Dog sales in Foreign Countries

[Foxman]

I have been talking to a man from Australia that wanted to buy Twista. He said he was going to send me $1000 dollars through Western Union. I told him I do not sell to people in foreign countries. He wrote and said their would be no problem that he would send a groundshipper buy to pick him up and more or less said I'd be out of the picture. I told him Ok I can do that. The day he sent the money to Western Union for me. He said could I get a health certificate calling him and Stephen Curr. I said my vet knows my dogs and I can't do that. He ask If I knew a Vet that could get a health certificte saying he was a Stephens Curr. I said no I will not do that. His conversation begin to bother me and I called my Attorney and ask some questions and she ask me some questions. She said that could be someone trying to get you and setting you up for trying to get a breed of dog in a country that doesn't allow that breed. So I wrote him and told him to get his money back from Western Union that I had decided not to go to Western Union and get the money and leave me alone. I told him not to write me or call me again. He was mad and wrote me some insulting letters and called to. I was sorry I had ever let him talk me into anything. He said I have already spend $1000 dollars and hollared about that. I hope and believe they will let him have hs money back. Anyway am I wrong for backing out on this? I like my freedom and have never been arrested for any felonies. I am cautious and trust very few people. I hope I did the right thing. Randy Fox

[wrknapbt]

Nope not wrong at all. The problem with a sale like this is you don't know the person or anyone who does know him. He could be trying to do something shady to you or someone else. If he has a ground shipper then his shipper should take care of all of that and if I'm not mistaken (I maybe) I think the breed is banned in that country. I will check the BSL list and find out for sure. I myself will not sell a dog to anyone. I have placed dogs with folks but they will never be able to say I sold them a dud or anything like that. My deals go like this. Oh you like this knuckle head dog? Take him/her home and try them out and let me know if it's worth the food it eats. If not cull it.

[Nut]

I would have backed out to. Its a favor, and favor have to be earned or payed for.

[FrostyPaws]

The problem is none of that was discussed up front. Australia doesn't allow APBTs to be imported into the country. He should've made that clear to you from the get go.

[Foxman]

My Attorney said and I quote. Can you imagine what could happen to you aiding a man who is trying to get a dog in his country illegally. Anyway it isn't going to happen. I hope he can get his money back. Surely he can.

[Officially Retired]

It's as simple as this: if someone digs in his pocket, and puts his money out there for you to take, you are NOT required to accept it.

And even if you do accept it, you are perfectly within your rights to hand it back.

I also know for a fact the sender can get ALL his money back from Western Union if it's not been claimed yet by the sendee.

Jack

PS: And even if you took the money from Western Union, you're still within your rights to send it back, LESS your charges for sending it.
EG: If you get $1,000 for the dog, and it costs you $15 to send it back, then the man gets $985.
.... You do NOT have to pay anything extra for his failing to tell you it's illegal for him to get a dog.
.... You're not required to know the laws of every country in the world; HE'S required to tell you the laws of his country.

[tasoschatz]

It looks simple to me, he required more than agreed after the original deal, so it is your right to decline.

[Foxman]

The man or woman in question from Australia ask me to take this off here and scolded me for putting this on here. He emailed me and ask me to remove this. I did not mention his or her call name or his or her name. I am going to stay with what my gut tells me. I feel if I had moved forward doing this transaction I may have got in trouble. As you all know I am an open book. Anyone who jumps all over me for my decisions will gain nothing by doing so. I can go back and copy all his emails and put them on here but I wont. This is a warning to everyone. Stay away from this type sales and these type people if you can. Randy Fox

[CrazyRed]

Why would you mention you could copy & paste all his emails on here? No need for that, you came on the board told the story got responses all after you contacted your attorney. It's obvious the guy liked the way the dog was bred and needed the dog shipped to his country with a Health Cert for Stephen's Curr on it. Nothing new about it, hell many folks do the same thing. You decided to turn him down and let him take his money back without burning him. You did your part, now you can send him on his way. Reason he asked you to take it down or scolded you was because maybe you weren't the only person he inquired about a dog that is up for sale. So with likely more than 1 person contacted and he the common man of being from Australia it's not hard to start pin pointing people. I think after you told me you called your attorney I would of just said send the money back anyways, not trying to be attached to nothing illegal just like you aren't

[gameday]

Why would you mention you could copy & paste all his emails on here? No need for that, you came on the board told the story got responses all after you contacted your attorney. It's obvious the guy liked the way the dog was bred and needed the dog shipped to his country with a Health Cert for Stephen's Curr on it. Nothing new about it, hell many folks do the same thing. You decided to turn him down and let him take his money back without burning him. You did your part, now you can send him on his way. Reason he asked you to take it down or scolded you was because maybe you weren't the only person he inquired about a dog that is up for sale. So with likely more than 1 person contacted and he the common man of being from Australia it's not hard to start pin pointing people. I think after you told me you called your attorney I would of just said send the money back anyways, not trying to be attached to nothing illegal just like you aren't

Exactly!!!

Randy you should start conducting yourself like a grown man,and handle your dealings with people in private...instead of coming to an open forum and discussing this...and posting private emails between you and the potential customer is a big no no!...

if you don't want to deal with him then thats fine..but show some dignity and let it be...you will gain more respect that way...