While Researching The Thought Came Up, When Buying Bulldogs With The Intention On Building Does It Matter whether Or Not The Source Is A Breeder or Active Dog Man.
While Researching The Thought Came Up, When Buying Bulldogs With The Intention On Building Does It Matter whether Or Not The Source Is A Breeder or Active Dog Man.
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First of all, thanks to CYJ for the kudos.Originally Posted by EarlyBird
Second, everything matters if the evidence is there.
I am not quite sure what you meant by, "When Buying Bulldogs With The Intention On Building." Do you mean with the intention of building a yard?
It is your own intention that matters, ultimately. (Perhaps you can clarify your question.)
Jack
PS: Most "Active Dogmen" get their best dogs from good breeders, so that is where I would go to get mine.
I Bought The Book, I'm Just Curious To See What others Think CYJ. As Far As The Building Part Jack Yes Building A yard. Thanks..
my gutfeeling would say both
cause ultimately neither the dogger nor the breeder are complete
the one who can combine both and be succesfull for a period of time is the one I would get dogs from
So who could give me a list of 5 good breeders who are not active dogman. Who are modern day's CA JACK's?
And who on this board has built his yard around dogs that came of a breeder, who was no active dogman.
Just curious.
I think what really matters is your steps after acquiring the dogs.
I disagree.
Historically-speaking, the best dogs in history 99% come from breeders exclusively--or from people who bred two dogs together purchased directly from breeders exclusively.
The rare dogman who can BOTH show dogs exceptionally well, and breed dogs exceptionally well, will never sell you his best dogs: he will keep them for himself.
You are almost guaranteed to get a "less than" dog from a competitive breeder/dogman, whose own money is riding on what he keeps
The legit breeder doesn't need to have conditioning experience to know what to look for in a dog, nor especially on how to reliably and consistently produce good dogs.
More importantly, a legit breeder (aside from having THE most experience breeding good dogs) will also sell you the best dogs he has, for the right price, because he wants his best stuff to get shown
Jack
I've built my yard around a son of Deacon, whose breeder wasn't active in matching or showing of dogs.
Before that dog, my yard was built around dogs from a breeder that showed one dog his entire time in dogs, and he made that dog a champion. So the ability to get quality dogs from quality breeders is there. You don't have to be a man that matches dogs to know what good dogs are or have the ability to breed quality dogs.
I think factoring in what the active dog man is breeding is a must. If he is active within the same family of dogs, breeding for the traits he desires from within that close/somewhat close family then that is a pretty good option. On the other hand if he is a dog man solely concerned with winning on show night, has really good dogs from multiple families, and then breeds best to best the percentages will be lower. Maybe to break it down further than the two choices, for the active man I would prefer he was successful with one family, if that makes sense.
EWO
in a sense of buying a grown dog yesI disagree.
Historically-speaking, the best dogs in history 99% come from breeders exclusively--or from people who bred two dogs together purchased directly from breeders exclusively.
The rare dogman who can BOTH show dogs exceptionally well, and breed dogs exceptionally well, will never sell you his best dogs: he will keep them for himself.
You are almost guaranteed to get a "less than" dog from a competitive breeder/dogman, whose own money is riding on what he keeps
The legit breeder doesn't need to have conditioning experience to know what to look for in a dog, nor especially on how to reliably and consistently produce good dogs.
More importantly, a legit breeder (aside from having THE most experience breeding good dogs) will also sell you the best dogs he has, for the right price, because he wants his best stuff to get shown
Jack
but for pups I dont see how one can determine which puppy is the best
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