Bass' Tramp Red Boy (Wendell Martin's)

[CYJ]

I never met Mr. Mc'Cloud or saw his bitch dog Mc'Cloud's Susie-Q. Mr. Mc'Cloud was the breeder of the litter of dogs that the Bass' Tramp Red Boy was bred out of. Mr. Mc'Cloud lived in Florence S.C. Mr. Mc'Cloud advertised his Pit Bull pups for sale through the Florence Morning News Paper Sales Ads. Even today time to time you will see Pit Bull pups for sale in the Sales Ads along with other breeds of dogs.

Tramp Red Boy was first owned as a puppy till up around 14 to 16 months old by W. Martin who lived in Dillon S.C. Some of Tramp Red Boy's male siblings out of that litter were named Louis Miles' Bouncer/Ford's Blaze/Lindsey Mc'Dougal's Happy/and Mr. Howard Teal's Mike, some called this dog Big Mac. Lastly Theo Hendrix' Sandy dog. There was one bitch I knew of owned by Louis Miles. Miles put this bitch down at a young age as it was a cold bitch. If any other females I do not know.

Tramp Red Boy/Ford's Blaze Dog/and Teal's Mike were larger dogs with Big Mac being the largest. Bouncer, Happy, and Sandy were around 45 pound dogs with the rest around 58 to 65 pound dogs. Tramp Red Boy was matched at 52 pounds.

Bouncer was a tiger brindle/black nose dog. Ford's Blaze dog was a reddish tan with black nose. Mc'Dougal's Happy was a light reddish tan dog with red nose/yellow eyes. Hendrix' Sandy was a light reddish tan with red nose/yellow eyes. Mr. Howard Teal's Big Mac was a dark brown dog with a black nose and was undershot with a more Bulldog looking head. Tramp Red Boy was red with red nose and yellow eyes. Red Boy, Happy and Sandy looked more a like.

W. Martin had a yard of dogs bred off the Loposay's Bullet II dogs and some Loposay Carver's Tiger Jack breeding. Martin sold Red Boy to Randy Bass. Martin later on sold his Martin's Lady bitch to A. Howell, along with a young male dog off Loposay's Tiger Jack x Loposay's Beanie called Buckshot.

You will find the Martin's Lady bitch in the breeding of Ray Carter's Blackie dog that helped found F. Jacob's Assassin line of dogs. A breeding off Howell's Buckshot dog x Martin's Lady can be seen in the Snake man and Fat Bill dogs.

The Martin's Lady bitch was also bred to Tramp Red Boy when Wendell still owned Red Boy. My brother owned one of the bitches named Young's Liz and Rowell had a male named Ringo. Both dogs were black and white, had good mouths and showed to be game dogs. Wendell bred Tramp Red boy to some of his other bitches but do not know anything of those dogs or breeding. Lot of dog men back then did not register their dogs. Just kept their own personal records.

All of these dogs that Mr. Mc'Cloud bred were U.K.C. registered. The papers shown on Louis Miles' Bouncer dog read the same as the pedigree shown on this site and others on Bass' Tramp Red Boy. I did not look at any of the other dog men's pedigrees,since all the owners knew their dogs were bred off Mr. Teal's yard. The Big Mac or Mike dog was probably the stud fee pup that was given to Mr. Teal for breeding the Mc'Cloud's Susie-Q bitch. This Susie-Q bitch was also shown bred off Mr. Teal's yard.

Katie Marlowe later became a dog partner with Bass,when he died she became the sole owner of Red Boy and the remaining dogs they had bred up. There were some breeding's off Red Boy and Bass's Cleo that Bass made. Bass sold some of those young pups and dogs to other dog men in his area. One notable dog man who got some of the older Bass Red Boy x Bass' Cleo stock was Mr. Carl Mims.

I can not remember his name. But there was one dog man that lived close to Bass in Dillon S.C. This dog man had some direct dogs off Red Boy and Cleo. Some were black colored like Cleo with black noses, body builds like the Marlowe's Britches dog. Were also a few red nose red dogs. Not sure where all this dog man's dogs went too after he got out of the game.

Katie Marlowe is one of the main founders of the Tramp Red Boy line of dogs. She line bred and inbred off Red Boy till late into Red Boy's life. Red Boy lived to a ripe ole age for a Bulldog. All of the rumor's of Red Boy's breeding were the same ones I heard forty years ago. Only two people know for sure and that was Mr.Teal and Mr. Mc'Cloud. No one disputed the Dam of Red Boy or the Mc'Cloud's Susie Q's breeding. The question and mystery was always who was the actual Sire of the Bass' Tramp Red Boy dog.

It may have been Rowell that was one of the last persons that visited Mr. Teal at the hospital or at his home not long before he passed. I was told Mr. Teal was again asked if he knew the breeding of the stud dog. That was the sire of the Bass' Tramp Red Boy and it's siblings litter. Mr. Teal's reply was the stud dog was bred down from the Ross' Red Devil bloodline.

It is best to just accept the fact that the Tramp Red Boy line began with Katie Marlowe and her breeding around Bass' Tramp Red Boy. I think she did a great job myself. Was right up there with the rest of the famous Male Dog men breeders of her time. Other Red Boy breeders like Mr. Mims/Hunt/Robinson/Gainey/Truett/Cottingham/Holland/ Bailey etc. did well with their own Red Boy strains and their crosses.

Katie's son Bo told me a few weeks back they had sold off their yard years back. That the remaining Red Boy dogs on their yard went to a dog man in Tenn., who wishes to remain private. There is one dog man that called me just this past week. He still has some tight bred Red Boy dogs off Marlowe's Chance/Mr. Bulldog/and Britches. He has over the years used his Red Boy/ Red Boy-Jocko crosses with some Garner's China Man/Mr. Wesley Truett's Prince dogs with good results. He wishes to remain unknown and was wanting some of V. Jackson's blood line to cross back into for some different pulling traits.

After reading some of those Red Boy stories over on the other site. I hope this clears up some of the mystery and mystique on Tramp Red Boy for some of the new comers. Marlowe's Tramp Red Boy/V. Jackson's Hank/William Kelley's Willie were the popular stud dogs in the Pee Dee area of the South East, in my time era. Cheers

[Officially Retired]

Great stuff, CYJ, thanks for taking the time to share your experiences, I know a lot of people will be interested in reading this--and I am sure many will have further questions

Thanks again,

Jack

[scary]

great read cvj. me and a family member of mine were talking dogs one day. He is still very green and got on the subject some dogs that Marlowe produced. Well moral to the story you should have seen the look on his face when i told him Marlowe was a lady lol it was priceless.

[Tarheel]

Great read Johnny....always love hearing your input....we go way back my friend, we still need to find Sonny!!

[CYJ]

Tar Heel you made it over to a real dog man's site. Members, this younger fellow Tar Heel is the real deal. I knew him when he was in his early twenties. He was one of the young upcoming dog men that O. Stevenson liked and helped along the way. Has a blood line intact from 35 years back.

Get all your ped info. on this site. Jack has the best system I have ever seen. If you make a mistake will help you fix it. Make sure to watch all his video's on how his and his brother's ped system works. I am a little thick and computer baby boomer impaired, so had to watch them several times. LOL

You can get answers on this site with everyone being civil about it. Or get a P.M. of any error before being put in a un removable quote even after apologizing and correcting a comment. This site is a breathe of Fresh air.

[Officially Retired]

Thanks and glad to provide a forum where some old school pros feel comfortable discussing what they've learned and seen, to share it with others.

Very nice to have you both here, for sure.

Cheers,

[CYJ]

This is a update on this subject and a tad more. The opinion from the Fancier ( M. Norrod's brother), who posts under the member name of another member called Danger. On the on lines pedigree site. Stated in a well written article He wrote. That overtime He thought the Bass Tramp Red Boy dog might be of a Red Devil/Hemphill cross. Bred similar to George Christie's stock. Who lived in Coos Bay Oregon. Another breeder Vera Storm and husband carried some of the Christie stock in their dogs.

That the Red Boy pup was sent to Tennessee and (assumed) owned by the dog man Earl Adams. Might have my Adams dog men wrong, only one I had read or heard about back then. I knew a younger dog man named Joe Adams that may have helped Mr. Teal work and did handled Mr. Teal's dogs in some show events. Mr. Earl Adams was good friends with Mr. Teal. That Mr. Teal was given the Red Boy pup from Mr. Adams. If I have my wires crossed on that statement I apologize and stand corrected. If I understood the article correctly here is the problem with said opinion of the Fancier, which he is entitled to assume or believe for himself.

I brought up this subject with Mr. Truett about two days ago, of what the Fancier believed about Red Boy's breeding and if he knew or had ever met the Fancier in person. He told me yes he had. Was at a dog show in Michigan some years back.

There were some dog fanciers up Michigan way that had some of Mr. Truett's Prince/Red Boy dogs. Mr. Truett happen to some years back attend a dog show in Cool Water Michigan. One person he remembered being present besides the Fancier was a lady by the name of Ruby Hall who had or owned the Red Ape dog from Ozzie Steven's dog yard. He said the Fancier was telling his opinion on how the Bass Tramp Red Boy dog was bred to this group of dog persons. Mr. Truett kept quite and let Fancier state his thoughts and opinions on this never ending subject. LOL

Then Mr. Truett spoke up and told the Fancier the truth of the matter just like I told it on here. Mr. Truett and K. Marlowe were good friends and Mr. Truett had a good many Red Boy dogs on his yard over the years. Mr. Truett and R. E. Bass were not the best of friends over time.

Bass suckered punch Mr. Truett many years back at a dog show down Charleston way over a argument I forgot to ask him about. Just as Mr. Truett was fixing to put a real arse whipping on Bass it was broken up. Mr. Truett was a Roofer by profession and was no one to be trifled with even in his older years. Probably for the best as Bass carried a blade and a gun.

Back on subject, when the Fancier heard what Mr. Truett had to say on the matter. He got up and walked off. Reckon he prefers it his way. He is always quoting about were you there when this or that was going on. In many of the Fancier's arguments that may be a valid question. I can say Mr. Truett and Myself was there and saw Red Boy on numerous occasions from the time he was on Mr. Martin's yard, Bass' yard and lastly Miss Marlowe's yard. Where Tramp Red Boy died at a ripe ole age for a dog.

I do agree with Norrod on his feelings of Bass' Tramp Red Boy's sire probably being bred down from the Ross' Red Devil bloodlines. I always thought the Red Boy dog looked and was made up like Corvino's Shorty dog (bowed out at the elbows and back legs. Heads very similar looking. You could have put Ross' Red Devil dog in the middle of Katie Marlowe's dog yard back then. The Red Devil dog would look like another Red Boy dog on the yard. When I first saw Bass' Cleo bitch that he kept in his backyard. I looked Cleo over and asked Bass' if Cleo was a Bert Sorrell bred bitch dog. Cleo was built like some of those rangy/wiry built dogs like that Sorrell's Sailor dog.

Old saying goes that where there may be smoke, could be a fire. Have heard that some really good dogs were bred up when Red Boy blood was crossed with some of the Bert Sorrell stock. The Wendell Martin's Lady bitch which carried Cotton's Bullet blood crossed well with Red Boy as well. Cheers

[Officially Retired]

Nice addendum, CYJ

[evolutionkennels]

I never met Mr. McCloud who was the breeder of the litter of dogs that the Tramp Red Boy was bred out of. Mr. McCloud lived in Florence S.C., bred and sold Pit Bull pups through the Florence Morning News Paper Sales Ads. Even today time to time you will see Pit Bull pups for sale in the Sales Ads along with other breeds of dogs.

Tramp Red Boy was first owned as a puppy till up around say 14 months old by W. Martin who lived in Dillion S.C. Some of Tramp Red Boy's male siblings out of that litter were L. Miles Bouncer/Ford's Red Dog/L. McDougal's Happy/and Howard Teal's Mike, some called him Big Mac. Lastly Theo Hendrix' Sandy dog.

Tramp Red Boy/Ford's Red Dog/and Teal's Mike were larger dogs with Big Mac being the largest. Bouncer, Happy, and Sandy were around 45 pound dogs with the rest around 58 to 65 pound dogs. Tramp Red Boy was matched at 52 pounds.

Bouncer was a tiger brindle/black nose dog. Ford's dog was a reddish tan with black nose. McDougal's Happy was a light reddish tan dog with red nose/yellow eyes. Hendrix's Sandy was a light reddish tan with red nose/yellow eyes. Teal's Big Mac was a dark brown dog with a black nose and was undershot with a more Bulldog looking head. Tramp Red Boy was red with Red Nose and yellow eyes. Red Boy, Happy and Sandy looked more a like.

W. Martin had a yard of dogs mostly bred off the Lopassay's Bullet II dogs and some Lopassay Carver's Tiger Jack breeding. Martin sold Red Boy to Bass. Later on sold his Martin's Lady bitch to A. Howell, along with a young male dog off Lopassay's Tiger Jack x Lopassay's Beanie called Buckshot.

You will find the Martin's Lady bitch in the breeding of R. Carter's Blackie dog that help found F.J.'s Assassin line of dogs. A breeding off Howell's Buckshot dog x Martin's Lady can be seen in the Snake man and Fat Bill dogs.

The Martin's Lady bitch was also bred to Tramp Red boy when Wendell still owned him. My brother owned one of the bitches named Liz and Rowell had a male named Ringo. Both dogs were black and white, had good mouths and showed to be game dogs. Wendell may have bred Tramp Red boy to some of his other bitches but do not know for sure.

All of these dogs that Mr. McCloud bred were UKC registered. The papers shown on Louis's Bouncer dog read the same as the pedigree shown on this site and others on Tramp Red Boy. I did not look at any of the other dog's pedigrees,since all the owners knew their dogs and knew they were off Mr. Teal's yard. The Big Mac or Mike dog was probably the stud fee pup that was given to Mr. Teal for breeding the McCloud's Susie-Q bitch. This bitch was also shown bred off Mr. Teal's yard.

Katie Marlowe later became a dog partner with Bass and when he died she became the sole owner of Red Boy and the remaining dogs. There was some breedings off Red Boy and Bass's Cleo that Bass sold to some other dog men along with Katie getting some.

I can not remember his name. But there was one dog man that lived close to Bass in Dillion S.C. This dog man had some direct dogs off Red Boy and Cleo. Most were Black etc. and looked like the Britches dog along with a few Red Nose red dogs. Not sure where all his dogs went to after he got out of the game.

Katie Marlowe is the main founder of the Tramp Red Boy line. She line bred and inbred off Red Boy till late in Red Boy's life. Red Boy lived to a ripe ole age for a Bulldog. All of the rumor's of Red Boy's breeding were the same ones I heard 40 years ago. Only two people know for sure and that was Mr.Teal and Mr. McCloud.

It is best to just accept the fact that the Tramp Red Boy line began with Katie Marlowe and her breeding around Tramp Red Boy. I think she did one hell of a great job myself. Was right up there with the rest of the famous Male Dog men breeders of her time.

Her son Bo told me a few weeks back that when they sold off their yard. That all their yard went to a dog man in Tenn., who wishes to remain private. There is one dog man that called me just this past week. He still has some tight bred Red Boy dogs off Marlowe's Chance/Mr. Bulldog/and Britches. He has over the years used his Red Boy-Jocko crossed with some Chinaman/W. T.'s Prince dogs with good results. He wishes to remain unknown and was wanting some of V. Jackson's blood line to cross back into for some different pulling traits.

After reading some of those Red Boy stories over on the other site. I hope this clears up some of the mystery and mystique on Tramp Red Boy for some of the new comers. Marlowe's Tramp Red Boy/Jackson's Hank/Kelley's Willie were the popular stud dogs in the Pee Dee area of the South East, in my time era.

Thank you

[dtakennels]

Thinks for the history lesson CYJ....I got a little Red Boy in this ole girl....


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