I've been reading all the posts on animal conditioning, but I've not read anything about some of ways of keeping the life of the motor running ,(kidneys)!!! Are there people out there that still use the Buckthorn Extract i.e. Racers Choice to keep the kidneys flushed??? Thanks in advance for the responses...
Hydration is the first choice for saving the kidneys. The next is being on top of the 'dump' count. And third not 'over protein-ing or over supplementing. I personally have never used a product for the specific intent of flushing the kidney's. Maybe others have and I am interested in other's views. EWO
Showcase, Jack's book talks about proper feeding techniques. Do a little research on the net and you will know what adversely affects the kidneys on animals.
Nothing should hinder your dog's kidneys if they're normal functioning kidneys. If your dog has access to water, the kidneys should not have any issues. If you have a lazy, sedentary dog, it doesn't need excess protein. A working dog needs extra protein to repair muscle tissue, etc. Protein needs increase, you increase protein. Allow the dog to drink the water needed to help flush toxins from the body.
Originally Posted by FrostyPaws
I would say that the word "protein," by itself, needs to be examined ... and replaced with the highest-quality, most biologically-available protein possible
All proteins are not created equally as far as their usefulness goes ... some being easy on the dog to process ... others being very difficult to process at all ... which distinction is vital to understand why there are sometimes problems
For example, if your dog is struggling with a lot of work, isn't being given enough water, and is being fed cheap kibble where "corn gluten" is the source of protein, then he is going to get kidney problems ... 1) because he's dehydrated (which EWO pointed out is the #1 problem), and 2) whatever protein the dog *is* getting, SUCKS!, isn't easily-processed by the dog, which also causes his kidneys to work hard. [This can also be true for those super-high-protein "grain-free" kibbles (like Innova Evo) which also cause dehydration.]
By contrast, if your dog is doing a lot of work, has plenty of water, and is eating a RAW diet of chicken, egg proteins, and even easily-digested protein supplements ... then he should have NO kidney problems at all.
Jack
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I agree. Common sense goes a long way. I determine the quality of kibble by how much water they drink while on it. The BEST.... NATURES VARIETY VENISON & LAMB WITH RAW BOOST. They drink almost zero water to process it. "almost" like raw. The worst.. Orijen.... Also... NVRBWV&L is the only food I've ever fed where the pregnant and nursing bitch doesn't lose any hair.I would say that the word "protein," by itself, needs to be examined ... and replaced with the highest-quality, most biologically-available protein possible
All proteins are not created equally as far as their usefulness goes ... some being easy on the dog to process ... others being very difficult to process at all ... which distinction is vital to understand why there are sometimes problems
For example, if your dog is struggling with a lot of work, isn't being given enough water, and is being fed cheap kibble where "corn gluten" is the source of protein, then he is going to get kidney problems ... 1) because he's dehydrated (which EWO pointed out is the #1 problem), and 2) whatever protein the dog *is* getting, SUCKS!, isn't easily-processed by the dog, which also causes his kidneys to work hard. [This can also be true for those super-high-protein "grain-free" kibbles (like Innova Evo) which also cause dehydration.]
By contrast, if your dog is doing a lot of work, has plenty of water, and is eating a RAW diet of chicken, egg proteins, and even easily-digested protein supplements ... then he should have NO kidney problems at all.
Jack
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So u value orijen as worst quality because they drink the most water on it. Doesnt that have to do with the % of protein in ratio to other kibbles.
Thanks for the responses, but wouldn't you gentlemen think with all the powder supplementation going in the animal that you should have something to help keep the kidneys flushed?
No, powder or vitamin or steroid, none of that shit matters if your dog has access to all the fresh water it wants. The mistake people make is to cut water during the keep. Never cut water. Furthermore, I always believed in bringing a dog one pound in waterweight over his dried out pit weight. TThat way he has enough water to allow him to work during the show. Some idiots are like.... My dogs kidneys shut down after the show.... I say.. They sure did. It's also smart to have Lasix on hand after the show as part of the recovery, along with solu delta and an iv bag.
Kidneys shut down afterwards mainly because of Rhabdomyolysis. The amount of water the dog has during a show naturally depletes as the show continues on due to fluid volume loss. While Solu Delta (or any type of anti-shock agent) is supremely important, even more important are the fluids as that is what will flush the kidneys to possibly reverse and save the kidneys from Rhabdo.
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