SKULL WIDTH AND HEAD CIRCUNFERENCE OF YOUR DOG AND MOUTH POWER

[will888]

Hi!

I would ask you a question about your dogs:

Skull width and circumference of head of your dogs

And these data related with power of mouth...

Bigger head is more powerfull mouth?

Was true that Gr Ch Mayday ha 60 cm of head circumference ?

Thanks to all

[EWO]

There is another thread on here comparing head structure/jaw structure and mouth. Simply speaking, there is no correlation. As soon as a big head dog shows mouth, 10 keen headed, narrow mouthed dogs will absolutely bite shit in half. For the most part it is a natural phenomenon. Everyone has an opinion, some informed, so not so much, but no one person has nailed it down to an absolute. EWO

[No Quarter Kennel]

I agree there is no absolute and there are exceptions to all rules, but I do believe there is a correlation to structure and performance. Exactly the reason there is a breed standard confirmation. It was based around what gives the dog the best ability to do its job.

With that being said, I also look at it as "potential" and not an "equating to" situation. What I mean, is if the dog has perfect confirmation in all aspects, his potential to perform is greater than a dog that is absolutely WRONG in all aspects of confirmation. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean anything. Like the kids I coach, we tell them the definition of potential is what you can do, but you HAVE NOT DONE YET. That's all potential is.

So yes, I vote there is a correlation to potential and what is possible in all aspects of structure, not only in the potential ability to bite, but in all aspects of structure.

The kicker is, the will, drive, want to, effort, etc. THIS is what separates all athletes and abilities, in head to head match ups with most things being equal in both man and animal.

JMHO

[EWO]

Agreed. Well put. I agree there is a correlation between structure and performance. I just always have put mouth on a shelf by itself. That long and lean dog is normally and can be expected to be faster than his short/stocky/muscled counter part. That stocky/muscled dog can be expected to be stronger. That long dog can off set the strength with leverage. I see the correlation between the that type of structure and performance.

Either of these dogs can bite and either can not. Same with the heads. The jughead dog might crush shit but his twin brother can not. There is no real explanation. That is why I said there is no correlation between the two. I agree it should be, and in other areas it can be and has correlation. Mouth is like a different animal altogether. EWO

[will888]

Thanks for your explanation, i asked this because the point is the nervous system and the will of the dog to bite... And where bite.

There are lots of mastiff show dogs that have a more power bite but faced with a game dog they lost and they are not able to bite well a smart pitbull that avoid the bite and attacks the mastiff defenseless point...

So if we see the hard mouth Lines like Eli and Bullyson they have a narrow skull in comparison to Mayday and redboy dogs
But they have a great mouth... In percentage more than Other lines... Sure we can find hardmouthed redboy, but not as frequentely as Eli or bullyson.

I think it the nervous system and fast twich fibers play the big role...

[No Quarter Kennel]

I believe ultimately, it is the desire or "will" of the dog that determines the ability to bite more than anything else.

[EWO]

Agreed. Mr. Lester Hughes once said when asked the mouth question, "He just wants to". I am not sure it can be explained any better than that. EWO

[Chase1]

I personally think for a dog to be able to bite hard. They have to have the proper mechanics and the mental will to do so. Just my two cents.