We have some hit or miss encounters with the blood. We had a 50/50 Colby/Heinzl cross. Sire was from JB Click and dam was from Louis Colby. They were very unstable mentally. Very standoff-ish, didn't like people. We gave them the minimum, looked and they were currs. Now, I know those boys in Oklahoma crossed the Heinzl blood to Redboy/Jocko/Eli stuff and had fantastic results! I have this gyp around, she's a fiery little pup.. Deaf though.
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what dogs was your 50/50 cross off?Originally Posted by ToTheDogs
How old are these dogs and how are they bred? One thing you do not want is a man shy or weird acting Heinzl dog, pass on those. Heinzl's older strain up to the Gringo dogs that I knew of were good calm dogs. How they panned out I do not know.
They should be well built with deep chest capacity. The percentage on that strain is low today. Your choice of a cross might be to a good Bolio strain with some Anderson Tonka in there. That Apostle dog of Matt's may be a good cross. Even Gambler's Virgil with Ozzie Steven's Virgil strain might nick. If any of these fellows still have any dogs.
The Heinzl line is a hard line to nick with other blood lines. In the 70's and 80's you only saw about a 1/4 to a 1/8 used. Heinzl like Jack mentioned on another topic may have gone soft in his later years and not culled seriously enough. Beginning of the end of a strain is when the paper breeding begins and no culling is done.
I do not know this to be the absolute facts about Mr. Heinzl in his older age. Just seems to appear that way. No one blood line lasts forever. Things are constantly changing.
I blew it with my Heinzl - Coplin dogs by not listening to Mr. Coplin. He did not want me to keep inbreeding them. The best cross I made with them was the Red Bill - Corvino breeding off the Mayfield's Snake dog. Some of the Mayfield Sunshine cross was good but not like the Mayfield Snake cross. Mayfield did not let us do any line breeding back to Snake or Sunshine.
Could only do half brother/Sister breedings. Which I did not like as much. It is what it is sometimes. Do the best you can and hope for the best when culling time begins.
So if anyone of these Heinzl dogs turns out real good for you. Start looking for a good out cross. Good luck.
Saw a good one off the Stryker dog with a touch of voyles little john
Are the Ch designations in your dog's pedigree conformation? (That's how they're entered.)
CH = Champion athlete, while Ch = Champion conformation, which I assume you know, but was just wanting to be sure.
Thanks,
Didnt know that.....
Evo, I saw a lot of dogs bred around Stryker and the Little John blood, and most of them weren't any good either sadly. When Fiarris originally went to AZ and got those Heinzl dogs, I think he originally came back with 10. Stryker was the only dog worth owning. He was a match quality dog, but a spooky dog also. Jim bred him to a lot of Little John dogs he owned, and even then, it was very hard to get a dog worth owning from that particular type of breeding. All the Heinzl type dogs I had originated from Stryker or dogs bred similarly to the cross you saw, and none of them were any good. Before Jim died, he told me that getting Stryker and doing that particular cross turned out to be one of the few mistakes he thought he'd made in his time breeding dogs.
Well, they saved the good one for me cause the one that ch. Xena beat crawled and belly flopped to take hold. A true dead game dog
I don't doubt there was the odd dog here and there that could do what was needed, but that was the bad thing. It was the odd dog here and there. When the breeder of those dogs called his plan a mistake, that confirms what I'd already thought.
The flopping while crossing came from the Little John side of things.
From what I've heard Heinzl was a guy who kept to himself just as the gents who still maintain the blood are today. There are good and bad from every line.
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