Has anyone ever heard of this food? Is it any good?
https://sportdogfood.com/elite-grain...yABEgLYD_D_BwE
Has anyone ever heard of this food? Is it any good?
https://sportdogfood.com/elite-grain...yABEgLYD_D_BwE
I'm not much on feeding fish when working a dog really hard.
The few times I tried to use a feed with fish as a main ingredient the dogs ran hot. It took a couple of times before I narrowed it down to the fish made feed.
Off season it is a good source of nutrient dense protein.
I'd be looking for more fat and less protein that what this bag advertises.
EWO
funny EWO, Im the opposite, i only feed fish when they're getting worked hard, i find their less likely to run hot on the fish diet and i cut red meat out because i though it was a contributing factor too running hotOriginally Posted by EWO
Misfit. Read Ca Jack's Blog on Kibble feeds. The moisture may be to low on this feed. With it's main source of Protein being Fish. Could be very hard on a dog's kidneys with such a low moisture content. Especially in the hotter parts of the country.
Chicken meat and Chicken fat has proven to be the better protein and fat source over all for our breed of dogs. Much Easier on the kidneys. Especially in the warmer climate areas.
Now way up North and into Canada may be a different story. If you watch how that dog sled person, feeds his sled dogs on that Zero Below series. He still uses a lot of fluids in his feed. Dogs look like they are eating Fish soup with kibble thrown in.
J. Crenshaw and V. Jackson both used Chicken meat as the main protein source. I like the way V.J. did it with Chicken necks and Chicken backs. This way you got enough meat protein in balance with the natural bone protein and Chicken fat from the skin off the backs. He used only the amount of kibble feed that kept the dog on show weight in the pre keep.
In hot weather a lower protein/fat kibble was used and in cold weather a higher protein/fat kibble was used. Were still a Chicken based kibble.
During the pre keep V.J reduced the dog on the kibble with his added supplements. Dog was wormed out during this time period also. When dog was on weight, feeling good, match was made. One chicken neck and back was added with enough of the chicken broth to cover kibble. Then the hard work began. Dog was kept on weight by adding more necks and backs with added broth in the feed. No added kibble. This was closer to what many call a raw diet.
J. Crenshaw in the main phase of the keep used the kibble to maintain the body weight. I do not believe he increased his amount of Chicken meat. He tells all this on the video on the You tube.
J. Crenshaw used the Chicken meat taken off the bone and fed in what he considered the required amount of chicken meat for that particular dog. He maintain the weight of the dog by adding the Purina Pro kibble as needed. I am pretty sure that the majority of what Purina used for Protein in their feed formula was a lot of bone meal.
If you try to add too much water to this Fish meal Kibble. It will dilute the vitamin/mineral formula etc.. Some things in feeding may have improved some what. Still a dog is a dog and the basics of what they eat have not changed over all.
When some one asks me about conditioning dogs. I first ask them where and what part of the country do you live in? How many free hours in a day do you have to spend working a dog. How much privacy do you have? That has a big bearing on everything. Especially today. Cheers
Great info EWO, I like to supplement with various types of fish but only a couple times a week.
What about oils, do you use fish oil?
This feed reads great, and I bet it's very good quality. I have to agree with EWO on too high protein in dog feed, it tends to work the kidneys harder and you'll get dehydrated easier I've noticed.
Overall I'd feed some of these formulas, the food has great ingredients.
S_B
I prefer chicken and chicken fat as a primary but use beef fat as well.
One of the red meats that I do like is cow cheek. It is not all that popular in stores. It is a really fatty cut of red meat. It works well.
EWO
I've heard of cow cheek also pork cheeks but never saw it offered for sale, at the slaughterhouse I use. Would this be a cut that's usually disregarded or a select cut.
LOYALTY BEFORE ROYALTY !!!
Great info CYJ, I too have noticed fish formula kibble to be dryer than chicken.
What about red meat, what do you feel about it as a protein and fat source?
S_B
One thing I learned from my mistakes and from finally taking some good advice from Vernon. You see for awhile I was trying V.J's ways and reading all sorts of dog nutrition books to boot. What I started too doing was trying to make things ten times better. LOL
There are many ways of doing something and the simpler one keeps it. The easier it is to solve a problem when one occurs. V.J's. feed method/times of feeding and pointing a dog the last three days was the easiest and simplest way I had saw or read about. Mayfield's way though not incorrect would be a tedious nightmare to me.
Unfortunately I was not a Master Staff Sargent and had a gang of young marines to help me. I did not have enough hours in the day and access to long soft back roads to work dogs. I knew I had to try a different approach and went with a large building and a extra large low to the ground running round table. Things started looking much better and everything got much easier.The way I worked a dog near the end of my time in the dogs. I was hitting all around it, but knew something was missing.
Was what EWO had learned from watching his son train for collegiate wrestling. The Karate and other type martial arts fighters had to learn this type training, when they got involved with Cage fighting. Thinking they were in top condition were getting their asses handed to them in short order.
That info. shared by EWO, hit me like a ton of bricks. I was thirty years to late. LOL In return I encouraged him to at some time build a extra big (16 FT To 20 FT) across round table out of the weather. That will not bounce and running at knee level when sitting in a chair close to dog.
When one can work a dog and it can grab and drive it's opponent back into it's corner and pound on it like Mr. T pounded Rocky in their first bout with no let up. That is indeed some great conditioning. LOL Cheers
Sorry Misfit, for getting off subject. With any of those better formula dog foods. If it has a high protein source especially fish based. Check the moisture content. I believe you want at least around 12 percent moisture. Reason those Fish based kibbles and some others have such lower moisture contents. Is to give the feed more shelf life. More moisture, the sooner it may spoil on the shelf or grow some sort of fungus among us. LOL
The amount of Ash may have some bearing as well. Not sure if Ca Jack mentioned that in that blog. I think to much ash or not enough is bad for cats. That the ash content is what makes cat food bad to feed dogs. Not sure about all that anymore. If wrong I stand corrected. Cheers
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