Breaking down a pedigree

[Abe]

Ok I know this is a site for game dogs and this a show line but I come here for a much better chance of learning every aspect of these dogs. So I'm looking at this breeding and I'm ape shit crazy for the female but just not as happy about the male. I like him but I'm hoping for more of the females drive and structure. So I'm asking for the pedigree experts to help me break this pedigree down and tell me what you would expect from such a tight line breeding with a small out.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=283497
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=393042
As much as it shouldn't matter I hate a dalutie color but he is correct and well driven Thanks everyone for the help

[R2L]

for you, hopefully another good show dog. when you break it down there's show dogs and more show dogs, lot of them go back to ofrn(hemphill/wilders), but i doubt they are much like them, not much to predict really.. maybe someone else can fill u in.

not saying shows dogs cant be, if you're looking for a very driven dog, imo best go for a more like working stock apbt.

[Officially Retired]

I would love to help, but unfortunately there is simply no way for me to break down a pedigree involving a collection of dogs I have never laid eyes on. I haven't even read about the dogs involved, nor do I know anyone who has them.

One thing I can tell you, though, it there is no "one" result that obtains from "tight breedings with a small out."

Everything (literally, everything) is all dependent upon selection. One such breeding may yield common results, another may yield horrible results, while still another may yield exemplary results. Thus, again, it all boils down to selection ... meaning which dog's you're using.

I wish I knew more about the dogs involved to provide better feedback, but I simply do not.

Jack

[Abe]

Jack thanks again once again you put things in away anyone can understand.

[QCKLime]

Dilute

A recessive mutation in the melanophilin (MLPH) gene was identified as the cause of color dilution phenotypes in the dog. Two alleles (variants) are described: the dominant full color (D) and the recessive dilute (d). Two copies of dilute are needed to lighten black pigment to grey (often called blue) and red pigment to cream (also called buff). A diagnostic DNA test identifies the specific variants of the MLPH gene.
Results from the DILUTE test are reported as:
D/D Full color, no dilute gene present
D/d Full color, carries 1 copy of the dilute gene
d/d Dilute, 2 copies of the dilute gene
Reference:
Drögemüller C, U. Philipp, B. Haase, A-R Günzel-Apel & T Leeb. A noncoding melanophilin gene (MLPH) SNP at the splice donor of exon 1 represents a candidate causal mutation for coat color dilution in dogs. Journal of Heredity 98(5):468-473 (2007).
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According to the previous, it's unlikely that your litter should have any dilute colored puppies, especially given the fact that it doesn't appear that he threw any dilute colored dogs out of a breeding to a similarly colored bitch. I didn't see any immediate relatives of the mother that LOOK to carry a dilute gene, so you're likely to get a lot of Chocolate colored babies. And, if the X Factor theory that's been discussed on here before holds water, puppies inherit many phyiscal characteristics from their mother rather than their father, so you may be in luck in that area as well -- though I think both of the parents are built beautifully.

As far as personality or drive, Jack covered all of that in his post. There's simply no way to know from looking at a pedigree.

[Abe]

Thank you I see what ur saying.

Dilute

A recessive mutation in the melanophilin (MLPH) gene was identified as the cause of color dilution phenotypes in the dog. Two alleles (variants) are described: the dominant full color (D) and the recessive dilute (d). Two copies of dilute are needed to lighten black pigment to grey (often called blue) and red pigment to cream (also called buff). A diagnostic DNA test identifies the specific variants of the MLPH gene.
Results from the DILUTE test are reported as:
D/D Full color, no dilute gene present
D/d Full color, carries 1 copy of the dilute gene
d/d Dilute, 2 copies of the dilute gene
Reference:
Drögemüller C, U. Philipp, B. Haase, A-R Günzel-Apel & T Leeb. A noncoding melanophilin gene (MLPH) SNP at the splice donor of exon 1 represents a candidate causal mutation for coat color dilution in dogs. Journal of Heredity 98(5):468-473 (2007).
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According to the previous, it's unlikely that your litter should have any dilute colored puppies, especially given the fact that it doesn't appear that he threw any dilute colored dogs out of a breeding to a similarly colored bitch. I didn't see any immediate relatives of the mother that LOOK to carry a dilute gene, so you're likely to get a lot of Chocolate colored babies. And, if the X Factor theory that's been discussed on here before holds water, puppies inherit many phyiscal characteristics from their mother rather than their father, so you may be in luck in that area as well -- though I think both of the parents are built beautifully.

As far as personality or drive, Jack covered all of that in his post. There's simply no way to know from looking at a pedigree.

[Abe]

Lol I feel like I just learned to speak Spanish I've been around this dogs for almost 20 yrs and learned more in 2 months then all that time combined.

[Officially Retired]

Lol I feel like I just learned to speak Spanish I've been around this dogs for almost 20 yrs and learned more in 2 months then all that time combined.

That is nice to hear, and I am glad you feel that way.

Reminds me of when Sugar Ray Leonard lost to the legendary Duran the first time ... but fought hard for the full 15 rounds ... Leonard said, "That was like a 5-year boxing lesson in one fight." ... and came back and whipped Duran

Jack

[STONEWALL]

Abe,

If you really like your bitch but not the dog don't breed to him. You can breed well conformed dogs with the drive you seek. It is called upgrading. Breed your bitch to a dog with the drive you're looking for. Move forward with the bitches that come from the breeding. The ones that have the conformation and the drive breed back to their sire for more drive. Repeat the process again and again. Selection is the key. What you put in is what you will get out.

[scratchin dog]

Since selection is so important, perhaps you can find a similar bred stud with more of the qualities you are looking for.