While Researching The Thought Came Up, When Buying Bulldogs With The Intention On Building Does It Matter whether Or Not The Source Is A Breeder or Active Dog Man.
While Researching The Thought Came Up, When Buying Bulldogs With The Intention On Building Does It Matter whether Or Not The Source Is A Breeder or Active Dog Man.
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First of all, thanks to CYJ for the kudos.Originally Posted by EarlyBird
Second, everything matters if the evidence is there.
I am not quite sure what you meant by, "When Buying Bulldogs With The Intention On Building." Do you mean with the intention of building a yard?
It is your own intention that matters, ultimately. (Perhaps you can clarify your question.)
Jack
PS: Most "Active Dogmen" get their best dogs from good breeders, so that is where I would go to get mine.
I Bought The Book, I'm Just Curious To See What others Think CYJ. As Far As The Building Part Jack Yes Building A yard. Thanks..
my gutfeeling would say both
cause ultimately neither the dogger nor the breeder are complete
the one who can combine both and be succesfull for a period of time is the one I would get dogs from
I disagree.
Historically-speaking, the best dogs in history 99% come from breeders exclusively--or from people who bred two dogs together purchased directly from breeders exclusively.
The rare dogman who can BOTH show dogs exceptionally well, and breed dogs exceptionally well, will never sell you his best dogs: he will keep them for himself.
You are almost guaranteed to get a "less than" dog from a competitive breeder/dogman, whose own money is riding on what he keeps
The legit breeder doesn't need to have conditioning experience to know what to look for in a dog, nor especially on how to reliably and consistently produce good dogs.
More importantly, a legit breeder (aside from having THE most experience breeding good dogs) will also sell you the best dogs he has, for the right price, because he wants his best stuff to get shown
Jack
in a sense of buying a grown dog yesI disagree.
Historically-speaking, the best dogs in history 99% come from breeders exclusively--or from people who bred two dogs together purchased directly from breeders exclusively.
The rare dogman who can BOTH show dogs exceptionally well, and breed dogs exceptionally well, will never sell you his best dogs: he will keep them for himself.
You are almost guaranteed to get a "less than" dog from a competitive breeder/dogman, whose own money is riding on what he keeps
The legit breeder doesn't need to have conditioning experience to know what to look for in a dog, nor especially on how to reliably and consistently produce good dogs.
More importantly, a legit breeder (aside from having THE most experience breeding good dogs) will also sell you the best dogs he has, for the right price, because he wants his best stuff to get shown
Jack
but for pups I dont see how one can determine which puppy is the best
Cmon, you're telling me you have no idea which pups are going to be the best?
You're telling me you get it wrong more than right?
That damned sure isn't the case when I breed dogs.
IMO, anyone who really knows dogs knows which pups are superior, and at a very early age.
And anyone who knows how to breed dogs, does so in a way that he repeatedly gets litters with high-percentages of at least pretty good dogs, some really good.
In fact, the person who CAN'T tell which pups are going to be superior, and who CAN'T reliably produce above-average litters is NOT a good breeder (or dogman) IMO.
Seriously, how can you call such a man "good" at breeding ... he's basically an average, clueless retard?
Jack
Honestly I can't I have bred 6 litters (6th coming up) , this year I have known this breed for 30 years , bred my first litter in 2000Cmon, you're telling me you have no idea which pups are going to be the best?
You're telling me you get it wrong more than right?
That damned sure isn't the case when I breed dogs.
IMO, anyone who really knows dogs knows which pups are superior, and at a very early age.
And anyone who knows how to breed dogs, does so in a way that he repeatedly gets litters with high-percentages of at least pretty good dogs, some really good.
In fact, the person who CAN'T tell which pups are going to be superior, and who CAN'T reliably produce above-average litters is NOT a good breeder (or dogman) IMO.
Seriously, how can you call such a man "good" at breeding ... he's basically an average, clueless retard?
Jack
I have never been able to tell which one will turn out, If I have to pick , I just pick on looks.
I like the bulldog types and I love the color brindle
Come to think of it , I am not a breeder , the choice to start breeding came out of necessity ( I figured I could not do worse than the ones I was buying) , I am just down to the third generation and I only breed when I need something.
to give you a picture of where I stand
I have a litter on the way because I have 4 empty spaces ( the dam is almost 5 and is her first litter , might even be her last)
my last litter was 4 years ago
I hope to get 4 males and if there more I get rid of the rest
So and this an assumption
I think if you breed quite a lot and see a lot of those pups than you might develop some sense of which may turn out
so I breed far less to actually develop that sense
So who could give me a list of 5 good breeders who are not active dogman. Who are modern day's CA JACK's?
And who on this board has built his yard around dogs that came of a breeder, who was no active dogman.
Just curious.
I think what really matters is your steps after acquiring the dogs.
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