Battle of the builds

[CYJ]

There is a type of fighting style that can really mess up a head dog's game or about any other style. This is a dog that when the head dog grabs it. Does not chase or run after the head dog. Stands in the middle of pit and grabs the head or under near the throat or side of jaw muscle. Or go mouth to mouth.

This dog then will fall on it's back, drive it's legs forcefully up into the guts and underneath chest. Like a wild cat fights off the bottom. The top dog has all this weight dragging it's head down. All it can do is push the other dog around and try and bite down into the bottom dog. Getting it's nose and mouth severely chewed.

This type of dog when sensing the other dog is getting weak or losing it's hold and going for it's legs etc., will with fast moves be back up on it's feet driving into the guts, chest, backend, or deep into the lower chest.

This style fighting dog is very rare and seldom seen. They are smart bottom fighters that love the head, throat and nose and much more. Do not burn themselves out needlessly and conserve themselves for the long haul if needed. JMHO.

[Pit Bull Committed]

Poncho's sister Missy had a long body ...

But I prefer a perfectly square body like his daughter Screamer had: perfect balance:

And Screamer's daughter Jezebel (bred back to Poncho) was the fastest, smartest, slickest, most athletic bitch I have ever owned:

A total athlete if there ever was one ..

Jack

Jack, do you have a side view of her?

[Pit Bull Committed]

The 3 different body type I like!


9 month old gyp.


9 month old gyp.


14 month old male.

All are in their chain weight/condition.

Box style don't really matter to me. What matters the most is that the dog of whatever style better be GREAT at their style. For example...A GREAT chest dog can put away a good head dog and vice versa. Like the great Ch Robert T was able to stop many "good" ch and Gr ch dogs...but he lost to a "GREAT" killer dog Ch Ninja. Yes, Ch Robert T finally lost at 9 years old...with that said, his head style was probably not as good as it use to be and that's exactly my point. Style don't matter too much to me... The dog just has to be GREAT at its style.

[wrknapbt]

I've watched this post for a second now and I gotta say that one thing I noticed is that a lot of the dogs that people like have really nice rear angulation which is a big point deduction in the ADBA ring. It is a know fact that these animals work from their rear to balance and drive into the other and it the dog is too straight it will tear a ncl or most that are too straight have slipping hocks that do not allow them to push from the rear as they should be able to do. I will also say that over the last 3 or more years I've seen the bone come back into the dogs. But CA Jack you said something that many people probably missed. BALANCE is the key. I like the way this girl was built. Normally female run a tad bit longer than males but this bitch is very square and balanced.

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Jack, do you have a side view of her?

Yes, click her picture.

[Officially Retired]

I've watched this post for a second now and I gotta say that one thing I noticed is that a lot of the dogs that people like have really nice rear angulation which is a big point deduction in the ADBA ring. It is a know fact that these animals work from their rear to balance and drive into the other and it the dog is too straight it will tear a ncl or most that are too straight have slipping hocks that do not allow them to push from the rear as they should be able to do. I will also say that over the last 3 or more years I've seen the bone come back into the dogs. But CA Jack you said something that many people probably missed. BALANCE is the key. I like the way this girl was built. Normally female run a tad bit longer than males but this bitch is very square and balanced.

Good morning, and yes, that is why I liked her build also: it was balanced.

I also do not like most of the "show builds" that are being pumped up right now ... as most of the conformation winners I see these days look like NON-durable dogs ... that would fall apart to a true combat dog in the trenches.

I don't like too lanky of a dog. I like good bone and a good hide also. A dog with "carpet" for skin, as it were.

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Like the great Ch Robert T was able to stop many "good" ch and Gr ch dogs...but he lost to a "GREAT" killer dog Ch Ninja. Yes, Ch Robert T finally lost at 9 years old...with that said, his head style was probably not as good as it use to be and that's exactly my point. Style don't matter too much to me... The dog just has to be GREAT at its style.
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Um, Robert T's being 9 years old, and 9 fights-tired, had more to do with his losing than Ch Ninja's being the better dog. That and the fact Robert T broke his jaw in the first :10 ... old age = brittle bones ... and yet he still went 1:10 before he lost.

That is like singing the praises of Leon Spinks for beating an old, shopworn Muhammad Ali ... rather than having the sense to realize that Leon Spinks was A PIECE OF SHIT compared to a prime Ali

Jack

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There is a type of fighting style that can really mess up a head dog's game or about any other style. This is a dog that when the head dog grabs it. Does not chase or run after the head dog. Stands in the middle of pit and grabs the head or under near the throat or side of jaw muscle. Or go mouth to mouth.
This dog then will fall on it's back, drive it's legs forcefully up into the guts and underneath chest. Like a wild cat fights off the bottom. The top dog has all this weight dragging it's head down. All it can do is push the other dog around and try and bite down into the bottom dog. Getting it's nose and mouth severely chewed.
This type of dog when sensing the other dog is getting weak or losing it's hold and going for it's legs etc., will with fast moves be back up on it's feet driving into the guts, chest, backend, or deep into the lower chest.
This style fighting dog is very rare and seldom seen. They are smart bottom fighters that love the head, throat and nose and much more. Do not burn themselves out needlessly and conserve themselves for the long haul if needed. JMHO.

That depends on the head dog. The only way what you describe could happen is for the head dog to still be in front of the other dog. Which isn't really a true head dog to me.

A truly great head dog typically is PERPENDICULAR to the other dog, like a T, DEEP in the ear or side of the face, so there is no way what you describe is going to happen.

That said, Poncho would do exactly what you described, if a palooka dog happened to get on his head or his ear, but NOT be at an angle to him (as above). The dogs I am thinking about had Poncho's ear, but were still in front of him, and Poncho would turn his free ear toward the floor, and get an angle up under the other dog's jaw muscle/throat, and just root-in there. He would also take the bottom, like you describe, and just relax and "stand up" on the other side of the dog, twisting its head in an awkward kinda way.

I saw him do that once or twice, but the other dogs weren't really "head dogs" -- they were just dumb dogs that tried to get feeble head holds. A truly good head dog pretty much has his opponent from the side, DEEP on the ear or head, and the opponent is pretty much biting nothing but AIR.

Jack

[EGK]

Pit bull Committed those are nice and what I myself like too. Dogs with Legs, strong build, good bone density, athletic, and square.

[skipper]

Nice post, and thanks for the compliments. I wish I had Missy all over again. Her son Silverback was a pretty good-looking dog also. The only dog I have left, Amazon, is a granddaughter of 2 of my 3 best bitches, Missy and Jezebel (Jezebel herself being a daughter of Screamer). Amazon therefore has strong, matriarchal heritage ... and is not a bad-looking bitch either:

She has kindof a longish look in some angles, with a "high back end" like Evo mentioned ... and yet the classic "square" look of a true Poncho dog (that I like to see) in others.

Of key importance to me, structure-wise, is that Amazon also has a lonng, thick, powerful neck and heavy shoulders ... which are great for a head dog like she's born to be ... as well as for really rooting into the throat as I hope she turns out to be. A truly good head dog is STRONG and stops a dog in its tracks with its powerful head-hold ... and is hard to get to because of its long, thick, powerful neck ... itself anchored into a set of powerful shoulders.

I've not touched Amazon yet, and she's coming up on 3 years old, and is entering the prime of her life.

She certainly is bred to kick ass ... and she is also built to kick ass ... and I have little doubt she will ... if/when I ever decide to see for sure.

Those are fairly old photos and she looks even more powerful now ...

Jack

Amazon is a beautiful bitch. Well taken care of to.