What are a few options for the absolute best, regardless of price, feeds for pregnant and lactating bitches. I would like to hear both RAW and Kibble options.
Thanks
What are a few options for the absolute best, regardless of price, feeds for pregnant and lactating bitches. I would like to hear both RAW and Kibble options.
Thanks
Jack's raw diet or Origin kibble.
No Quarter, I use a simple formula that keeps mom and her pups super healthy....
Quality kibble high in fat
1/2 cup goat milk
1 egg yolk only
Liquid vitamin mineral supplement.....Centrum
Golf ball size of ground beef.....70/30
I don't start using this until after the bitch shows she's pregnant....usually a month after being bred.....we had a bitch from Floyd that always lost like half of her litter to whatever reason. On this feeding plan she raised 21 of 22
Mix the goat milk and egg yolk together....add like 5cc of Centrum...mix and pour over kibble....add ground beef ball....proven to work and helps the pups to come healthy fat and shiny...
Calcium pills, vitamins and I put the bitch back on puppy food ,kibble is what i use while she is pregnant .I continue it a couple weeks while she is nursing.My litters have always been healthy and the runts catch up fast..I like to watch the runt and if he or she is gaining and showing good strength I'm ok..Just what I do.
No "kibble" is an ultimate food. That is an oxymoron.
While I agree, I also think there is an "Ultimate Raw" option and an "Ultimate Kibble" option. There is a good better best in all things, including Kibble.Originally Posted by CA Jack
RAW is not ALWAYS an option for everyone in every situation. You yourself did not feed RAW for all 20+ years that you owned a dog and for someone to be "restricted" to Kibble feed either part time or full time, does not disqualify them from owning, keeping, feeding and breeding dogs.
I prefer RAW myself, I believe 100% it is the best way to feed a dog. However, at the end of the day, these are animals and a quality animal grade food is legal, morally acceptable and for the most part healthy. There is nothing wrong with it outside of being inferior to other methods of nutritional fundamentals.
This idea gets insane at times. Guys say raw, then they say it's gotta be raw organic, then raw wild. I have stated before and I'll state it again. Some of the top breeders (producers of winning bulldogs) in the world, feed Premium Ole Roy. Not endorsing the stuff myself, but it's a fact and their dogs live 12+ years on average, fertility isn't a problem and there are no apparent problems associated with this method. Do I believe RAW is better than Ole Roy - Yep - sure do. But I'm sure not going to think less of my fellow man who feeds it if he is doing right by his dogs in every other way. I think it's petty to do so.
Never understood what the saying, "Doing right by his dogs," means exactly?
Does it mean the man performed a good deed while standing next to a dog he owned?
Seriously, though, as far as the thrust of what you said goes, knowing what a good dog is will put any man in the winner's circle, regardless of what they feed.
Feeding the best feed to poodles won't make them whip bulldogs.
Still, feeding Ol Roy basically boils down to one of two things: ignorance or laziness (or both).
The person either doesn't know any better, or he doesn't give a shit, one or the other.
Neither of which is something to be admired.
It has also been my observation that most of the people who feed the cheapest shit they can feed tend not to give much of a damn about their dogs in other respects either. These are the types who also skimp on many other things (housing, straw, etc.) They may know what a bulldog is, and they may know how to win, but 99x out of 100 most Ol' Roy feeders tend to be on the "dog butcher" side, not the "conscientious owner" side.
So you can do whatever 'you' want to do, and of course think whatever you want to think, but I will continue to think less of any man who feeds this shit to his dog.
Because at the end of the day he is either ignorant, or he doesn't give a damn, there is no other explanation as to why anyone would feed Ol' Roy.
But yeah, the man may also know what a badass dog looks like. Trouble is, he just doesn't give a shit about their long term health, only how he can get away with "keeping them around" as cheaply as possible.
Feeding the cheapest shit one can get away with feeding is certainly not something I will ever admire in a dogman.
I personally tend to reserve my own admiration for those who not only know what a good dog is, they also do their very best for them nutritionally and in their housing as well.
Jack
My bad Jack.
There's not a lot I disagree with here Jack. For the most part, I agree with most of what you say. Your are king dingaling when it comes to stating things in an irrefutable manner.
However, there are other reasons and one is that a man with 100+ dogs, winning dogs, with no internal parasites, external parasites and dogs housed properly and dogs that have been "done right by" in many many ways, may just be feeding PREMIUM Ole Roy (I know - I know - not much difference in this and regular Ole Roy and I agree - BUT it is better than regular) for the cost effectiveness (meaning monetary only) angle possible.
If I wanted to argue against your "ignorance" stance, I would argue, that a man, breeding, handling and selling winning dogs, is not at all ignorant to be saving in feed increasing his profit margin. Actually sounds smart to me.
If I were to argue against "laziness", I would say a man whose yard is immaculate, FULL OF WINNING DOGS that have won ALL OVER THE PLANET, and every single animal on the yard looks like a thoroughbred, would contradict him being lazy in any way at all, except in the area of feed. A yard with 40+ animals, all in perfect condition, with numerous winners and champions, zero fleas or worms contradicts a lazy dogman.
Simply b/c a man is perceived to be lazy in your eyes b/c of what he feeds does not constitute the man lazy. One aspect of many aspects (the dogs are only one aspect of most folk's lives) of one man's life does not constitute a lazy man. If that logic holds true then every man on the planet is one lazy SOB!
Lots of factors to consider.
Where you a lazy dogman when you were feeding Canidae?
The man simply is selfish, and has too many dogs.
In a selfish sense, yes.
Smart for himself, smart for his wallet, but NOT doing his best for the dogs.
You're simply defending your hero, nothing more.
There are two subjects you're confusing: (1) what's convenient/cost-effective and (2) what is BEST for the dogs.
The subject of this thread is ULTIMATE (best)
If you want to start a new thread about feeding cheap shit as being more cost-effective, that's fine.
But on the subject of BEST practices, Ol' Roy and this man's feeding methods don't belong here.
You just said it: he's lazy when it comes to feeding optimally.
He is not even trying to feed "okay"; he is feeding PURE SHIT.
Why does he need 100 dogs that he feeds pure shit?
You don't need 100 dogs to have good dogs. You don't need 100 dogs period.
I have not been in as long, but I have bred winners all over the world with a lot fewer dogs than that.
You're rationalizing, nothing more.
Just because a man is an icon in the game, does NOT mean he's a flawless human being or actually does his very best on every level.
It means he's been around long enough to know what a good dog looks like, bred a lot of winners, etc., but that does NOT mean it's "a good thing" to be a dog on this man's yard.
Sure, there are worse yards to be on.
There are also FAR better yards to be on
The last thing I would EVER want to do would be sentenced to be 1 of 100 dogs on a chain in Texas, fed Ol' Roy dogfood for the rest of my God-forsaken, human-deprived life.
By contrast, there are people whose yards (if I was a dog) I would be "delighted" to be on.
WHY? Because I would be WORKED WITH and FED TOP NUTRITION ... not be one of dozens strewn all over the place on a dog-farm.
No. That is your moronic parallel, showing that you understand nothing.
I never, at ANY time fed pure shit feed like Ol Roy.
I did, however, feed Diamond when I was GREEN and IGNORANT.
Then, as I learned, and after watching enough dogs fall apart, I CARED ENOUGH to start investigating how much FEED affects my dogs ... and I tried other feeds (Abady, etc.), and I made the switch to Canidae.
You see, back then, 15 years ago, Canidae was top nutrition, and that was part of my own stages of evolution TRYING TO FEED BETTER ... going from Diamond to Canidae (which used to be top nutrition, now it too is junk).
No one will EVER accuse me of deliberately doing the same stupid, sub-standard shit ... for 40-50 years in a row ... that is not "evolution" that is STAGNATION
When I realized how important nutrition was, I studied as much as I could.
When Canidae switched ingredients, I again switched to Nature's Variety ... TRYING TO FEED THE BEST FEED I COULD ... until I realized RAW was the way to go. Period.
And I have been feeding RAW ever since.
More than that, in the exact OPPOSITE of laziness, I WROTE BOOKS, PRODUCED MAGAZINES, AND PRODUCED DVDS trying to **HELP OTHER DOGS AND THEIR OWNERS ALL OVER THE WORLD**
So please don't compare me in ANY WAY to some lazy old man, who's fed the same sub-standard shit for 50 years straight, NEVER tried to improve, and can only write a book about "himself."
There are not many people who are as UN-lazy as I am
Thanks,
Jack
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