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  1. #11
    Thanks for the info I'll try to keep y'all updated on her progress

  2. #12
    get yourself a four wheeler and find some trails nothing wiill beat that not a cat mill a treadmill or a flirt runninn hills up and down on uneven ground will hit every muscle there is personally a treadmill is only needed for bad weather or when you are working multiple dogs dont get me wrong mills are great but are absolutely not necessary

  3. #13
    i put out a live trap and get a real animal at the end of the flirt pole. have not seen one turn away from that ever!

  4. #14
    ive learn that it does not hurt to give your dog a rest from time to time and focus more on flirting. in my opinion i feel that the mouth tends to get sore and it needs time heal. and the flirt keeps him on that hide also you can play tug of war. i have had a dog go sleep on it and a couple days later wouldn't touch it

  5. #15
    Agreed. That goes with lots of things. Too much of most things is a bad thing. Too much treadmill, flirtpole. worm medicine, antibiotics, (we can all fill in the blank). Too much of anything can lead to problems. EWO

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by grindhard View Post
    ive learn that it does not hurt to give your dog a rest from time to time and focus more on flirting. in my opinion i feel that the mouth tends to get sore and it needs time heal. and the flirt keeps him on that hide also you can play tug of war. i have had a dog go sleep on it and a couple days later wouldn't touch it

    I may ruffle a few feathers with this post. But almost all dogs are in better shape off the chain than in the show. Quite simply, most over train thier animals and should bring the mill, jenny, or springpole to the show, cause that's where they left the dog. Most people are too stupid to recognize when the dogs muscle has no ATP, when it needs rest. If I had to start over again, I'd rest every other day. New performance tests show sled dogs have more endurance and are stronger when rested every other day. Furthermore, specific to spring pole... Teeth become loose from gum line, so you should never work more than 20 min, and never where the back legs aren't on the ground. Furthermore, no mouth work 17 days before show date, or you'll be picking up your teeth from the square.

  7. #17
    I did not care to work one on the hide due to loosening up the teeth. Just run them back and forth on that long loose playing cable run with a pulling harness and wanted all feet on the ground. I had the ground nice and soft to not hurt the pads.

    It was to wind them and help build tensile strength, but done only in spurts with walking. I too believe in the resting every other day if you are going to work the hell out of them in each workout. I had read where Mayfield worked his dogs up to 6 or 8 hours on the Jenny Mill.

    So I figured I could get at least 4 hours out of my dog. I had this dog that would work his heart out for you. By Golly I got him up to a four hour run on my 80 foot long Jenny. Last week and into the rest days. Poor dog had went stale and dry. Could not protect himself after 20 minutes into the dog pull. He would have been much better off the chain than what I did to him.

    Overtime I learned if you have a good strong dog with good natural air. You do not have to work them to death's door to get one in shape. If you are not real sure of what to do. Best stick with a spread out twice a day or three times a day fast hand walking and some reasonable round table work. Was the safest approach for me.

    If one has the time a good walking dog that can get in up to 10 to 15 miles of walking a day ( Not all at one time). Will be in pretty good shape. So will you. LOL That is what makes working a dog not so easy. It takes time and not being in a hurry. One can correct the little problems as they show up. Sure as Murphy's Law is all ways in effect. Some something will pop up, hope it is not lameness or a torn foot pad.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by CYJ View Post
    I did not care to work one on the hide due to loosening up the teeth. Just run them back and forth on that long loose playing cable run with a pulling harness and wanted all feet on the ground. I had the ground nice and soft to not hurt the pads.

    It was to wind them and help build tensile strength, but done only in spurts with walking. I too believe in the resting every other day if you are going to work the hell out of them in each workout. I had read where Mayfield worked his dogs up to 6 or 8 hours on the Jenny Mill.

    So I figured I could get at least 4 hours out of my dog. I had this dog that would work his heart out for you. By Golly I got him up to a four hour run on my 80 foot long Jenny. Last week and into the rest days. Poor dog had went stale and dry. Could not protect himself after 20 minutes into the dog pull. He would have been much better off the chain than what I did to him.

    Overtime I learned if you have a good strong dog with good natural air. You do not have to work them to death's door to get one in shape. If you are not real sure of what to do. Best stick with a spread out twice a day or three times a day fast hand walking and some reasonable round table work. Was the safest approach for me.

    If one has the time a good walking dog that can get in up to 10 to 15 miles of walking a day ( Not all at one time). Will be in pretty good shape. So will you. LOL That is what makes working a dog not so easy. It takes time and not being in a hurry. One can correct the little problems as they show up. Sure as Murphy's Law is all ways in effect. Some something will pop up, hope it is not lameness or a torn foot pad.
    I agree with almost everything, except for the handwalking part. Nowadays, you need more endurance and to get the heart rate up to a faster rate. The jenny Isbthere best workout period, (my opinion) but not just a jenny, one with a counterweight and a Hyde. Only let em work the Hyde for 20 minutes, where they stop, shake, pull, push, then start running again. In my opinion, it's the closest thing to the real thing, and results speak louder than words. Gr. Ch. Machobuck traveled 24 hours twice, ch. Xena, gr. Ch. Hannah, ch. Dingo, all traveling and winning. Jenny rocked.. Well rested, never more than two hours in a day, and that was at peak

  9. #19
    Ditto the jenny is the best way long as the weather is good. That can be said for walking as well. Some of the Dog men had extra big barns etc. to put a Jenny inside out of the weather. When the weather was good did use my Jenny every chance I got. But not no four hours. LOL

    So it was a mixture of what the dog worked the over all best. I had a well built tread mill, 16 foot round table inside a large building along with the Jenny and Cable run outside. I never worked many dogs due to the type job I had. A few did O.K. on the others best to have stayed home.

    I let V. Jackson handle 99.9% of it because he was much better at it and had the time. Not counting one hell of a set up to Road work a dog with plenty of young marines to help him. Lot of what I have mentioned on here is what I learned by watching what V.J. did. P. Powell of Termite Fame was helped along by V. Jackson. Both were in the Marines and stationed on the same Base. V.J. was a Supply Staff Sargent and Powell was a DI Staff Sargent.

  10. #20
    I did see that video were this fellow had a long counter balanced Jenny. Had it set up were the dog was running and holding a hide type thing in his mouth off and on. Dog was working and breathing through sides of mouth and nose. Looked to be in great shape.

    I said to myself boy I would hate to go into that dog with that type conditioning. A dog like that can go at you none stop for a good while if it does not get hurt early.

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