scatter bred v's line bred

[pig mad]

Whats everyones opinions on this?

If you just bred best to best are you always going to get hybrid vigour?

I been told first cross makes best battle dogs?

I been getting help off a fella to get started but once you look at his peds they all scatter bred dogs everything i read makes me dodge scatter breeding.
I am no breeder just interested on thoughts and experiances.
From what i see scatter bred will battle but not produce and if thats right why has this fella been breeding that way for 20 years??

[OGDOGG]

First, you have to look at his track record. Then you look at his opponents. Are they top notch bulldogs?
What I noticed with scattered bred dogs are, they tend to attack everywhere, chest, shoulders, legs. Wherever they can put their mouth on. The good trait they seem to possess is mouth. My hardest biting dogs I have or had in the past were scattered bred dogs. But one trait I didn't like about them was their style. Against other scattered bred dogs they were unstoppable but against a well bred dog, they don't have a chance. I also notice that if you breed scattered bred dogs, you will never know what you'll get. It's like the roll of the dice. It takes too long just to establish a good line with scattered bred dogs.

[pig mad]

His track record is not good i have some good line bred dogs i will stick to what i think is right..

[Black Hand]

There will not be much uniformity with scatter breeding.

If you just bred best to best are you always going to get hybrid vigour?

If you are just breeding best to best there will be no hybrid vigor.
They will not really be hybrids after the first and second cross IMO
You want to concentrate the gene pool and then provide an outcross when necessary.
the new blood into your gene pool is what will provide the hybrid vigor.

This doesn't mean the damage is done though just cuz your good dog is outcrossed to hell.
You can build uniformity and get what you are looking for threw selective breeding.
Your numbers just wont be the same at first... or maybe they will.
Its no telling if a dog will produce himself or not regardless of what the paper says.

Its a gamble either way, your odds are just better with different scenarios.

[pig mad]

Thanks for that.
I just put 1 of his dogs over my bitch she was an out cross his was solid redboy on the bottom but scattered on top she had the pups last night i am thinking of keeping 1 at worst it will make a good pig dog but thought it may mix well with my line bred jeep male if she turns out good. Just the scatter breeding on top made me worry..

[Black Hand]

Thanks for that.
I just put 1 of his dogs over my bitch she was an out cross his was solid redboy on the bottom but scattered on top she had the pups last night i am thinking of keeping 1 at worst it will make a good pig dog but thought it may mix well with my line bred jeep male if she turns out good. Just the scatter breeding on top made me worry..

No worries. Ideally most would want to use anther inbred dog as an outcross to their linebred dog. But i do not know how much of a difference it makes if it is just being used as an out. Someone with more breeding experience than me might have a better idea. but m uneducated guess would be your scatterbred dog crossed to a linebred dog will add similiar vigor you are looking for when doing a 50/50 cross.

[Officially Retired]

There will not be much uniformity with scatter breeding.

True.

If you just bred best to best are you always going to get hybrid vigour?
If you are just breeding best to best there will be no hybrid vigor.
They will not really be hybrids after the first and second cross IMO

If there is no regard for consistency, you may (or may not) get hybrid vigor, but you can't do so dependably.

Just because there is a "cross" doesn't mean anything meaningful will obtain as far as "vigor" goes. Some of the lamest bums I have ever seen were "straight crosses"

Some of the best, strongest, most intelligent, and most intense animals I have ever seen have been INbred ... on the right dogs

You want to concentrate the gene pool and then provide an outcross when necessary.
the new blood into your gene pool is what will provide the hybrid vigor.

If you inbreed on the right dogs, you will not need a cross

This doesn't mean the damage is done though just cuz your good dog is outcrossed to hell.
You can build uniformity and get what you are looking for threw selective breeding.
Your numbers just wont be the same at first... or maybe they will.

True, some outcrosses just "click" ... and they work well in high-percentage ... and when "that" happens, you have the makings of a whole new potential bloodline and breeding effort

Its no telling if a dog will produce himself or not regardless of what the paper says.

The only way to tell if a dog can produce is to breed it ... and to breed it enough different ways to see if there is a pattern and dependable prepotency that can be established ... which means the young have to be allowed to mature and be evaluated. This process can take up to 5 years to bloom, and many people make their decisions too quickly, either way, based on just the first few pups. Only enough variety, and the light of Time's perspective, can say for sure.

Its a gamble either way, your odds are just better with different scenarios.

I hear this all the time and, well, if breeding is "just a gamble" ... then scatterbreeding is playing with an unknown deck in someone else's house ... while linebreeding on the right dogs is stacking your own deck and counting your own cards in familiar territory

Jack

[CRISIS]

I hear this all the time and, well, if breeding is "just a gamble" ... then scatterbreeding is playing with an unknown deck in someone else's house ... while linebreeding on the right dogs is stacking your own deck and counting your own cards in familiar territory

Jack

ive been searching for an anology like that to describe this situation for the longest!..............dont be surprised if you hear that again someday jack cuz im bout to steal that shit!!! LOL

[FarmersChoice]

well i was once told all blood lines suck or all blood lines can produce good dogs i think when we talk scatter bred and line bred most dont even no what that means line bred is on a single dog or a single family related to a few special related dogs any way i run my own line now of about 4 different lines and used family related dogs now i am just getting it down and have many years of proving grounds to go but i have a good group guys helping me with my line as well anyway these dogs are all related some were usually i would focus on what ever dogs u like and make your own path with out reinventing the wheel so to speak alot good dogs might be looked at as scater bred but are actually line bred on certain good dogs or dog that the individual breeding the dogs up might find he liked or is working for them some my best ogs were 3 way crosses or 4 way but that dont mean nothing u have to go threw every breeding with a strict culling process involved that doesnt mean u have to put own all those that dont make it just make sure u dont breed it or let some one else now these are just the way i deem things breedings alot luck do what u can to have the best odds like poker

[pig mad]

If i keep a bitch and she turns out good i can breed her back to this guy

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...reeding_id=122

he is a red hot young dog always looking for trouble at 7 months old and he is hard to get off when shit hits the fan he loves it