Who has used this keep specifically? Results? What winning dogs were kept this way?
Any knowledgeable or experienced posts are appreciated. I am neither for it or against it. It came up in a recent conversation. I use some of the principles but have never worked a dog solely based on the Lemm plan. EWO
IMO, the whole idea of "free conditioning" is counter-intuitive to what a dog actually does in a fight.
Resistance training, with periodic breaks, and periodic all-out efforts, is more in line with the reality of what dogs are actually doing in a match.
A fight is NOT just "pure cardio," with zero resistance; in fact a fight is quite the opposite.
There is another force of equal weight resisting your dog's efforts (and requiring your dog to put up a resistance to), for which muscular conditioning is absolutely needed.
Jack
Agreed. I saw one recently and with this free conditioning keep the dog looked weak. I can't say it was followed to the letter, or whether it was applied correctly, but the dog looked weak to me. I saw him in the first and he was a different dog. The first time he won and his keep helped him but the second I feel like he won in spite of the work put in.
I have never personally used it myself, nor have I ever known anyone that did. I watched a lot of the video and listened to the reasons but I just can't see coming in as a 'one trick pony'. I was wondering if anyone had ever used it with any success. EWO
Originally Posted by CA Jack
Hence, the jenny that let's the dog work on the Hyde as he runs or walks and shakes with a counterweight on the opposite side for resistance
Allow me to quote:
"I have a perfect Robert Lemm treadmill, excellent. I haven't used it in 10 years. Nothing beats the jenny for conditioning. I used to do flirtpole and springpole work, but not so much anymore. I believe in strength-conditioning too. I'll hook a chain to a dog's harness on certain days when they're running the jenny so they can get some weight resistance training. Anyone who doesn't believe in strength training isn't winning consistently in top competition today."
~ Hardcore Mike
Jack
Evolution, I have a question on something i noticed in that video I'm going to send you a PM just incase it's a secret that you use and don't want let out
What style dogs hardcore has? And would you apply resistance(strength) training on your own type of dogs. Since mike uses the word "anyone"
Edit: I didn't read what type of mill was being advised in your 60 mill keep(might have missed it). Other than that the idea comes pretty close to the lemm keep. Could you explain in which ways you think its better.
You clearly didn't read the keep at all, because I advocate a Jenny, and answered all your other questions there as well.
I knew some guys that used it in my area, some had success with it, others did'NT. I noticed that in some of the hog hunts compared to previous hunts with the same dog, they looked weaker in my opinion. I believe part of it was that at the time a lot of people bought into the free conditioning method and lost focus on strength training and actual endurance work, in previous hunts these guys used a lot of hand walking a little weight pulling and basically tossed a ball back in fourth allowing the dog to open up in sprints and at the same working those fast twitching muscles. I am in no way saying it wasn't a good keep just my observation.
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