Why Do So Many People Get it WRONG?

[Officially Retired]

Sorry to be negative, but this game has to have the dumbest people in it on the planet.

The confusion as to the color black (and a red nose) is absolutely astounding to me.

Folks, if your dog is NOT black ... he will not THROW black. (The only "exception" to this is if the dog is chocolate, which is a dilution of black.)

People always confuse dominant and recessive, to the point of retardation

It is very simple: black is dominant / red is recessive.

If you have a red dog that means he has LOST the black gene and canNOT throw black. Only way to get a black dog from a red dog is to breed the red to a black.

If the black gene is in there, the dog will BE black. If the dog is NOT black, he has NO black gene.

It is only the red gene which, being recessive, can all of a sudden pop back up out of nowhere, if it happens to align with another recessive (and therefore hidden) red gene. NOT the black gene. If the black gene is there, then it shows itself regardless of any other gene being present. That is why it is CALLED "dominant."

Pardon me for the outburst, but I just had to have a morning rant after reading several pages of utter ignorance on another forum

Jack

[act284]

What about nose color?

[bulldogsrus]

I thought it was about nose colour.

I always found this interesting reading :

http://www.adbadog.com/p_pdetails.asp?fspid=101

[Officially Retired]

Same deal.

[gabbagabbahey]

Jack,am i not right in believing blue also to be a dilution of black & therefore can produce black ?

[Officially Retired]

Not exactly sure on blue, but you may well be right. I know chocolate and seal are like that.

What I do know is, because black is dominant, if it is present in the dog then it is physically expressed, meaning the animal is black (even seal and chocolate are forms of expression, albeit diluted).

If the color black is not expressed, then it has been lost. This can happen if a black dog with a recessive gene mates with a red/buckskin dog with a recessive gene, and the recessive genes are what pass on to the pups. In this case, the black is lost and only then can the recessive color traits be expressed.

Jack

[gabbagabbahey]

I asked a more educated man a long time ago why is blue seen in such quantity in a working staffordshire bull terrier line. I thought maybe another breed brought this to the fold & it was hushed up. Anyway he told me that blue is a dilution of black & it is caused by a lack of "Menalin".
When i thought on it,i bred a black dog out of a blue sire x white & red dam. The dam having no black dogs in at least 5gen if not more. In truth the same could be said of the sire.
Any opinion on the lack of menalin,Jack ?

[Officially Retired]

Melanin is what I think you're referring to do, and it has something to do with dark pigment.

In humans, when a mole on the skin becomes cancerous, it is called a "melanoma" and moles themselves have something to do with "melanin" ... but the exact science behind it is not something I've studied to any extent.

Hope this helps ... a little

Jack

[gabbagabbahey]

Thank you for the reply.

[tasoschatz]

The gene that produces the dilution of a color can be found also in animals with beize color etc. The major colors suppose to be black and brown and all the others different shades of these two. So it is possible from a breeding between a black dog and a beize one to get some grey color pups, I have seen it happen quite often actually, but it seems to happen somewhat selectively, some dogs produce grey, some seal and some nothing from the above. The same gene also produces blue eyes, the ice colored ones.
I have got the above info from Great Danes' sites, all these "more official and historically followed" breeds do provide good info on such matters due to acquired for hundrends of years data.