THE IMPORTANCE OF A BOND BETWEEN MAN & DOG (Yes / No)

[bolero]

the truth is frosty and jack are both right. we can all sit here and name kennels that have done both and been successfull. but i will say this i beleive those large kennels that simply feed clean and condition are successfull despite the no bonding due to the fact that they have an abundance of individuals to choose from whe u got 30 plus dogs and u are a good conditioner handler and breeder u are going to get some good ones no matter what but i am a firm beleiver in small yards having better quality and percentages 6 dogs max and friends with similar blood that also keep thaat much and u exchange dogs and breedings can be the best chpoice

[bolero]

the thing is this a dog that was never bonded with does not lknow anything else but once that dog gets that bond see who he choses to go with the man who did not bond or did not bond. example frosty sdaid thaat dogs caan change hands and do fine. well that could possibly be that the man who owned the dog did nothing witth them. then this dog switched hands and goes to a man who puts him through a keep and that is a very bog bond u spend months with this dog say in day out sometimes the dog stays in the house that is the onlybond that dog has and that dog prob feels very close to the conditioner now take that dog and put him in three different hands owner to conditioner to different handle that could fuck a dog up

[FrostyPaws]

Bolero, I'm going to sidetrack for a second in regards to quality. The size of one man's yard doesn't determine the quality of that yard. The MAN determines the quality regardless of yard size. While an individual with 30+ dogs does have a numbers advantage over a man of 6, that doesn't mean the man with 30+ dogs is going to keep sub part quality dogs simply because he has a larger yard. It doesn't mean the man with 6 dogs is going to have better dogs because the yard is smaller.

Quality is determined by the owner.

In regards to everything else, it's something that we will have to agree to disagree on.

[pig mad]

I cant see how you can have great success without a bond i have a mates dog here now that we are meant to use next year it had never even been for a walk i try to get it to play with a bit of hide and it runs away how am i meant to work with that i tried to bath it a week ago and it started doing backflips on the chain i locked it away out of fear it was gonna bite me this thing is a night mare to look after fair enough if another gets out same time its on and it gos well but bites you when you break em off its a cunt of a dog and i put it down to he done nothing but left it on chain for few years now im meant to help it win but being fully green myself i see nothing but a bad day coming in the near futur for both of us unless it starts to trust me..

[FrostyPaws]

Pig Mad, that has more to do with your mate being a shitty owner than any type of bond. There is a huge different between being a shitty owner of dogs and not bonding with every dog you own. I'm not big on bonding with dogs, as I've stated, but I don't have dogs like that. My young dogs will all work whatever apparatus I put them on. They're not shy of people, though some are wary of strangers. I treat my dogs with the care they deserve.

[bolero]

a man with thirty plus dogs simply does not have enough time in the day to exercise and spend time with each dog. not saying hee keeps dogs of a lesser quality what i meant was the yards u said u seen where the owners just throw food at the dog and have had great dogs i was saying they have great dogs due to share numbers and them being good dogmen. which is why bonding may not have an effect on these dogs

[FarmersChoice]

well i see people think that the bond means alot but no way like i said before to really determine a definitive answer it comes down to a matter of ones experiences like i said previously comes down to a matter of ones opinion at the end of the day feed what dogs you like spend what ever time you like with your dogs just because you see a method work for one individual doesnt mean that will work or wont work on the next do what works for you and sometimes better to keep that to yourself because in these dogs when u go seeking for opinions your gonna find alot them you may not agree with some might even offend you so if you think a bond is something detrimental top winning or having better dogs then more power to you .

[pig mad]

I know what your saying i do think he kept this dog wrong its like a wild dingo in temprement i sit out there for half hour each morning trying to gsin its trust or as i see it trying to bond with the dog i need it to want to hang out with me if that means im not a dogman cause i cant work a dog with out being mates with a dog or does that make me a dogman cause none of my dogs are like that who knows but i do know having a dog like this in my yard is a nuicanse...

[OGDOGG]

I cant see how you can have great success without a bond i have a mates dog here now that we are meant to use next year it had never even been for a walk i try to get it to play with a bit of hide and it runs away how am i meant to work with that i tried to bath it a week ago and it started doing backflips on the chain i locked it away out of fear it was gonna bite me this thing is a night mare to look after fair enough if another gets out same time its on and it gos well but bites you when you break em off its a cunt of a dog and i put it down to he done nothing but left it on chain for few years now im meant to help it win but being fully green myself i see nothing but a bad day coming in the near futur for both of us unless it starts to trust me..

Sounds like you got your hands full. I have a Champion dog on my yard that started out similar to that dog you're talking about. My old partner used to own her and he sent her to me at the start of her career, to work on her. She was the hardest dog to work with. She needed to trust that person to work with him. Well once she got cranked up she knew what she was born to do. Outside the box she got along with any dog but once you face her off she knew what time it was. That bitch is a stone cold killer and it didn't matter who had her she knew what her job was.
But like I said when she was young she needed that bond to get cranked up.
I have dogs that needs to bond to perform for me and dogs who could care less if there's a bond or not(all they care about is getting fed) it doesn't hurt to create a bond though. But I think as long as I keep them in top health and treat them right, that's a good enough bond. I shouldn't have to sleep with them for them to perform better. They will quit when they face an ace or they will die trying. Either way it's all part of the game and there's no right or wrong answer. That's why I chose the middle

[pig mad]

Yeah she knows her job thats for sure hopefully she turns out good as yours did..