Tosa inu vs gamedogs

[will888]

Yes i asked to myself many times!!!
And i Found out that pitbull is pound for pound the best at all !!!
But tell me how many dogs you know that are 30 kg conditioned...
Some lonzo... Some neblet... But a 30 kg match pitbull is a Short full of blood match that can least 20 minutes because one of the two is seriously wounded!!!!

In Balkans there is Amor's Skar that won a match in 7 hours!!!
But do you think the opponent of him had the same mouth of Eli, bullyson or Pit general or gr ch Art?

In story gr ch Art, General, Eli were stolen because freack of nature...

But some people are too concentrate to gameness!!!!
Ok it's the base but if my dog in 7 hours don't kill nothing in the 4X 4 ... He has a cat mouth!!!

So in Balkans dear ELIMAN dogman call Eli line the cur line!!!
But for me they are out of head!!! For me Eli is the true warrior package!
They have mouth, and the will to finish and know were bite to do damage!!!

But if in the Balkans a show least 10 minutes for them is a cur show!!!

Hey believe me i love pitbull... But this sport push the man to select the 15-20 kg!!!
Not because 15-20 kg are the best!!!
If not why dogman refuse the fight if the opponent is only 300 g heavyer?

And would you put in a pit an hard mouth 20 kg pitbull vs an hard mouth 30 kg conditioned pitbull?

If not why??

Tell me how many 30 kg do you have and how many 15-20 kg do you have ...

I think in a kennel of 10 dog you have 8-9 of 15-20 kg...

It's not a provocation!!!
It's only to make you think on this and ask you why...

Thanks for your replyes

[R2L]

this discussion is sophomoric, at best, and retarded at worst.

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[waccamaw]

Years ago people had what they called catch wght dogs ,if you called catch wght you could be hunting. A 57 lb dog with a 100 lb dog catch wght simply meant big dog against big dog no certain wght wght called other than catch wght ,so if the tosa ,mastiff ,bullmastiff are such heavier mouth and could have it done in 10 min don't y'all think alot of those dogs would have been used against the pit ,and win ,we'll it did not happen so this must tell you something about the mouth of the pit plus how many have seen 60 plus pound pits ,if you have they can really close their mouth such as big John .mayday ,and all the others .

[will888]

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Don't tell this shit !!! You sure don't know the truth!!!

I'm telling you the pitbull is the best !!!
27-30 kg is a total package of speed, agility and power!!!

I know!!!

I'm retarded???!?!?
Why?

Because i'm asking you about this?

I soon told you gr ch Tito won over a Tosa!!!

But i also saw Tosa won over pitbulls...

For me the truth is this:

MONEY!!!!

When a kennel challenge an other kennel or when 10 pitbull dogman ask for a match against any tosa the truth come out!!!

And i hope pitbull dogman win!!!

In some place from est there are tosa kennel in big numbers...

So over there there is the possibility to face off !!!

Not in America...

Stratton it's ok, but they push hard the selection for cajun rules...

If a dogman try to contract a match with a tosa dogman and he refuses... That mean that the Tosa is not enought for a pitbull!!!

[R2L]

Im not saying you are retarded but the discussion tends to it.

Like jack said.
[quote ... some individuals will bite harder than other individuals ... and that is it.[/quote]
And some tosu's could win over pitbulls and some not.

I don't think any serious dogman would contract his dog with a tosu. So it makes me wonder what quality the dogs were that matched into them. I wouldnt think it had any value when mine would win over one. Just a stupid risk of harming a dog in its prime which could spend its time training for the real deal.

[waccamaw]

In Japan dogs are carefully bred and trained and the game is conducted under strict rules and accompanied by holy rituals and processions. The dog fights among Tosa's should never be cruel or bloody and they never end with the death of one of the participants. On the contrary, the fights are designed to last long and, contrary to pit dog fights, a dog that goes for a fast and easy victory, is not considered a good specimen. Similar to Sumo wrestling, the dogs try to bring and hold each other down on the floor. If he dominates for more than 3 min. (or 5 min. if the fight lasted for more than 15 min.) he is declared the winner. A whining or growling dog is declared the loser. The same goes for a dog that turns its hind to the opponent or moves back three steps when attacked. The fight ends in any case after 30 min. in a nil draw if neither of the dogs has proved superior to the other. Unlike most other fighting dog breeds, the original Tosa is conscious of the symbolic value of the fight and it respects the rules of the game and its opponents.
Like sumo wrestlers, the dogs are graded into a hierarchy according to the points they have recently earned. The greatest Tosa "wrestlers" receive the title of Yokozuna, like the famous sumo's.

[will888]

Im not saying you are retarded but the discussion tends to it.

Like jack said.
[quote ... some individuals will bite harder than other individuals ... and that is it.

And some tosu's could win over pitbulls and some not.

I don't think any serious dogman would contract his dog with a tosu. So it makes me wonder what quality the dogs were that matched into them. I wouldnt think it had any value when mine would win over one. Just a stupid risk of harming a dog in its prime which could spend its time training for the real deal.[/QUOTE]

Sorry i don't understand well...

Is it a risck for a pitbull because he could be seriously wounded or because he could learn to fight in a Bad way?


And i know in Japan fight is stricly related with sumo and religion.

But out of that race they started to select dogs in base a more realistic fight...

But mine are only words...

I don 't know if there are match between the two breed...
And to conclude this argouments whe have to put the 30 best pitbull 30 kg vs the 30 best Tosas ...

I will try to find out more info about this...

Sure in Corea APBT is not at the same level of usa or Mexico pitbulls...
This is sure!!!

Thanks to all for your info

[evolutionkennels]

In Japan dogs are carefully bred and trained and the game is conducted under strict rules and accompanied by holy rituals and processions. The dog fights among Tosa's should never be cruel or bloody and they never end with the death of one of the participants. On the contrary, the fights are designed to last long and, contrary to pit dog fights, a dog that goes for a fast and easy victory, is not considered a good specimen. Similar to Sumo wrestling, the dogs try to bring and hold each other down on the floor. If he dominates for more than 3 min. (or 5 min. if the fight lasted for more than 15 min.) he is declared the winner. A whining or growling dog is declared the loser. The same goes for a dog that turns its hind to the opponent or moves back three steps when attacked. The fight ends in any case after 30 min. in a nil draw if neither of the dogs has proved superior to the other. Unlike most other fighting dog breeds, the original Tosa is conscious of the symbolic value of the fight and it respects the rules of the game and its opponents.
Like sumo wrestlers, the dogs are graded into a hierarchy according to their e points they have recently earned. The greatest Tosa "wrestlers" receive the title of Yokozuna, like the famous sumo's.

100% True, well said wacc, finally some enlightenment. I'll add this, and to argue against is an uphill battle. GR. CH. MAYDAY OR CH. BIG JOHN AGAINST AN EQUAL WEIGHT TOSA WITH WHATEVER TITLE WONT LAST 15 MINUTES CAJUN RULES. FURTHERMORE , AT THE SAME WEIGHT, WITH TOSA RULES..... SAME RESULT. LASTLY A 60 POUND PIT AGAINST A 100 POUND TOSA WITH TOSA RULES, THE TOSA IS MORE LIKELY TO WIN BECAUSE OF WEIGHT ADVANTAGE. PERIOD

[BlackHeartWarrior]

I've seen pit bulls in schoolings what could not even puncture the skin i also know of a 4xw what has barely left a puncture wound on all his opponents. I feel jacks opinion is correct because i have seen it with my own eyes

[waccamaw]

You ever heard of pressure biters ,some dogs don't leave holes due to the shape of the teeth or the skin of the other animal and some just cant bite .just like all are not game .but that is not the average bulldog.a pressure bite is one that seems like he is not doing anything and the next thing you know something is dead ,or the next day swollen beyond belief
.kinda like it takes less pressure to push a knife blade through you than it does the handle.