Originally Posted by bulldoghistorian
Funny story coming ... stay tuned
Funny story coming ... stay tuned
Okay, when I interviewed Hardcore Kennels back in 2000, we discussed a lot of subjects, including breeding of course.
Big Mike told me he did NOT like inbreeding either, just like you, and pointed out his many accomplishments (ROMs, Ch's, etc.) using his 3-ways crosses.
However, at the time, despite a fabulous career, Mike lamented that had never produced a single Grand Champion yet ... and how he had always come up short, even with great dogs.
Well, it also happened to be the time he was campaigning Ch Nine Milli ... who eventually became Gr Ch Nine Milli DOY ... and I pointed out to Mike that (ahem) Nine Milli was an inbred aunt/nephew breeding (Redman and Felony were littermates)
Just sayin'
Jack
PS: You will almost invariably notice that the best dogs in the world are either inbred, or based off of inbred dogs. Almost without exception.
spoke to him once , someone referred him to me on raw feeding during the keepOkay, when I interviewed Hardcore Kennels back in 2000, we discussed a lot of subjects, including breeding of course.
Big Mike told me he did NOT like inbreeding either, just like you, and pointed out his many accomplishments (ROMs, Ch's, etc.) using his 3-ways crosses.
However, at the time, despite a fabulous career, Mike lamented that had never produced a single Grand Champion yet ... and how he had always come up short, even with great dogs.
Well, it also happened to be the time he was campaigning Ch Nine Milli ... who eventually became Gr Ch Nine Milli DOY ... and I pointed out to Mike that (ahem) Nine Milli was an inbred aunt/nephew breeding (Redman and Felony were littermates)
Just sayin'
Jack
PS: You will almost invariably notice that the best dogs in the world are either inbred, or based off of inbred dogs. Almost without exception.
he sounded like a true competitor
send me a thank you note and a pic of the dog after he won , dog looked stunning
his record is amazing
PS I never had a rom dog either but came damn close once 2 failed reaching their championship , just needed one more point
who knows maybe one day
You have to agree with that, and great point on their first grch was with that auntie/nephew breeding! Time has shown us, the breeding of auntie/nephew and uncle/niece is when you really get to see a line root itself! Also that breeding way sometimes has a better out come then a father/daughter or mother/son breeding!
Bottom line is Hardcore started with a solid family of bulldogs! Maybe someone can tell us why it is that when you do that inbreeding there " if done with a solid family behind them" is when all the magic happens!
Now i pose the same question to all, Do you do a inbreeding on two very game bums who are outta a very solid family of chest dogs? Both bums are a all over dumb if you will game gotta snuff them out type. If i breed these two bums together will i get what the line is know for or will i have more crazy all over game bums?
Jack your line is know to be tuff head dogs, but now you have a very tuff fight your toe dog and have a niece to this male who is very tuff but all she wants is the left leg. Is it a gamble or based on their family backing you pretty much know that your going to get a Head hunter?
I have read your other post on the matter so i know what your answer will be,but for those that have not gotten around to reading some of the older post
Rage, that's way too many variables to answer. Frosty Paws was dumber than a box of hammers. I've had dogs off him just like that, but like him, they didn't reproduce that particular ignorance when bred. If I have 2 game bums off Frosty, will I breed them? Without a doubt. I've bred 2 quality dogs off Frosty and gotten bums like him, but that's the price of doing business at times. While, in the long run, breeding those types of dogs will give me more like that, it will also continue to nail down the type of gameness that I want my dogs to be based around. I don't make particular breedings for match dogs. If I get those, that's great. Even when I get match quality dogs, I don't always want, or need, to match them. They are dogs I throw back in my program to continue breeding. Not only do they have the gameness I want, but they also have the match qualities I want in a dog, so I'm effectively killing two birds with one stone.
What I hear, at times, is how do I know if they're match dogs? They may not win vs another man's dog. Once a person has been successful for a certain amount of years, they tend to know what quality dogs are for the most part. Those guys don't have to match every quality dog they have to know it's a quality dog. They've been around quality dogs long enough to know what that looks like when it pops up. The best dog I've ever owned, and one of the best I've ever SEEN, was never matched once. Now, probably given it all over to do again, maybe I would've matched her instead of trying to get pups from her. Doesn't really matter at this point, but I saw her do things in such a way that I'd never seen another dog do in all my years with dogs.
The point is that over time, the more you select for one type of animal, the more you'll get that type of animal. Always try to remember that and you'll be fine if you stick with it.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=42401 this is a fastlane dog he gets it done ,
Thanks for sharing but I don't believe a pedigree can determine whether a dog is fast lane or not. Please do share details if you don't mind? :-)
This is gold. Thank you for the post.
Yep.
For years (decades, now) I've heard nay-sayers say that because "I" don't match dogs that my dogs "can't be" fast lane ... and for every single one of those years, bar none, I have bred better dogs and produced dogs that BEAT "dog fighters' dogs" time and again, almost 9-1.
I simply know what winning traits are, how to maintain them in a family of dogs, and can see if they're there or not in practice with each individual in each successive generation.
By contrast, most people never stick with anything long enough to get to know it, master it, and so are forever playing "guessing games" with their random and pointless breeding decisions.
This is absolutely the truth.
And it is especially the truth if you stick with the same family (or winning combo), and select from individuals know to have (and produce) those traits.
Breeding to "a dog" with some traits you like (with a spotty background for them) is a rougher deal ... but breeding to yet another individual with these traits, full of similar dogs in his litter, and in his background, makes getting "the kind of dogs you want" a cinch.
I used to say, "I could produce better dogs from an accidental kennel breeding in my sleep than what MOST people produce traveling, paying stud fees, and mixing bloodlines," ... and, yeah, it was kinda funny to say ... but I wasn't joking.
Jack
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