I read a thread here about drying one out with dex. Since I prefer to keep things natural, I was wondering if anyone had any methods of doing so all natural. What are good ways of rubbing one down to help with expelling excess water.
Thanks in advance!
A dog rids itself of excess water simply because of that. It's excess. Rubbing one down won't contribute to the urination. If the dog doesn't have enough water, there won't be any excess to essentially urinate. If your dog isn't getting enough water throughout his keep, you won't be able to pull any excess of him. The body will hold onto the water it has instead of ridding itself of the water. You essentially have to hyperhydrate your dog to do what you're asking.
Well the last one i showed i pretty much followed the process you laid out in the "drying without dex" thread(or atleast i think that was the name of it). Where you stated you gave about an ounce per lb of body weight of fluids. Then if im not mistaken you said you controlled water intake last few days. I tried this and couldnt get the water off. So 4 hours before the show i hit him with 1cc of dex (following some advice) he came in on weight but he was only 7 ounces over at that time. So he had plenty of time to urinate more on walks. Anyway the result was a 3 hour loss. All of the mouth i saw in schooling was gone at the show. Some say dex played a role in this, idk as i have no proof of that, but he also wasnt as tenacious as he usually is. I'll chunk the loss up to me not doing my job as he showed all the heart in the world.
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It's a learning process. The first time I tried it, I couldn't get the water off either. It has a learning curve to it in order to do it for most people. It does work and no dex is needed. I don't even remember the last time dex was used to pull excess water of an animal. I can tell you this. Dex has nothing to do with losing mouth, and the same goes for being tenacious. Sometimes, you simply run into a better dog, or one as good, as it seems to be evidenced by a three hour loss.Originally Posted by Loki
I wouldnt say he was better but i will say he was in better shape! You are probably correct about the dex not having anythign to do with loss of mouth but i have seen this animal punish hogs when he hits his spots and during the show he reached those spots but showed very little mouth. He did some damage but not what i was used to. Probably had more to do with shaping or wrong weight. I have no problem taking the blame for what could have been my fault. One thing for sure is both was game and if i ever had to take a loss it would be in this fashion.
For your method do you look for some sort of skin count? This hound was hard for me to figure out. He didnt like to work, AT ALL! Used alot of e-mill on him and walks. Feed consisted of lots of raw chicken which i know contains lots of water. So when it comes time to tweak water intake, should i adjust his raw intake?
Thanks for all the helpful responses. Knowledge is power and this site has plenty of it!
I personally saw this bitch, The Mason's Aurora, totally turned to shit in her match, by being mainlined solu-delta cortef 5 min before the show. Her genius owners thought this would be a good thing to do, despite my suggestions to the contrary, and she was totally zoned out, off-timing, ran hot and quit in like :30 (where, pulled off the chain, she was a freak of nature: strong, fast, devastating).
You can "say" the other dog was better, if you want to, but the other dog wasn't shit.
Aurora was simply totally affected by the drug they put in her veins, and it cost her the match, and it cost her her life.
Drugs REALLY CAN make dogs "feel weird," same as they can make people feel weird, and so to deny this fact isn't being very accurate IMO.
Jack
I dont like to make excuses, i have accepted my fate in that show but now that you have said this i feel more confident that dex played a negative role in the bout. It definitely didnt have as devastating effects as the ones you have mentioned but did have effects none the less.
Agreed!
He tried to drink the water when he was being washed. He shouldnt have been thirsty as he hadnt been consuming water i had left for him in the days leading up to the show, nor did he drink the night before. To think that he bulldogged through any of those side effects sickens me that i didnt pick him up sooner...Some side effects of dexamethasone include:
Headache, dizziness (spinning sensation), low potassium (confusion, extreme thurst, muscle weakness, uneven heart rate), low blood pressure (buzzing in ears, headache, confusion, shortness of breath, seizure, anxiety) etc.
Each individual dog will react differently one can not rule out the possibility of dex contributing negatively to an individual dogs performance.
This is why it is important to know how this will effect your charge beforehand
In this case only a single cc was administered 4 hours before the show. Which imo wasnt needed but you live and learn...
If you go back to normal 3 days out and you stay on same food you should go down. I try to be spot on a week out, than up the food when i start cutting back water to normal, cause i know weight will drop some. So don't know what went wrong or what it is that you wanted to achieve? By giving that much water in training, there is no water retention(not the other way around) and most excessive water will just be pissed out within 24 houres. Maybe you expected the dog to lose more.
How much water did you give when u started cutting back, and how much overweight were u when u started cutting it back?
The term drying out sounds kind of creepy. If you draw out water from your dog's muscles so do you draw out crucial electrolytes.
I fight mma and Thai boxing, our New trainer will not let us dry out. (No sauna or sweat suits) He is a nutritionist and controls our weights with purely diet. The results, we still come in on weight and I honestly feel better and stronger the day of competition with less fatigue during. I'm hoping to hear Jack's response to this question.... Will this have the same effect on dogs? If not, then why not?
A dog weighs in the same day as a show, it's completely different to martial arts.
In Thai boxing, mma and boxing you weigh in 24 hours before a fight, the idea of drying yourself out and sweat training is so you usually fight at a lighter natural weight because you have 24 hours to rehydrate, if your doing your cut through diet and not cutting water then the thing you face is the strong possibility of fighting a bigger man. I'm Thai boxing and mma this wasn't a huge deal as guys didn't really know much about cutting weight but in later years the mma guys have really caught on which is why you have huge guys at the weight. In boxing you just wouldn't have ever got away with it because the professional edge of the sport had the athletes way more advanced.
The reason you way in 24 hours in advance is for fighter safety around dehydration.
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