos. You can see in their eyes and body language that those dogs are being extra mellow with the children

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    I could go on and on with this one...lol both my kids, 15 and 8, have been raised around working dogs their whole lives. Socialization is the biggest factor when kids are involved. Both dogs and children have to be taught how to behave around each other... Dogs are individuals just like people. Some love kids, some tolerate kids and some do not do so well around kids. I'm my expierence, ones raised around kids tend to be more accepting of them.

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    Great post

    I have 3 yound children who spoke there first word and took there first step with a bulldog beside them. I will not own a human aggresive hound i don't knock others for doing so whatever floats your boat. My chain area is fenced off from the family's yard and my children know they are not to go in there without my consent. Even a friendly bulldog that just wants to play can seriously injure or kill a small child with its chain. There is nothing wrong with involving your children with these hounds but pls set measures in place even if you don't have children take steps to prevent the unthinkable. There is no hound worth a childs life no amount of money is to much to ensure a childs safety.

    RoughNeck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliman View Post
    Great post

    I have 3 yound children who spoke there first word and took there first step with a bulldog beside them. I will not own a human aggresive hound i don't knock others for doing so whatever floats your boat. My chain area is fenced off from the family's yard and my children know they are not to go in there without my consent. Even a friendly bulldog that just wants to play can seriously injure or kill a small child with its chain. There is nothing wrong with involving your children with these hounds but pls set measures in place even if you don't have children take steps to prevent the unthinkable. There is no hound worth a childs life no amount of money is to much to ensure a childs safety.

    RoughNeck

    Very good post. Thats why I like this forum, intelligent, monitored, good dogmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
    Very good post. Thats why I like this forum, intelligent, monitored, good dogmen.
    That was a great post. Very well spoken and 100% the truth.

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    Ditto that. I enjoy the exchanges as much as any. EWO



    Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
    Very good post. Thats why I like this forum, intelligent, monitored, good dogmen.

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    Great topic. I too raised my son with the dogs and made the choice he was never alone with him. Some would have more than likely been fine and with some of the high strung dogs it would have been a nightmare waiting to happen. So when he was small he only interacted with the puppies and young dogs. Once a dog started up or acted like he was ready to start I didn't let the two interact. My best guess is all would have been fine but it was a gamble I could not take. We had a dog once that made Ch. and he was as friendly a dog as any out there. An absolute easy keeper, never had any inclination he was a bulldog except for when he saw the box. Then he was a complete nut job. Plain stupid fight crazy. We had him in the box one day weighing him, getting ready to feed him. He was all jacked up. I dropped some screws on the floor and went down on all fours to pick them up. He turned around from whatever had his attention. Although I am 6'4" and 275lbs. and should be an imposing figure to a 45lb. dog all he saw was something across the pit on all fours. He scratched. If my partner hadn't been here I would have been curred out, and since he didn't make it all the way I can say I was picked up game. LOL.
    But anyway, if that had been a child with a geeked up dog it could have been really bad.

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    Great pics AGK

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