Hot litters

[BRICKFACE]

As a breeder do you have high hopes? Or know you might be on the right track when your pups turn on early?

Or is it an indication of future potential? but by no means is it a guarantee?

Is it all of the above? Or pups being pups?

You hear of dumb asses putting pups through the ringer and culling them before they mature. By two years that same pup could have been special in competent hands.

How do you rate hot litters?

[Nut]

IMO its no indication for potential at all.

[CrazyRed]

I don't rate them at all, I do compare and contrast with other litters from Sire/Dam to see if it's something that comes from both or just one or the other but other than that means nothing. I do also like to decipher what some might consider "hot" and what I consider "pups being pups." No matter what the breed most pups wrestle around and somewhat aggressive and develop who is dominant mentality etc, but our dogs are a bit more aggressive and maybe we expect it a little more.

I don't count pups wrestling as being any hotter than anything, but I've seen litters where they were absolutely trying to hurt each other. I mean no question, scratching into each other with intent to harm and those I consider hot litters but they get no extra ranking or juice from me. they don't get that until they hit about 2 years of age.

[No Quarter Kennel]

I believe there are many indicators of potential, ability and expectations from an early age. If he's hot as a pup, he's usually hot as an adult. Only time I see it not being indicative is the slow starter turning out good.

When puppies will literally kill one another 10 weeks of age, I believe, 100%, they will kill later on.

Two very very prominant Tx breeders were visiting one day. One was watching a litter of pups "play" that the other one had bred. He warned him if he didn't take that ball out of their pen, they would probably end up hurting each other over it. His reply - "There's not a ball in there".....Turned out to be the head of another pup. They were 9 weeks old. Entire litter turned out to be quite special.

Terrible story I know. Point is, they turned out how they started.

Lots of variables to consider as well. Who is raising the pups, stimuli, development, overall health, their comfort level, etc.

[FrostyPaws]

Pups that kill will NOT kill later on as adults. As someone who has raised numerous pups from various litters that killed a littermate, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that is not true. It doesn't indicate whether the litter will be good. The only thing it really indicates is that, as pups, someone got killed.

[gotap_d]

Pups that kill will NOT kill later on as adults. As someone who has raised numerous pups from various litters that killed a littermate, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that is not true. It doesn't indicate whether the litter will be good. The only thing it really indicates is that, as pups, someone got killed.

Frosty are you speaking of a litter of pups ganging up on and killing a smaller or weaker pup or are you talking about 1 pup that is on that if left with another pup will kill it?

[bstylekennels]

I think it does carry weight. I don't think it's a guarantee by no means but I do believe in percentages and more hot pups turn out to be good dogs be it box/brood or both than don't GRANTED he/she doesn't have an impatient/wreckless owner. I've seen it on my own yard and other fanciers yards. I feel a hot pup is like a hot head 16 yo athlete . They think they grown but they need maturing. There's been plenty young athletes on the professional level thought they were good but when they matured and listened to they "GOOD" coach they became great!

[FrostyPaws]

I think it does carry weight. I don't think it's a guarantee by no means but I do believe in percentages and more hot pups turn out to be good dogs be it box/brood or both than don't GRANTED he/she doesn't have an impatient/wreckless owner. I've seen it on my own yard and other fanciers yards. I feel a hot pup is like a hot head 16 yo athlete . They think they grown but they need maturing. There's been plenty young athletes on the professional level thought they were good but when they matured and listened to they "GOOD" coach they became great!

I don't think pups that act hot turn out to be better dogs personally, at least not strictly because they're hot. Two studs I had at one time always produced hot pups that grew into hot dogs. Another stud, I had at the same time, produced easy going pups all of the time. Pups that were easy enough you could leave them all in the pen for what seemed ages. They turned out to be completely opposite when grown. The hot pups, that turned into hot dogs, were hand over fist run off by the easy going pups that grew into easy going dogs. The difference simply was the one stud was a better producer than the other combined.

Genetics will determine such things.

[bstylekennels]

I don't think pups that act hot turn out to be better dogs personally, at least not strictly because they're hot. Two studs I had at one time always produced hot pups that grew into hot dogs. Another stud, I had at the same time, produced easy going pups all of the time. Pups that were easy enough you could leave them all in the pen for what seemed ages. They turned out to be completely opposite when grown. The hot pups, that turned into hot dogs, were hand over fist run off by the easy going pups that grew into easy going dogs. The difference simply was the one stud was a better producer than the other combined.

Genetics will determine such things.

Thanks for your interest in me frosty but it's unwanted. Why didn't you reply your feelings and emotions to the post? All I did was state my opinion on the subject just like you should've and not on my reply.

[FrostyPaws]

I'm talking about both, Gotap.