How many have tried this with success?
How many have tried this with success?
All you have to do is look at the ROM list, or think of any number of producers, and see lines have been started on a lot of outcross dogs.
I can't think of any particular family that was started on a scatterbred type of dog though.
No, I never have but was curious about a couple things. If you are doing this you must have a really special individual worth building off of. If so, do you have access to one of its liter mates that is also of very high quality to bred the dog to? Or do you have access to either the sire or dam of the dog you wish to build the line off of or a close relative. If its scatter bred or a cross, some inbreeding would probably be in order to solidify certain traits and tighten up the gene pool. Maybe based on the phenotype of the dog you can figure out what side of the pedigree he is pulling from and breed in that direction?Originally Posted by ASAP
If the dog you are building on is a cross of 2 pure families then hybrid vigor comes into play possibly which means it will probably nor reproduce him/herself. Lines created by a cross of 2 pure lines like Redboy/Jocko or Redboy/Jocko/Jeep so to just keep the right blend going and it seems to work for future generations. lines created off a scatterbred dogs like the Alligator/Rufus (Hammonds line) were pretty heavily inbred initially either back to one side of the family or brother to sister to solidify the gene pool.
Is this hypothetical or are you trying to do it???? Very curious
Just a hypothetical question. Have a few pups being giving to me that are outcrossed. Tight linebred to a loosely linebred bitch.No, I never have but was curious about a couple things. If you are doing this you must have a really special individual worth building off of. If so, do you have access to one of its liter mates that is also of very high quality to bred the dog to? Or do you have access to either the sire or dam of the dog you wish to build the line off of or a close relative. If its scatter bred or a cross, some inbreeding would probably be in order to solidify certain traits and tighten up the gene pool. Maybe based on the phenotype of the dog you can figure out what side of the pedigree he is pulling from and breed in that direction?
If the dog you are building on is a cross of 2 pure families then hybrid vigor comes into play possibly which means it will probably nor reproduce him/herself. Lines created by a cross of 2 pure lines like Redboy/Jocko or Redboy/Jocko/Jeep so to just keep the right blend going and it seems to work for future generations. lines created off a scatterbred dogs like the Alligator/Rufus (Hammonds line) were pretty heavily inbred initially either back to one side of the family or brother to sister to solidify the gene pool.
Is this hypothetical or are you trying to do it???? Very curious
You can create anything you want. Just depends how much time and effort you are willing to spend. It just helps when continuing someone else's work or picking up where someone left off if you shared some-what of a similar vision.
I beleive it would take a long time to get what your looking for. Good luck
This are the 2 dogs that have been bred http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=17928 http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=49208
As with anything, your chance of success depends on percentages in the litter(s) and selection afterwards
There is no "one" answer; there is no "magic pill"
One person may succeed where you may fail ... or you may succeed where another one fails.
Those dogs are bred well enough to have a legit shot.
IFFFF the individuals you display are GOOD ENOUGH to warrant a line being bred off them, then give it a shot.
But if you're just trying to "build a line" off mediocre, nothing dogs, then why waste your time?
However, if the quality of the dogs is outstanding enough to warrant you devoting a lifetime of dedication to preserving it, then that alone demands you try to do so
Jack
This is something I pretty much knew but it just more reassuring coming from somebody with your experience! lol Thanks!!As with anything, your chance of success depends on percentages in the litter(s) and selection afterwards
There is no "one" answer; there is no "magic pill"
One person may succeed where you may fail ... or you may succeed where another one fails.
Those dogs are bred well enough to have a legit shot.
IFFFF the individuals you display are GOOD ENOUGH to warrant a line being bred off them, then give it a shot.
But if you're just trying to "build a line" off mediocre, nothing dogs, then why waste your time?
However, if the quality of the dogs is outstanding enough to warrant you devoting a lifetime of dedication to preserving it, then that alone demands you try to do so
Jack
Exactly and great post. I think more folks would do better once they start being more honest with themselves, every dog that does good in a roll or even wins a show don't mean he's worth building a line around. You have to know percentages, of his litter, if possible of other litters that sire & dam produced. Was this litter their best or does pop throw this every time or does dam throw this every time. The more information you can get to analyze the better, doesn't guarantee anything but #s might not tell the whole story but they don't lie either.As with anything, your chance of success depends on percentages in the litter(s) and selection afterwards
There is no "one" answer; there is no "magic pill"
One person may succeed where you may fail ... or you may succeed where another one fails.
Those dogs are bred well enough to have a legit shot.
IFFFF the individuals you display are GOOD ENOUGH to warrant a line being bred off them, then give it a shot.
But if you're just trying to "build a line" off mediocre, nothing dogs, then why waste your time?
However, if the quality of the dogs is outstanding enough to warrant you devoting a lifetime of dedication to preserving it, then that alone demands you try to do so
Jack
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